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Old Fri, Feb-11-05, 18:32
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That's identical to our listing:

http://forum.lowcarber.org/myplan.p...9038&do=details

Basic Data
Energy 289 kcal
Energy 1206 kj
Carbohydrate, by difference 14.95 g
Sugars, total 0.52 g
Fiber, total dietary 11.8 g
Starch 0.19 g
Sucrose 0.10 g
Glucose (dextrose) 0.14 g
Fructose 0.14 g
Lactose 0.00 g
Maltose 0.00 g
Galactose 0.14 g
Protein 3.39 g
Total lipid (fat) 26.66 g
Cholesterol 0 mg
Fatty acids, total saturated 3.678 g
Fatty acids, total monounsaturated 16.952 g
Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated 3.142 g
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Old Fri, Feb-11-05, 18:41
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Plan: Atkins
Stats: 250/196/165 Female 67"
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Okay, they all are basically the same. (Of course, Atkins still says we can take 5 or those 7.5 carbs off our count....)

Why have the PECC category on 'My P.L.A.N.' if the CARB and PECC columns are going to be the same?
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Old Fri, Feb-11-05, 18:56
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Okay, they all are basically the same. (Of course, Atkins still says we can take 5 or those 7.5 carbs off our count....)

Why have the PECC category on 'My P.L.A.N.' if the CARB and PECC columns are going to be the same?


Because some companies don't subtract the fiber, and if the tool finds the fiber has not been already subtracted, it will reflect that in the PECC

This is only a small subset of the entries that has that.

Wa'il
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Old Fri, Feb-11-05, 19:16
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Alrighty then!

Thank you ever so much for spending so much time and energy with this. It is truly appreciated!!!


Donna/dstartz
Wondering if we could have a fiber column so we know how much we're getting in our diet....
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Old Tue, Feb-15-05, 07:48
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This kinda freaks me out, I mean, it looks like everything I've been eating already has had the fiber deducted, and I've been re-deducting it. Also, most of my LC products that claim to be so low carb, already have deducted the fiber and are blatently lying on their packaging that they didn't. To stay at 20 carbs, my my veggie intake needs to be cut dramatically..
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Old Tue, Feb-15-05, 08:57
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Well, the situation is bad, but not that bad.

The problem is that some subtract fiber, and some don't. There's no easy way to find out if it's one way or the other.

However, I've been researching this issue in depth, and might have found a way to narrow down the uncertainty.

Stay tuned, there will be a new thread with the new findings, and an update to our database.

Wa'il
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Old Thu, Feb-17-05, 12:52
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Plan: Atkins/PP Maint, IF24/24
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According to the USDA site (ASCII file of the nutrient definition file http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodco...sc/NUTR_DEF.txt ), they use the CHOCDF method of carbohydrate measurement, which is the following, and does not subtract fiber.

CHOCDF> Total carbohydrate by difference, calculated as 100g minus the sum of grams of water, protein, fat, alcohol and ash

These are the different methods:

<CHOCDF> Total carbohydrate by difference, calculated as 100g minus the sum of grams of water, protein, fat, alcohol and ash

<CHOCSM> Total carbohydrate calculated by summation of analytical values of free sugars, dextrin, oligosaccharides, starch, glycogen

<CHOAVLDF> Available carbohydrate by difference, calculated as 100g minus the sum of grams of water, protein, fat, fibre, alcohol and ash

<CHOAVL> Available carbohydrate, calculated by summation of analytical values of free sugars, dextrin, oligosaccharides, starch, glycogen

<CHOAVLM> Available carbohydrate expressed as monosaccharide equivalent
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Old Thu, Feb-17-05, 12:59
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Okay, never mind. I got a reply in another thread which answered this question. Thanks to Wa'il.

Here is the thread that explains it, for anyone who comes along and has the same question.

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=234348
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Old Thu, Feb-17-05, 13:22
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According to the USDA site (ASCII file of the nutrient definition file http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodco...sc/NUTR_DEF.txt ), they use the CHOCDF method of carbohydrate measurement, which is the following, and does not subtract fiber.

CHOCDF> Total carbohydrate by difference, calculated as 100g minus the sum of grams of water, protein, fat, alcohol and ash

These are the different methods:

<CHOCDF> Total carbohydrate by difference, calculated as 100g minus the sum of grams of water, protein, fat, alcohol and ash

<CHOCSM> Total carbohydrate calculated by summation of analytical values of free sugars, dextrin, oligosaccharides, starch, glycogen

<CHOAVLDF> Available carbohydrate by difference, calculated as 100g minus the sum of grams of water, protein, fat, fibre, alcohol and ash

<CHOAVL> Available carbohydrate, calculated by summation of analytical values of free sugars, dextrin, oligosaccharides, starch, glycogen

<CHOAVLM> Available carbohydrate expressed as monosaccharide equivalent


Note that these methods are further explained on pages 8-9 of the "Composition of Foods Raw, Processed, Prepared USDA National Nutrient Database for Standard Reference, Release 17", where it explictly staes that label are allowed to use any of these two formulas:

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For formulated foods, calorie values (source codes 8 or 9; for more information on source codes, see p. 24) generally reflect industry practices (as permitted by NLEA) of calculating calories from 4-4-9 calories per gram of protein, carbohydrate, and fat, respectively, or from 4-4-9 calories per gram of protein, carbohydrate minus insoluble fiber, and fat. The latter method is often used for high-fiber foods.


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