Intermittent Fasting: The Science is Growing
Recent minor kurfuffle on MedPage about Intermittent Fasting. Response today:
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For more detail on various time restricted eating plans, there is long thread about Dr Jason Fung's use of it to correct high blood sugars in diabetics: http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=472377 |
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He absolutely lost me there. You can't go wrong, really? Jean |
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The Biggest Loser gets criticized because there's a lot of relapse among former contestants. I actually think this is unfair--because the bar that needs to be passed to qualify as effective long-term is pretty low. We live in a world where a diet and exercise program can have most participants relapse and still be very effective compared to the average program. I'm not sure "can it be sustained long term" should be a criticism of a weight loss method, that's more along the lines of maintenance. Is the program on the ranch sustainable long term? No. But if the mainstream advice for maintenance, simply don't eat more than you burn was practical, it wouldn't need to be. They shouldn't pretend they've entirely cracked the maintenance problem for any dietary approach. |
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Good point Teaser. No approach has been shown to be sustainable long term for the vast majority of people. The issue of maintenance is different from the issue of weight loss. I've solved the problem for myself by making no distinction between how I eat to lose weight and how I eat to maintain weight. Perhaps one of the primary problems is the concept of a weight loss diet as something different from maintenance diet. What we need is a deep understanding of how best to eat for general health with weight loss one of the possible benefits. Jean |
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Excellent point. Making an effective WOE a WOL is the approach that has worked for me. No need to be concerned about maintenance. |
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Cant get sued? For recommending government approved my plate? :lol: Never mind whether it's healthy or not. Okay, I don't think that's really what he meant. He probably believes my plate is healthy. But at least I don't. :) |
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Whoa, an idjit with a doctorate, whodathunkit!!! A fad, huh? We fast intermittently every single day and between every single meal for our entire lives from the moment we're born to the moment we die, and we've done this for as long as our species has emerged on this planet. This makes intermittent fasting the longest standing fad ever. Ever. Ah but the thing called intermittent fasting is slightly different. It means to extend this fast a little bit longer, like a few hours, maybe every day, maybe every other day, maybe a few days a week, or something like that. Think of it as skipping a meal once in a while, cuz that's all it is really. I just gotta wonder how ancient this practice of skipping a meal once in a while really is. How about some religious practices, huh? That's pretty old methinks, as old as those religions, and some religions are pretty old, like several thousands of years old. What a fad. But seriously, plausible mechanisms for benefits is easy to figure out. For example, today we ask patients to fast for a day before tests, because it allows normalization of a ton of markers like BG, insulin and other hormones, cholesterol, etc. See this word - normalization. It means things go back to normal, as oppose to things being disrupted by a meal. It means fasting is, ehem, the normal thing to do. But, we gotta eat, dumbass!!! Yes, we do. We gotta eat something, but this thing must be as close to normal as possible, the least disrupting. But we don't do that, we eat all kinds of crap, disrupt things so far we get sick from it. From there, the benefits of fasting are even more plausible, and in the facts even more, ehem, factual. Hold on now. We eat all kinds of crap, disrupt things so far we get sick from it? What kind of crap? The processed kind. I mean, if it wasn't processed, nobody in their right mind would eat that crap, cuz it's crap, ya? How do we know it's crap? Before it's processed, in its raw form, it's utterly recognizable as crap - we know for a fact it's inedible. Nah, all that reasonable plausible stuff, it's woowoo. We need sciance, dagnibit!!! Well here's my promise to you. Science is likely to find that a) intermittent fasting is beneficial, and b) fresh food (you know, the thing that actually feeds us?) is better than processed crap, and c) the benefits of fasting are greater in the context of a diet of processed crap. I didn't read Kamath's post, need registration and I won't do that. |
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I'm quoting this because the writer is a dietician, trained to promote the official guidelines. I'm absolutely certain it would surprise the writer that the relationship is actually reversed. The official guidelines (i.e. consumption) are based on the USDA (i.e. production), with no regards for any and all other pertinent aspects of food, nutrition or health. The discussion between the two - Kamath and Kelly - is about IF vs CR, when it could be about diet and health in general, i.e. it could include low-carb for example. To me, it looks like an open internal debate between two buddies, cuz there's no actual neutral party involved here. Both advocate the official guidelines from the looks of it. No mention of existing alternative besides CR and IF, i.e. LCHF, keto, etc. It's not obvious, but it smells of CICO. It wouldn't surprise me to hear Kelly (certainly Kamath too, for CR) cite one benefit of IF as "cuz they eat less". All in all, I'm sorry to say there's nothing fruitful here. It's gonna go nowhere fast. Fake debate. Manufactured problem. Misdirection. I gotta admit I almost got caught in it myself because it talks about IF. |
They should examine health markers of patients doing IF other than just weight loss: blood pressure and blood sugar control among many other benefits often seen.
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If they want to talk about what is NOT sustainable long term, that would be calorie restriction. I would white-knuckle my way through constant hunger for weeks and lose... a pound.
I would run out of calories at 2 pm and if I could have managed it, I would have fasted until the next morning, but I could not, because I was so hungry. I happen to be midweek with alternate day fasting (it's easy when I'm feeling well and keeping up with my niacin) and I'm not hungry. I test with some salt and tea with coconut oil if I do feel hungry... and then it goes away. |
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