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Old Sun, Oct-03-04, 06:29
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OK,

I have been eating like a caveman for the exactly one month now.

1) absolutely no bread or grains - zero
2) no milkproducts
3) no potatoes

I feel great but my hair is falling out like crazy. I am really scared. I googled and searched the forum. Apparently there are lots of people with the same problem.
All people say is that this was normal and that any diet would cause this. They say it might be temporary.

I eat 2 eggs every day, one kind of meat, one kind of fish and lots of vegetables and fruits. Also lots of nuts and only drink noncarbonated minetal water.

But I am too scared to sratch my head. I searched the net for "hair loss". On several homepages doctors said, that loosing up to 100 hairs/day was normal.

But I think in my case it must me more like 500.

There must be something in dairy, bread or potatoes that I am lacking now.
I am really scared. Because I am not "dieting" to loose weight. I don't have a gram of fat on my body. Just kidding but my stomach is absolutely flat. I want to make this a lifestyle but already get scared after one month because of this hair loss phenomenon.

Has anybody info based on research ?
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Old Sun, Oct-03-04, 07:11
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I just read this article and it scares me.

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For men, balding process can be slowed down by taking a low-fat diet. Some scientists postulate that the male pattern baldness is tied to increased testosterone levels during puberty. A high-fat, meat-based diet raises testosterone levels, and that may adversely affect hair follicles. For example, in Japan, male pattern baldness was very rare prior to World War II when the diet was lean and healthy. The Japanese now consume a more fatty, Westernized diet. Baldness is now increasing substantially among Japanese men. Eating low-fat foods may not stop hair loss; but it might help slow down the hair loss.


And another source

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Old Sun, Oct-03-04, 12:41
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Quote: Some scientists postulate that the male pattern baldness is tied to increased testosterone levels during puberty.

Are you going through puberty? I got the impression you were much older!

Baldness may be increasing in Japan but so is their height. Japanese people are much taller than they use to be because they are eating sufficient protein and calcium now. Maybe the men just didn't have the right nutrition to make enough testosterone then!

Baldness may be associated with the absence of lysine; an essential amino acid. Vegetarians who do not eat eggs sometimes suffer premature hair loss...but you are eating eggs so it's not that.

If you are losing from the usual places - your crown and receding at the front the hairloss is probably genetic and you're just due to lose your hair. If it is all over, it could be dietary.

I have heard of people losing hair after going on diets before. It ususally grows back. If you look around this site you will find posts on it.

The only sure cure for male balding is castration by the way...I'm sure you don't want to go that far!!!

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P.S. I've just been reading up on what is required for healthy hair. It looks like protein is the most important thing. I think your body is just getting used to a better diet and your hair will grow back. Massaging the scalp to increase the blood flow to the hair roots will help. Don't be afraid if it seems to cause more hairs to drop out - you'd have lost them anyway.

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Old Sun, Oct-03-04, 16:22
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Hair loss that results from stress (emotional or dietary) usually takes at least 3 months to appear. So....what were you eating like 3 months ago?

http://www.follicle.com/section2/5.html
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Old Mon, Oct-04-04, 14:43
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I went from one extreme to the other.
Before one month ago I was ONLY eating whole grain bread. It constituted like 60% of my diet. At that time I was reading lots of articles and they all said that whole grain bread was the healthiest you could eat. So I went crazy. I ate Müsli, etc like crazy.

But ever since I stopped eating grain and milk I don't have stomach pain anymore and can sleep much better.

I read that there are some few people that can not digest grains. I might be one of them. But I am not sure if it is the milk or the grains.

There is one really important question I would like to have answered. I love beer. Do I have to quit that,too? Please say "no".

And one other thing. Please don't laugh, but I am not as horny any more.
I used to spend hours and hours watching naked women and porn on the internet when I ate tons of grains. I was really an addiction. I had problems with my girlfriend because of this. I just couldn't stop. Sometimes until 4 in the morning. Downloading whatever I could. The first thing after work was checking for updates. Now I only get horny when I look at a site not just thinking about it. I feel much more freedom now. I know this sounds very sick and pathetic but maybe somebody else had the same experience? Please tell me and be honest. I believe the change of diet has a great impact on the hormones.

I read the lots of carbs increases the insulin level and some igf factor 1 which produces lots of male hormones. I wonder if that can be the reason.

Does a low testosterone level make you loose hair or a high one ?
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I went from one extreme to the other.
Before one month ago I was ONLY eating whole grain bread. It constituted like 60% of my diet. At that time I was reading lots of articles and they all said that whole grain bread was the healthiest you could eat. So I went crazy. I ate Müsli, etc like crazy.

