Yikes. That's my kid to a "T". He's 17 months old. And I wouldn't even take bets that he would ever go for the sugar either. He has eaten about three cookies in his life.

When he's hungry he says: "meat", "ham", "cheese".....no kidding. He'll eat toast, a few crackers, or a spaghetti strand once in a while, for sport I think. (McDonald's fries, he might eat every day though, if offered!) Veggies are sneaked in with some creativity. Cereal was a no-go from day one and every day after.

When he goes to daycare, I pack him a big meaty lunch. If the menu there was full of regular foods like pancakes, sandwiches, spaghetti...the kid would starve. I still give him formula in his sippy cups to try to cover any missing nutrients.

Interesting.

I am eternally grateful to Dr. Atkins for his work in popularizing low carb in such a way that it reached many people who might not have otherwise tried it. While I also don't agree with everything he said about a minimum requirement for vegetables (and exercise for that matter) I recognize that the inclusion of these things in his diet may have helped more people - like myself - accept the low-carb WOE long enough to discover for themselves deeper nutritional wisdom. We see this in many people on this board - many of us who are lifetime ketogenic dieters, who, if we include vegetables in our diet it is out of preference than necessity, who have eliminated processed foods and even made raw meat and other animal products a staple in our diets.

I also approve of the basic respect for his readers that came out in Atkins' writing style - a bit over-enthusiastic at times but never condescending. Yes, his message could be perceived to be watered down if one is looking to find fault with it. But careful reading of his work and application of the principles he taught reveals the deeper wisdom.

Wyv

Yes, indeed. Here's some links that explain the process step by step:
http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/glycol.html

http://www.chemistryquestion.com/En...fat_energy.html

Goat rocks! I'm not one for very gamey meats, but Goat is sweeter than beef IMO. My only problem is how to properly prepare it because otherwise it's very chewy. Trust me people, go out and find a slab of goat now...you won't regret it.

ok Rob, I'll go and get me some!
Again, thank you Bear for all the info. I have been reading on the Artic Expedition and the Eskimo diet, and I am working my way thru the other articles you suggested. Gosh, why did I not find all this information years ago!
In 1993, I was diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and in 1998, I was suffering from mercury poisoning. I was unable to work and spent years bed-ridden. I have wasted so many years searching for a cure. I spent a fortune on supplements trying desperately to recover my health. I just read, in one of the articles you suggested, that 'Eating protein and fat while avoiding carbohydrates induces the production of the hormone glucagon which is the best way to prevent chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia. Eating carbohydrates like sugar, honey, grains, starches and fruit causes these problems.' Had I read that ten years ago, I would not have lost my job and my life as I knew it. I know it serves no purpose to go there, but I am so mad right now at all these doctors who told me that there was nothing I could do to help myself, when the answer was as simple as nutrition!

I HAVE TO VENT...

My 17 yr old son is on Atkins with my husband and I. My son was put in a psychiatric hospital for almost a month in September because of a major manic episode, which included hallucinations, delusions, and going after my hubby with a knife. While there he was diagnosed with Schizo-Affective Disorder (a combo of Schizophrenia and Bipolar Disorder). Anyways, since that time he has been on anti-psychotic meds and mood stablizers. BOTH the meds he is on are appetite stimulants and cause his brain to think he is constantly hungry!!! He was very UNDER weight when all this started. In september he weighed only 125 lbs. (he is 5' 10"). He gained 60 lbs over the past 6 mos due to these meds because he eats like 24 hours a day! So he got up to 185 lbs and is now OVER weight! Anyways, his psychiatrist suggested putting him on a low carb diet. He lost 5 lbs his first week on Atkins and 3 lbs his second week. (Ok, now that I've caught you up to speed...on to my RANT)
I am divorced from his father (remarried now to my present hubby). Anyways....his father who has barely been much of a father all these years and sees the kid once every few months has SOME NERVE!! Today my son went to work with his dad. I called over there just now to see when he was coming home and to make sure that his dad had low carb food available to feed him for dinner! His Dad tells me "I think this diet you have him on is horrible, its just not HEALTHY!!" I told him "Well his Psychiatrist is the one who suggested him eating low carb!" And he says "Well ya, i know, but i just think he was eating a bunch of junk food and thats why he gained so much weight, and he just needs to eat healthy and not be on a DIET!" And i said..."Are you aware that he gained 60 lbs in 6 months? Do you think THAT is HEALTHY??" He says "No, its not, but look at the crap he was eating, he just needs to eat HEALTHY" ARGHHHH! I said "He eats 24 hours a day! he is on TWO medications that make him think he is starving! He's still eating JUST AS MUCH food only hes eating low carb foods so instead of continuing to GAIN he has LOST 8 lbs in the past 2 weeks...There is NO other way of eating that he could eat as much as he eats and still lose weight!!!!" He could tell i was getting annoyed so finally he goes "Ya, well I'm just telling you that i think he is eating crap!!" I just wanted to jump through the phone and strangle him, because he knows NOTHING whatsoever about low carb eating!! He hasnt paid a penny of child support in numerous years! MY HUSBAND pays all the freaking hospital bills and for all the medications!! And HE has the nerve to try and tell me how my son should eat and act like i am a moron for feeding him what i am feeding him!! I didn't have the time or the patience to give him the entire low down on low carb eating, but i am thinking of getting some articles together and mailing them to him....lol...does anybody have good low carb articles ..give me LINKS...PLEEEEASE!!!!!!!!!!
sorry, i just Had to vent..i am so angry right now! sighhhh

