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Old Mon, Jul-23-07, 11:56
Sk8trSandy Sk8trSandy is offline
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Default I Need Lower Cholesterol in 2 Months

Hi everyone, I had a hysterectomy in May 2007. My pre-op blood work showed my total cholesterol at 240. The Dr. is giving me until September to get my diet/health in order and have my cholesterol lower or he will have me start a statin. I refuse to take medication for a condition that I know I can control via diet/exercise. When I lose weight, my cholesterol has always gone down and the reverse is true. Is it realistic to think that staying LC for 9 weeks will lower my cholesterol at all?

Any advise is appreciated. Sandy
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Old Mon, Jul-23-07, 12:54
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Welcome Sandy,

I recommend waiting 6 months before having the blood chemisty retest. There can be a short term rise in blood cholesterol levels when weight loss begins. It takes a while for the body to fully adjust.
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Old Mon, Jul-23-07, 12:57
Sk8trSandy Sk8trSandy is offline
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Thanks Mike. I was wondering if that could happen. I will put the doctor off for a while. =)
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Old Mon, Jul-23-07, 13:12
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The Dr. is giving me until September to get my diet/health in order and have my cholesterol lower or he will have me start a statin.


I hope that you will re-read this statement objectively. Your Dr. cannot "give" you until September to lower your cholesterol, and he cannot "have you" start a statin. You make the choice to show up when he says to, and he can write the Rx, but the choice is ultimately yours to make.

You didn't mention what your other numbers are. I would be interested to know, as the total cholesterol is only a small part of the overall picture.

And, no I would not expect significant improvement in any parameter except triglycrides and blood glucose in 9 weeks. I would give it at least 6 months. Then take ALL the bloodwork into consideration before making a decision to take a statin.

Just my .02 Of course you do what you feel is best!
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Old Mon, Jul-23-07, 14:03
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Good advice. They gave me 3 mo to lower mine LDL = 131 Total 206 -- I don't plan on doing anything different except eat more fish. I already use flax and walnuts daily. Most Doc's are quick to prescribe statins for sure. I think total cholesterol can vary quite a bit from one day to the next.

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Old Mon, Jul-23-07, 14:10
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Flaxseed oil is terrific in lowering cholesterol - works like a charm. The higher the mg the better!
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Old Mon, Jul-23-07, 14:55
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This is an interesting post and I'm glad I found it. Last Friday I had bloodwork done and today I get a call from my doctor today telling me he wants to see me becuase my cholesterol is elevated.

This bums me out as I've been on Atkins for 2 months and lost 21 pounds. I have been taking flaxseed oil and fish oil tablets everyday for about 30 days now as I was scared doing Atkins that my cholesterol would rise...I tried started back in January but again went to the doctor and bloodwork revealed high cholesterol...stopped the diet and went back 2 weeks later and cholesterol was back to normal.

I'm not gonna give up on this WOE as I need to continue to lose weight and while my progress is veeerrrrrrrrrry slow, the fact remains that I am losing.

I have an appt. to go see him on Friday, July 31st...hopefully he won't want to put me on any meds...if so, I'll just tell him I want to wait another month and have them re-check it again. If cholesterol levels can vary maybe he caught me on bad day.
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Old Mon, Jul-23-07, 15:01
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Read through this blog: http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com and try the supplements he recommends. Also, you've got to give low carb diets at least 3 months to help you out.
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Old Mon, Jul-23-07, 15:28
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Your cholesterol will probably read high if you are actively losing fat, particularly your LDL.
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Old Mon, Jul-23-07, 20:06
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Originally Posted by ElleH
I hope that you will re-read this statement objectively. Your Dr. cannot "give" you until September to lower your cholesterol, and he cannot "have you" start a statin. You make the choice to show up when he says to, and he can write the Rx, but the choice is ultimately yours to make.

You didn't mention what your other numbers are. I would be interested to know, as the total cholesterol is only a small part of the overall picture.

And, no I would not expect significant improvement in any parameter except triglycrides and blood glucose in 9 weeks. I would give it at least 6 months. Then take ALL the bloodwork into consideration before making a decision to take a statin.

Just my .02 Of course you do what you feel is best!

Well said ElleH.

My 2 cents. Don't worry about it. Total cholesterol is meaningless by itself. No matter how they try, there really is no evidence that total cholesterol has anything to do with heart disease....or LDL for that matter.

