"family C, mine, with 8"

Zei, I have no argument with responsible people who want to and really can support large families. In modern developed countries they are balanced out by people who decide to have 1 child or none.

I made it quite clear that this is about people (whole countries in fact) who reproduce irresponsibly and then expect help from people (again, whole countries) who reproduce responsibly.

But even with your enthusiasm for children, you must see that there is a limit to how many people the world can support.

As for China - so what? Where did I suggest any type of enforced population control? My point is this: people and countries who reproduce responsibly should not be expected to pay for those that reproduce irresponsibly. And if Family A (or nation A) wants to use the spare land to grow healthy grass-fed meat and grow forests and generally have more space, that seems fine to me.

Maybe living in lovely green New Zealand with plenty of space and affordable grass-fed meat has skewed my perspective.