But ever since I stopped eating grain and milk I don't have stomach pain anymore and can sleep much better.

I read that there are some few people that can not digest grains. I might be one of them. But I am not sure if it is the milk or the grains.

There is one really important question I would like to have answered. I love beer. Do I have to quit that,too? Please say "no".

And one other thing. Please don't laugh, but I am not as horny any more.
I used to spend hours and hours watching naked women and porn on the internet when I ate tons of grains. I was really an addiction. I had problems with my girlfriend because of this. I just couldn't stop. Sometimes until 4 in the morning. Downloading whatever I could. The first thing after work was checking for updates. Now I only get horny when I look at a site not just thinking about it. I feel much more freedom now. I know this sounds very sick and pathetic but maybe somebody else had the same experience? Please tell me and be honest. I believe the change of diet has a great impact on the hormones.

I read the lots of carbs increases the insulin level and some igf factor 1 which produces lots of male hormones. I wonder if that can be the reason.

Does a low testosterone level make you loose hair or a high one ?



Well, starting at the beginning. Your body has undergone quite a shock so this could explain the losing the hair. If this is so, it will grow back.

You aren't trying to slim, so if beer didn't make you fat before I don't see why it should now. It's not really caveman but what the heck - rules are made to be bent. You might like to try low carb beers. A note; you might get drunk easier on low carb so either watch it or eat something with carbs ie fruit, before drinking.

The good news is that lower testosterone means less hair loss. Women have one fifth of the testosterone than men and they don't go bald (hence my joke about castration!) My libedo (sp) has dropped a little on low carb but not as much as to make much difference to my love life.

It sounds to me that you are already benefiting from the health benefits of low carbing and you could start posting in other parts of the board now - not just the war zone. You'd be made very welcome - especially after your baptism by fire here!

Good luck,
Robert
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Old Wed, Oct-06-04, 05:41
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. Do I have to quit that,too? Please say "no".

.....And one other thing. Please don't laugh, but I am not as horny any more....


I've been curious about this too. I've often read that men think about sex x times a millisecond... and admittedly it did always seem to be a big part of the male experience. I've been seriously low carbing for over two years now and during that time I seem to think about it less and less. The funny thing is, it's not actually happening any less, but when it does happen it's much better sex. Seems to be a similar process to the food thing. I hardly ever think about food now unless I'm genuinely hungry, but when I do get around to preparing and eating a meal or a snack the whole experience seems to be much more enjoyable. I think it's something to do with having had a perpetual mild sense of blood sugar panic when carbs ruled my appetite. Now it's a kind of detachment from the whole hunger rollercoaster.
It's a truly remarkable sensation because I can still vividly remember what I used to feel like before. I guess that memory will fade with time. Because every day still seems distinctly better in all the criteria that I use to judge my well being, I never feel the urge to carb 'cheat'. I feel so lucky in this respect.

And I wouldn't worry about the hair loss. I think it's a real mistake to try to avoid even touching your scalp for fear of dislodging a few more survivors. I'd massage it as often as you can. Gently at first, but working up to a regular vigorous brush. And get inverted as often as you can. It will feel strange at first. All the blood vessels in your head will benefit, including all the capillaries which feed your hair follicles. After a week you'll hardly even feel the blood rush to your head.

Btw. think how much time and money you'll save by ditching the porn sites.
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Originally Posted by Healthman
I went from one extreme to the other.
Before one month ago I was ONLY eating whole grain bread. It constituted like 60% of my diet. At that time I was reading lots of articles and they all said that whole grain bread was the healthiest you could eat. So I went crazy. I ate Müsli, etc like crazy.

But ever since I stopped eating grain and milk I don't have stomach pain anymore and can sleep much better.

I read that there are some few people that can not digest grains. I might be one of them. But I am not sure if it is the milk or the grains.

There is one really important question I would like to have answered. I love beer. Do I have to quit that,too? Please say "no".

And one other thing. Please don't laugh, but I am not as horny any more.
I used to spend hours and hours watching naked women and porn on the internet when I ate tons of grains. I was really an addiction. I had problems with my girlfriend because of this. I just couldn't stop. Sometimes until 4 in the morning. Downloading whatever I could. The first thing after work was checking for updates. Now I only get horny when I look at a site not just thinking about it. I feel much more freedom now. I know this sounds very sick and pathetic but maybe somebody else had the same experience? Please tell me and be honest. I believe the change of diet has a great impact on the hormones.

