Thanks for this referral Janet! I struggle finding podcasts I can listen to because I have evidently become an old fogey with regard to speaking -- if they are going to put themselves on the air they should speak clearly and accurately, and know what they are going to say -- so hmms and 'likes' are an anathema to me, I simply exercise the pause button and look for something else (not to mention the ads, which I as you point out lend themselves to practice of the 15 sec scrub). Well, enough of my fussing. I'll try the link....