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The ‘hardcore’ scientists shifting the dial on obesity

A new approach to the disease has kickstarted a race to halt its development at source

When Nadeem Sarwar got a call asking him to work on stopping people becoming obese, he was “quite confused”.

The pharmaceutical industry was abuzz with excitement about a new generation of miracle weight-loss injections that could help people lose an average of 15pc of their body mass by suppressing appetite.

Front and centre of this medical revolution were Wegovy, a weight loss drug, and Ozempic, a diabetes treatment that has been prescribed off-label for shedding pounds.

The treatments, which were developed by Danish pharmaceutical company Novo Nordisk, not only helped with weight loss but lowered the risk of heart attacks and strokes.

When Nadeem Sarwar got a call asking him to work on stopping people becoming obese, he was “quite confused”.

The pharmaceutical industry was abuzz with excitement about a new generation of miracle weight-loss injections that could help people lose an average of 15pc of their body mass by suppressing appetite.

Front and centre of this medical revolution were Wegovy, a weight loss drug, and Ozempic, a diabetes treatment that has been prescribed off-label for shedding pounds.

The treatments, which were developed by Danish pharmaceutical company Novo Nordisk, not only helped with weight loss but lowered the risk of heart attacks and strokes.

Countries have been clamouring to get their hands on the treatments to help ease pressures on their creaking healthcare services, with Novo Nordisk making around £32m in profit from the jabs every day.

Novo Nordisk was the company that had called Sarwar.

“I said to the chief executive, ‘you want me to make things that stop people getting the disease that you currently make medicines for?’”

It was, he was told, “exactly what we want you to do”.

Sarwar, a Scottish pharmaceutical veteran, took the job. He now heads up Novo Nordisk’s recently established “transformational prevention unit”, which is anchored in the UK.

The team currently has around 20 people working in the division, spread across its offices in Oxford, London, Copenhagen and Boston.

Staff are a mixture of “hardcore” lab scientists, digital technologists and external partnerships specialists, all working on how to “predict, pre-empt and prevent” obesity.

“If we’re going to defeat obesity, we have to do more than just treat it,” Salwar says.

It may seem like new obesity-preventing drugs would pose a threat to Novo Nordisk’s business. The company currently commands a 55pc share of the market for GLP-1 medicines, as the new generation of weight loss jabs are officially known.

However, the market is becoming increasingly competitive as rival pharmaceutical companies seek to muscle in. The likes of AstraZeneca and Roche are developing their own weight-loss drugs, while Eli Lilly already has a jab on the market.

In this environment, it is unsurprising that Novo Nordisk is seeking to break new ground. If its scientists crack the problem, the rewards could be significant.

The market for weight-loss jabs, for example, is forecast to be worth as much as $90bn (£70bn) in the next few years.

To end obesity altogether, scientists first must figure out what causes it.

The challenge of trying to predict what causes it has been “one of the most complicated maths problems that I’ve encountered”, Sarwar says.

The 43-year-old has spent his career looking at how data can be used to predict illnesses and make better drugs. He has held posts at Pfizer and research giant Eisai, and was last year named joint chairman of the UK government’s dementia mission.

At Novo Nordisk, he and his team are sifting through vast reams of data to understand what makes people overweight. The reasons can vary widely.

“An 18-year-old woman who puts on weight because she tried to give up smoking – that’s a fundamentally different biology and psychology than say, a 55-year-old woman going through perimenopause,” Sarwar says.

“We need to understand what is driving the disease in this person versus that person.”

Novo Nordisk is one of the partners in collaborative research programme Our Future Health, which has invited millions of volunteers to provide health data, while it is also working with top biomedical database UK Biobank.

Artificial intelligence and machine learning tools have been scouring the data to try and find patterns and identify what puts someone at an accelerated risk of becoming obese.

Efforts to find a calculation to predict obesity mark a major step-change in perception of the condition.

For years, obesity was seen as an issue that could be simply solved through telling people to “eat less and move more”.

However, scientists now believe that obesity is a disease that, theoretically, could be treated like any other.