I read the lots of carbs increases the insulin level and some igf factor 1 which produces lots of male hormones. I wonder if that can be the reason.

Does a low testosterone level make you loose hair or a high one ?


The metabolic pathway which involves sugar/insulin also some how affects testosterone production. I'm not science savvy so I won't get into the details, I just know that eating lots of carbs has been shown to artificially inflate testosterone levels. I know that in women who are insulin resistant and/or eating very high carb diets, this can sometimes cause PCOS (androgenizing syndrome which causes infertility). I have PCOS personally, and let me just say I am certain my testosterone levels dropped significantly since starting this WOE .

Also about the grains, you are probably dead right they are giving you indigestion. I used to have all kinds of unmentionable problems digesting that stuff... it never even occurred to me that LC made it go away until I had a slice of birthday cake a few days ago. That was an uncomfortable smelly evening
I personally tolerate dairy very well, with no problems at all, however for you personally milk might be a problem. For me, I don't do very well digesting starch.
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Old Thu, Dec-23-04, 11:50
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Just throwing in some observations here. My husband notices a direct link to performance/desire and red meat. If he does not eat meat besides the sandwich stuff or maybe some ground things in lasagne at work throughout the week his libido is ...well... I'm not a happy wife. When he eats a lot of meat, he thinks about sex more often and his actual physical performance increases 100 fold. He won't eat raw meat, but he's also noticed that it is only undercooked meat which has this effect. Pot roasts and stews don't do it. It's got to be the steak or rare roast beef. Needless to say that I now make a large roast on weekends for him to eat throughout the week And I don't dip into it myself, lol.

Hours and hours on the internet watching porn... it may be enjoyable but it's probably not very reasonable or productive, and I can't see it being a bad thing that you do not crave this "addiction," as you call it.

Do you exercise? A lot of men report feelings of arousal after particularly hard leg workouts. My husband also has a much higher libido when he exercises regularly. Intense exercise in particular, when done properly, can enhance a man's testosterone levels. You dont' need the hours of porn surfing to feel like a man (btw. I'm not anti porn, just going for common sense here)
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Old Thu, Dec-23-04, 12:45
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Biotin is one of the B-vitamins to support healthy hair grow. If you can't tolerate dairy and wheat, try Biotin supplement.
http://health.allrefer.com/health/p...in-sources.html
I've too noticed that low carb makes me shed more hair in general, so I've researched it and it looks like too much grease (animal fat) in deit can be a problem in addition to low dairy intake, so I've just added plain yougurt and cottage cheese to my diet, flax seed oil and eat much less saturated fat. Some hair vitamins can be helpfull, like Hair Essentials, Viviscal, Hair, Skin and Nail, also topical like Revivogen, Nisim shampoo, etc. Good luck,
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And I wouldn't worry about the hair loss. I think it's a real mistake to try to avoid even touching your scalp for fear of dislodging a few more survivors. I'd massage it as often as you can. Gently at first, but working up to a regular vigorous brush. And get inverted as often as you can. It will feel strange at first. All the blood vessels in your head will benefit, including all the capillaries which feed your hair follicles. After a week you'll hardly even feel the blood rush to your head.
It's a common misconseption that you need to rub your scalp and brush your hair to make them stronger, especially vigorous brushing .You will get a completely opposite effect Brushing scratches scalp and damages already wheak hair folicles. The less your touch your hair, then better, especially if hair loss is a concern.
My DH has never brushes his hair, just washes, towel dries them, and styles with his fingers. He's in his 40s and still has a full head of hair. He also never uses harsh shampoo either, just a very mild soap
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Old Thu, Dec-23-04, 12:59
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Misconception that people who eat a lot of meat get heart attacks.
Michael:
What about iron overload and heart attack connection? It's only about fats, iron plays major role too, especially combined with a high level of vit. C .
http://www.icakusa.com/healthcaps/p.../ironheart.html
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While I won't argue that grassfed beef is better for us than grain fed beef (better omega 3 to 6 ratio) and I'd like to note that grass fed beef is available for purchase, I'm curious on what you base the assertion that a diet that is 65% meat and 35% other would kill us in no time? Links? Resources? Can I also point out that a diet that was 65% meat and 35% other would not be 65% protein since meat also contains a certain percentage of fat and not all meats supply the same grams of protein per ounce.
I hope this article will help. I had the same point all along.
http://www.swedish.org/16546.cfm
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