Hey Bear, what's your average protein consumption (grams) per day?

JandLsMom, here's a link to get you started on those articles.

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I'm glad someone responded. I've been trying to send a private message but the system won't let me...ok, I'm a newbie.

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Actually, the purpose of the Krebs (or tricarboxylic acid) cycle is to complete the biochemical breakdown of food to produce energy-rich molecules, which can, of course, be used for fuel. Byproducts of course being carbon dioxide and water. It is a long process, but the final part of the process takes place within the mitochondria, where ATP is produces (energy-rich molecules). Actually to call ATP an "energy-rich molecule" is a bit overstating things. They actually have a very tiny energy potential. But, we produce so many of them it is truly mind boggling, and their combined "chemical power" is what makes it possible for muscle contractions to take place... which is another long process, that is quite fascinating actually... but we won't cross that Z-line at this point!

Thanks for the link Lisa and thanks for the hug Rob!! I feel slightly better now that time has passed!
(sorry for posting my rant in your thread Bear, i know it is WAY off topic, but this is the thread i have spent the most time in and i feel like i am getting to know people here a little and i just really needed to vent...others can pm me if they want to say anything or give me links..or just click on my journal and post there!! thanks! i dont want to take over Bears thread)

Karen Marie,

I am sorry you are going through all this. Would it be possible to have the psychiatrist speak with your ex? Perhaps he could explain things to him with less emotion (as a third party), and possibly convince him to give this a try. Good luck and keep us informed if you need support.

theBear, do you use coconut milk at all? I remember you said you use coconut oil. I decided to use some coconut milk to make curry chicken. Coconut cream/milk tastes better than heavy cream in a curry, imo.

Bought some coconut oil today at Whole Foods. Saw the mac nut oil too but boy that thing is expensive!

I did some calculations based on the information in the USDA database and whole milk is ~30% carbs by calories and heavy cream is ~3%. Based on weight, milk is 4.5% carbs and cream 2.8%.

I read this whole thread on Sunday night- all 21 pages of it. I took a couple of days off and come back to find another 10 pages!!

this is great! really interesting.

I am a super taster, although I do not know when that happened. I used to love vegetables and was the only kid in my family to eat the lima beans (little nuggets of starch) out of the mixed vegetables my mother always served. I was raised on homemade white bread and potatoes and my mom always overcooked all meat- or that is the way I remember it. I have always enjoyed fruit and bread products over meat and vegetables.

I thought Atkins would be hard to do because I would miss fruit the most, and was not much of an egg eater. I did have to really work at what I was eating, and watching my carb numbers.

I started eating meat and eggs -in February -by following the instructions in the meat and egg fast thread in the triple digits club thread, and had no cravings after 2 days (even the first day was not hard), and I lost 9 lbs in 2 weeks. And when I input to Fitday, I am under 10 carbs without even trying (its the coffee with cream that puts me over 5 carbs daily). Then I stopped losing - no loss for 10 days and so I gave myself permission to eat some icecream at dairy queen (after a nice grilled chicken salad), and it took 10 days to get back into meat and egg fast mode. Plus I gained back 3 lbs!

Giving up vegetables has been no loss for me. I have thrown out countless bags of salad since getting back into low carbing in January. I am so happy to find other people who don't want to eat vegetables. I can hear our vegetarian dietician at work spouting her dogma, but I don't care. I love this way of eating!!! I cannot give up my once in a while treat of frozen raspberries, heavy cream and splenda, but I don't eat the raspberries because I have to, only because I want to.

Thank you to everyone who is contributing to this thread!!