“The science is evolving and with that there is a realisation that this is not a disease of choice or a disease of moral failure,” Sarwar says. “This is a biological disease that has many causes and is one that has many consequences downstream.”

More than one in eight people in the world are clinically obese.

In the UK, three in 10 adults fall into the category. The epidemic costs the NHS around £6.5bn a year, with this figure expected to rise to £9.7bn by 2050.

Obesity is the second-biggest preventable cause of cancer. People over the weight threshold are more than 2.5 times more likely to develop high blood pressure and five times more likely to develop Type 2 diabetes.

Sir John Bell, Britain’s life sciences champion and Covid vaccine tsar, says obesity is “the single biggest health threat”.

But how can you treat it?

Sir John thinks the most plausible way would be tougher laws around the sale of fatty foods.

Novo, on the other hand, is hoping a treatment can be found. What exactly it would look like is an open question.

“What would a drug to prevent obesity look like?,” says Sawar.

“Is that something you’d want to take once a year? Is it something you want to take in a very convenient way? Would it be better implemented one way in one country versus another? There’s a lot of things that we need to figure out.”

Novo Nordisk says it is taking a “multi-pronged” approach to stopping people gaining too much weight.

The company wants to “intercept that path so that they don’t become obese”, Sarwar says. “Or, we can at least delay the time to which they will become obese.”

An “interception” could be a drug, or through finding ways to sway behaviour.

If Novo can crack the code, it would likely prove revolutionary. Curing obesity could help countries keep more people in work and out of hospital beds.

It may also force a rethink of how exactly health services around the world work.

“Today, we’ll wait until someone is a patient and once they’re in, we activate the healthcare systems,” Sarwar says.

“But what if we didn’t do that? What if we intervened to stop people becoming patients in the first place? And so would it be through healthcare systems that we have today, which are typically more disease-centric? We don’t know.”

He admits that there are “lots of unknowns”.

For new preventative drugs, a significant hurdle would be proving they actually work: ultimately, if effective, a person never becomes overweight. The proposition has already raised some eyebrows in the drugs industry.

Other potential roadblocks lie ahead, not least how regulators would view these treatments.

“But those are not reasons to not explore those questions,” Sarwar says.

There is increasingly a sense of urgency within Novo Nordisk, he says. Sarwar himself feels “the clock is ticking”.

“If we’re serious about defeating obesity, it requires solutions to prevent the disease as soon as possible,” he says. “And we want to deliver something yesterday.”

His team “behave with an impatience”.

“We want to be unshackled from the usual kind of bureaucracy and the usual delays you can experience in large organisations.”

This restlessness is driven by the knowledge that the number of people around the world tipping into obesity is getting higher by the day.

Sawar says: “We want to get these things out there imminently because the burden of the disease is so large and the trajectory is currently accelerating.”

While the drug industry is celebrating the recent breakthrough in treating obesity, for Sawar and his team it is just the start.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...besity-forever/
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Sir John Bell, Britain’s life sciences champion and Covid vaccine tsar, says obesity is “the single biggest health threat”.

But how can you treat it?

Sir John thinks the most plausible way would be tougher laws around the sale of fatty foods.
Sir John is showing his ignorance. He should do a lot of studying before speaking about something that he knows nothing about.
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Sir John is showing his ignorance. He should do a lot of studying before speaking about something that he knows nothing about.

Amen. Unfortunately, uneducated people in power are attempting to establish many ignorant policies nowadays.
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Amen. Unfortunately, uneducated people in power are attempting to establish many ignorant policies nowadays.



Not only nowadays. Remember the McGovern Committee which led to the nutritional guidelines whose bad effects are still being felt today and seemingly for the foreseeable future.
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Sir John Bell, Britain’s life sciences champion and Covid vaccine tsar, says obesity is “the single biggest health threat”.

But how can you treat it?

Sir John thinks the most plausible way would be tougher laws around the sale of fatty foods.


The lie that refuses to die.

Excessive amounts of carby foods combined with fats - yes, the fats might be a factor there.

The type of fats (seed oils and the margarine derived from them) most likely a factor.