Triglycerides have been implicated in the past and recent research is making people take a second look. But this is for levels after eating, not fasting. Seems that the more it goes up after a meals is indicative of your risk....of course they don't mention what people ate....and of course they are really grasping for straws!!

High HDL is good, low triglycerides are good. You can increase HDl and lower triglycerides following a low carb diet. Large fluffy LDL, found with lower carb intake, is probably beneficial and small dense LDL, found with high carb intake, are probably bad. Otherwise I think it's all meaningless.

Before you allow your doc to "make you" take a statin, check out the research. Dr Mike has posted on inflammation (http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=804) and other things that are more likely to be the culprit. Also check out the side effects of statins, and at least know what to watch for. CoQ10 should always be taken with statins.

Oh yea...research also apparently indicates that women benefit from higher cholesterol levels, especially as we age. And statins appear to show no benefit in preventative treatment, and in women with or without vessel disease.

Recently I read a comment from one of the sites I check from time to time. Could have been Mercola, Briffa, who knows. I'm paraphrasing here:

"If cholesterol circulating in my blood is the cause of heart disease, then why don't smaller arteries in other parts of the body build up plaque? And why only arteries, and not veins? and why aren't capillaries blocked up?"
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Old Mon, Jul-23-07, 22:30
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Beans and whole grains remove cholesterol from the digestive tract. Go with a small serving of slow cooking oatmeal. Another food to include is tree nuts (e.g. almonds, walnuts), about 1 oz per day. Ground flax seed, 1 tbsp per day. I am not a huge fan of grains but the effectiveness of oatmeal for lowering cholesterol is well documented.

Powerful antioxidants should help. Have a crucifer cooked, and raw every day. They are also good for preventing cancer.

Losing weight helps cholesterol overall. Exercise helps lower LDL.

If you are really serious about lowering cholesterol go vegan (with nuts, not low fat) and watch it crash.

And have cooked and raw crucifers regardless. Can't stress the importance of that enough.
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Old Tue, Jul-24-07, 08:26
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Ugh, don't eat grains unless you want to take statins too.

http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/search?q=wheat
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Old Tue, Jul-24-07, 08:28
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http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2...heat-belly.html
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Monday, July 23, 2007
Wheat belly

You've heard of "beer bellies," the protuberant, sagging abdomen of someone who drinks excessive quantities of beer.

How about "wheat belly"?

That's the same protuberant, sagging abdomen that develops when you overindulge in processed wheat products like pretzels, crackers, breads, waffles, pancakes, breakfast cereals and pasta.



(By the way, this image, borrowed from the wonderful people at Wikipedia, is that of a teenager, who supplied a photo of himself.)

It represents the excessive visceral fat that laces the intestines and triggers a drop in HDL, rise in triglycerides, inflames small LDL particles, C-reactive protein, raises blood sugar, raises blood pressure, creates poor insulin responsiveness, etc.

How common is it? Just look around you and you'll quickly recognize it in dozens or hundreds of people in the next few minutes. It's everywhere.

Wheat bellies are created and propagated by the sea of mis-information that is delivered to your door every day by food manufacturers. It's the same campaign of mis-information that caused the wife of a patient of mine who was in the hospital (one of my rare hospitalizations) to balk in disbelief when I told her that her husband's 18 lb weight gain over the past 6 months was due to the Shredded Wheat Cereal for breakfast, turkey sandwiches for lunch, and whole wheat pasta for dinner.

"But that's what they told us to eat after Dan left the hospital after his last stent!"

Dan, at 260 lbs with a typical wheat belly, had small LDL, low HDL, high triglycerides, etc.

I hold the food companies responsible for this state of affairs, selling foods that are clearly causing enormous weight gain nationwide. Unfortunately, the idiocy that emits from Nabisco, Kraft, and Post (AKA Philip Morris); General Mills; Kelloggs; and their kind is aided and abetted by organizations like the American Heart Association, with the AHA stamp of approval on Cocoa Puffs, Cookie Crisp Cereal, and Berry Kix; and the American Diabetes Association, whose number one corporate sponsor is Cadbury Schweppes, the biggest soft drink and candy manufacturer in the world.

