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Old Tue, Feb-22-22, 08:50
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Default Eating veggies won't protect your heart

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/21/heal...-wellness/index

What was interesting to me was not the study itself but the reactions from the experts. They just rejected it because it went against their personal belief. If the study had said that eating red meat won't protect your heat then they would have agreed with the study.
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I liked the quote from the author “Instead, our analyses show that the seemingly protective effect of vegetable intake against CVD risk is very likely to be accounted for by bias … related to differences in socioeconomic situation and lifestyle”; he could have added the bias of the critics.

One said more fibre results in weight loss and weight loss lightens the CVD risk. But that would be true of any diet that causes weight loss, including LC, keto & carnivore.

I'm a UK descendant and many of my relatives have problems with diverticulosis and other gut issues that are aggravated by extra fibre & vegetables. I prefer a happy gut and don't believe that everyone is adapted to living on animal fodder.
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Eating veggies, especially cooked ones, doesn’t reduce your risk of heart disease over time.

“Our large study did not find evidence for a protective effect of vegetable intake on the occurrence of CVD (cardiovascular disease),” said Qi Feng, an epidemiologist at the Nuffield Department of Population Health at the University of Oxford, in a statement.

While the study found eating raw veggies could protect against heart disease, cooked vegetables did not. Any benefit went away when researchers factored in lifestyle factors such as physical activity, educational level, smoking, drinking, fruit intake, red and processed meat consumption, and use of mineral and vitamin supplements.


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People were asked at the beginning of the study how many raw and cooked vegetables they ate, and then followed for over 10 years to see if they developed heart disease.

On average, people in the UK study reported eating an average of 5 tablespoons of vegetables each day – that’s only 71 grams or one-third of a cup. About 2.5 tablespoons were raw vegetables, the other three were cooked.

“That’s so little,” said Dr. Andrew Freeman, co-chair of the American College of Cardiology’s Nutrition and Lifestyle Work Group.

Dietary guidelines in the UK call for five portions of fruits and veggies a day, with each portion being about 80 grams (1 cup), for a total of 5 cups a day.

In the US, dietary guidelines are more specific, recommending most adults eat at least 1.5 to 2 cups of fruit and 2 to 3 cups of vegetables each day as part of a healthy diet. Translating cups into tablespoons, a healthy intake of vegetables would include up to 48 tablespoons of veggies each day.




If the recommended amount of fruits and veggies is 5-ish cups/day, and the population is only averaging around 5 Tbsp daily, then surely some are getting 5 cups (vegans and vegetarians are surely eating that much), but there's also some who had little to no veggies.

And yet apparently even the ones eating 5 cups or more daily aren't any more well protected from CVD than the ones only eating 5 Tbsp.



Or am I reading this completely wrong?
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Oh and this is something to consider too:

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Gunter Kuhnle, a professor of nutrition at the University of Reading in the UK, also pointed to the impact of alternate food choices.

People who don’t eat vegetables need to eat something else – and when estimating the health effect of eating vegetables it is important to consider what they replace,” Kuhnle said in a statement.


Yes, it would be nice if they told us what they're eating instead of bushels of veggies.
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