But very few people became obese when eating lard and butter, even when their southern biscuits were made with lard and slathered with butter.

Very few people ever became obese eating fried chicken with the skin on it - until they started cooking it in seed oils.

Very few people ever became obese eating hamburgers - until those burgers were served with a ton of carbs in the form of buns, fries and sodas.
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Not only nowadays. Remember the McGovern Committee which led to the nutritional guidelines whose bad effects are still being felt today and seemingly for the foreseeable future.

Yes, so true. I did not need to add “nowadays.”
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Yes, so true. I did not need to add “nowadays.”
True, but we'd thought things were coming around to sanity with low carb, intermittent fasting and processed-food avoidance becoming more popular. Now there are drugs that will encourage people to live on smaller amounts of junkfood in between injections. I expect the yo-yoing when they cannot access or afford the drugs will be even worse than before since semiglutide seems to burn more lean mass.
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I expect the yo-yoing when they cannot access or afford the drugs will be even worse than before since semiglutide seems to burn more lean mass.


Yes, this has all the signs of yet another delayed disaster in the making. I've been paying close attention to Calianna's reports of what she knows of the foods people eat while on the drugs. It's a lot like the way people get in trouble after bariatric surgery (the parallels are eerie to me, but they keep occuring.)

I have experienced the energy of ketosis, and appreciate it in an all new way as I get more energy in general. This is what people are ALSO missing, and the torpor of metabolic dysfunction plays a big role here. I am in a state where I have to get out and walk around this spring. As they say, lots of pent up demand

From what I see, many people don't count what they drink. Then keep going with those massive metabolic explosives known as "getting a coffee." If someone tried to sell an actual energy drink this big, it might catch notice, but now it's still in the mental "coffee" category and it would need a whole poster to show the teaspoons of sugar in it.

Bigger than a liter with sugar and caffeine and heaven knows what else, I'll be honest. If they found something that imitates cream or chocolate and makes mice speedy, they will throw it in and how will anyone know? It's "natural flavoring."
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As a separate rant, when I saw the headline I was thinking the opposite. I consider "hardcore science" is because of all the science that went into how we "enlightened" eat now.

I wish hardcore real scientists would speak out more about science. Which is the job of science writers, and I know they are trying.

Here's how one of our hardcore science writers roll: Nina Teicholz will soon be Dr. Teicholz, Ph D. Because her book is the thesis, and she's done all the hardest parts!

That's the kind of credentials I mention, share, and discuss. That's hardcore science, too.
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Nina Teicholz will soon be Dr. Teicholz, Ph D. Because her book is the thesis, and she's done all the hardest parts!

Nina has a doctorate.
https://www.cardiometabolichealth.o.../nina-teicholz/
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Thanks, Mike, I'm all thrilled for her.

It also opens up a new frontier in doctorates, perhaps. I love innovation.
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Yes, so true. I did not need to add “nowadays.”


True, but we'd thought things were coming around to sanity with low carb, intermittent fasting and processed-food avoidance becoming more popular. Now there are drugs that will encourage people to live on smaller amounts of junkfood in between injections. I expect the yo-yoing when they cannot access or afford the drugs will be even worse than before since semiglutide seems to burn more lean mass.

Yes, same here. I realize I underestimated the ability of people to accept reason based on results. The loss of lean mass by those taking these new chemicals concerns me the most, particularly as they are now being blatantly touted as CVD (heart/stroke) treatments. Seems our "science" and common sense too often revert to paganism.
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Seems our "science" and common sense too often revert to paganism.


I know I'm being fussy, but paganism itself was not anti-science

These days, it's the profit business who must undercut and bribe more and more science out of the public discourse, and loosen respect for its lessons. Food is only the latest battleground they overwhelm with armies of money.

We've seen medical treatments adopted on a large scale, only to discover the original study was a scam. Not enough attention was paid to the non-repeatable nature of later studies.

The more I learn about science, the more I learn what a tricky trade it is. While struggling with the same amount of careerism as any other human endeavor.

But it's still our best option. Still my favorite!
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