As I've said many times before, if you don't believe it, try this experiment: Eliminate all forms of wheat for a 4 week period--no breakfast cereals, no breads of any sort, no pasta, no crackers, no pretzels, etc. Instead, increase your vegetables, healthy oils, lean proteins (raw nuts, seeds, lean red meats, chicken, fish, turkey, eggs, Egg Beaters, low-fat yogurt and cottage cheese), fruits. Of course, avoid fruit drinks, candy, and other garbage foods, even if they're wheat-free.

Most people will report that a cloud has been lifted from their brains. Thinking is clearer, you have more energy, you don't poop out in the afternoon, you sleep more deeply, some rashes disappear. You will also notice that hunger ratchets down substantially. Most people lose the insatiable hunger pangs that occur 2-3 hours after a wheat-containing meal. Instead, hunger is a soft signal that gently prods you that it's time to consider eating again.

You will also make considerable gains towards gaining control over your risk for heart disease and your heart scan score, a crucial step in the Track Your Plaque program.
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Old Tue, Jul-24-07, 16:52
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Yeah , no grains as Nancy says..and forget the raw crucifers as well,, they can inhibit thyroid function and make it that much harder to process cholesterol.

Always steam your veggies..always
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Old Tue, Jul-24-07, 18:31
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RE grains
http://jama.highwire.org/cgi/content/abstract/290/4/502

Effects of a Dietary Portfolio of Cholesterol-Lowering Foods vs Lovastatin on Serum Lipids and C-Reactive Protein
David J. A. Jenkins, MD; Cyril W. C. Kendall, PhD; Augustine Marchie, BSc; Dorothea A. Faulkner, PhD; Julia M. W. Wong, RD; Russell de Souza, RD; Azadeh Emam, BSc; Tina L. Parker, RD; Edward Vidgen, BSc; Karen G. Lapsley, DSc; Elke A. Trautwein, PhD; Robert G. Josse, MB, BS; Lawrence A. Leiter, MD; Philip W. Connelly, PhD


JAMA. 2003;290:502-510.

Context To enhance the effectiveness of diet in lowering cholesterol, recommendations of the Adult Treatment Panel III of the National Cholesterol Education Program emphasize diets low in saturated fat together with plant sterols and viscous fibers, and the American Heart Association supports the use of soy protein and nuts.

Objective To determine whether a diet containing all of these recommended food components leads to cholesterol reduction comparable with that of 3-hydroxy-3-methylglutaryl coenzyme A reductase inhibitors (statins).

Design Randomized controlled trial conducted between October and December 2002.

Setting and Participants Forty-six healthy, hyperlipidemic adults (25 men and 21 postmenopausal women) with a mean (SE) age of 59 (1) years and body mass index of 27.6 (0.5), recruited from a Canadian hospital-affiliated nutrition research center and the community.

Interventions Participants were randomly assigned to undergo 1 of 3 interventions on an outpatient basis for 1 month: a diet very low in saturated fat, based on milled whole-wheat cereals and low-fat dairy foods (n = 16; control); the same diet plus lovastatin, 20 mg/d (n = 14); or a diet high in plant sterols (1.0 g/1000 kcal), soy protein (21.4 g/1000 kcal), viscous fibers (9.8 g/1000 kcal), and almonds (14 g/1000 kcal) (n = 16; dietary portfolio).

Main Outcome Measures Lipid and C-reactive protein levels, obtained from fasting blood samples; blood pressure; and body weight; measured at weeks 0, 2, and 4 and compared among the 3 treatment groups.

Results The control, statin, and dietary portfolio groups had mean (SE) decreases in low-density lipoprotein cholesterol of 8.0% (2.1%) (P = .002), 30.9% (3.6%) (P<.001), and 28.6% (3.2%) (P<.001), respectively. Respective reductions in C-reactive protein were 10.0% (8.6%) (P = .27), 33.3% (8.3%) (P = .002), and 28.2% (10.8%) (P = .02). The significant reductions in the statin and dietary portfolio groups were all significantly different from changes in the control group. There were no significant differences in efficacy between the statin and dietary portfolio treatments.

Conclusion In this study, diversifying cholesterol-lowering components in the same dietary portfolio increased the effectiveness of diet as a treatment of hypercholesterolemia.

----> The diet, which included whole grains ("viscous fibre") and plant sterols gave results comparable to a statin. Jenkins et al get a lot of results like this. Personally I don't eat grains more than once weekly but I get results anyway.
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