Thanks Bonnie for the thickening info. I'll give them a try. Actually I work at Veseys. I look after the flower end of things. I help with the catlaogues and the field trials and answer questions. Its great. I'm trying to convert everyone here to giving up sugar. NO luck so far, but I get lots of questions, so I have to know what i'm talking about! It really pains me to hear people trying to eat low fat, but piling on the sugar. Anyway , its been great hearing from you guys. Hope you have a great winter down south!