Butter nonsense: the rise of the cholesterol deniers
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https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...esterol-deniers |
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I loved "the world is flat" analogy-- it is one I started using this summer myself. lol The beef fat issue will not go away until a good study compares grass fed beef and conventional beef. Because of the amount of beef fat I eat, I will check for grassfed beef fat but realize it will remain just out of reach. |
Any time an article cites nutrition 'experts', I know it is written to protect the status quo.
I have been eating high-fat, low-carb for over 15 years and have been able to quit all the prescription drugs that low-fat eating had put me on. I am no longer 'pre-diabetic' with low-HDL and high triglycerides. I am at an older age than both my grandfathers, my father and two of my brothers lived to. I do not know the cause of death of one of my grandfather, but the rest of the men were type 2 diabetics and died of heart attacks. I feel great and enjoy keeping very active. |
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Well stated. I have a similar story and no longer require prescription drugs. Interesting in an article with so many words defending the status quo that has been the belief system since the late 1970s, it appears that those with a vested financial interest are getting nervous. They can't refute the evidence that the results of an epidemic of T2D, CVD, CHD, cancer, and other health issues since the start of the low fat, high carb recommendations represent. Pharma, food, and other interests will throw money at any position that serves to delay changes and protects revenue streams for current products. The good news is the battle lines have been drawn, and that indicates that a change is looming regardless of the posturing and debating that will occur over the next couple years. |
I've opted out of this fight. I know what is working for me, another older type person off all prescription drugs and no longer fat, and will not trust my health to any other expert other than myself and those "experts" who have dared to question the status quo, which clearly isn't working for the majority of people.
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Ohmigosh. That's awful. What shall we do? Wait.... neither was the reply to the article, signed by 300... or this comment. Or this one. Holy crap! I can't help myself. Maybe I should just shut up... or wait until I'm prompted by some original research. |
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The idea that research funds have to go to the individual to have a distorting influence is sheer nonsense. One, making sure that research funds go to people likely to give the sorts of answers that you desire--or people likely to do the sort of research that's likely to give the sorts of answers you desire--is of course distorting. Also, claiming that scientists aren't motivated by things they see beneficial to their research might actually be a bit insulting to the scientists. They aren't just motivated by personal financial gain, there's also actually wanting answers to questions they think need answering, the acclaim that comes if you're actually involved in producing these answers, etc. Collins.... https://www.thelancet.com/journals/...1357-5/fulltext This has that 1000 fewer events in 10000 statin takers with a history of heart disease that's mentioned here--as well as the claim for 500 fewer events in 10000 people at risk but who hadn't had a previous event. A number I've seen popping around is 1 in 200 to treat to benefit one person. Some digging around to do... https://www.thelancet.com/journals/...0367-5/fulltext Okay, here's the actual meta study the claims are made from. I don't really have an answer I'm happy with about whether I should be worried about my ldl cholesterol. Fortunately, social anxiety keeps me out of the doctor's office, so I have no idea what my ldl cholesterol might be. But I do think "lowering ldl cholesterol lowers heart disease, and eating butter can raise ldl cholesterol, so not eating butter lowers heart disease" is a questionable logical jump. If somebody "reverses" or puts their diabetes into remission, or loses a bunch of weight, etc. on a low carb diet that happens to include more butter than their previous diet--can you really say none of that matters, if ldl doesn't go down? You can't even predict that eating butter in this way will raise ldl cholesterol. Dr Westman has said that it's roughly 1/3 go up, 1/3 down, 1/3 pretty much stay the same when they switch to his diet. Collins study--lowering ldl cholesterol by 1 mM, 1000 less events in 10000 people with previous events. https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/102/2/309/4564657 Random study looking at butter versus olive oil that I have no reason to believe is representative of butter's effect on ldl cholesterol generally in studies like this one--other than my past nodding off reading studies like this one suggesting I haven't seen much to get excited about before. Baseline, 2.88 mM/l, butter 3.04 mM/l, olive oil 2.87 mM/l. Now, comparing to corn oil would give a greater decrease in ldl cholesterol. But suppose that 1 mM decrease gives a 10 percent decrease in events held true. What would we expect if somebody at 3.04 mM went down to 2.87 mM? Suppose a pure, linear, dose response. Between olive oil and butter, 0.17 mM. We're down to 170 less events per 10000, in 5 years. Not insignificant, still. But not significant enough to offset benefits of a low carb diet, if somebody is insulin resistant/diabetic/pre-diabetic. You could do low carb with olive oil, avocado etc., and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. But it's not perfect--one thing that's good about a ketogenic diet for me is that it becomes my habitual diet, butter and heavy cream is pretty much what I want to eat, in a way that olive oil and avocado oil just is not. I can eat them, I just don't come to prefer them. It's sort of like the salt thing--high blood pressure is risky, absolutely. Lowering salt intake can lower blood pressure, yes. So the best diet has the least salt. Well, okay, but how much does lowering salt decrease blood pressure? Does it take you from severe hypertension to normal, or optimal? Generally you can hope for a marginal decrease, another situation where it takes tens of thousands of people before you can detect a benefit. I can detect the benefit of Atkins or a ketogenic diet in one person, me. One Shakespeare vs. thousands of monkeys typing on keyboards, to borrow an evolution denialist meme. Us denialists have to stick together. Except for that one type of denialist, I don't want to invoke Godwin's law so I'll be oblique about that. :lol: They suck. |
The big fat debate on cholesterol and statins
Responses to the recent Guardian article on 'cholesterol-deniers' https://www.theguardian.com/society...rol-and-statins |
Uffe Ravnskov's new response in his newsletter.
With in this a Short and Simple "Popular Science" version of their 2016 paper. http://www.ravnskov.nu/2018/11/05/c...-best-friend-2/ |
Im paging thru Dr Mark Hymans book, Eat Fat, Get Thin. An updated version of DANDR, and easier to read format for many. He mentions a friend that trekked to the north pole, eating BUTTER , sticks of butter en-route.
Made me chuckle as Iditarod racers often feed a rubic cube of fat daily to their sled dogs.... |
The butter wars: What you really need to know about the debate around fat in your diet
Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment...ra-tim-spector/ |
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I would agree that we should replace saturated fat with "healthier" fats. But that's exactly the point of contention, what's healthier? Of course we should replace things with healthier things. Some of us want to eat healthier, grass fed cows. I'm pretty happy with cows whose muscle and arteries have been clogged with saturated fat from eating healthywholegrain, but to each their own. |
I was writing something witty, then changed my mind.
There's no way to demonstrate that the liver's purpose is to kill the heart. It's not mine, I read it once somewhere. Point is, the liver makes cholesterol and lipoproteins, and if we blame cholesterol and lipoproteins for heart disease, we blame the liver for heart disease. The skeptics certainly seem to have at least one good reason to be so. |
Research funds go to the grad students, post-docs and equipment needed to do the research and write the papers that the grant recipient needs to keep his/her job. No BigPharma or BigAgra funds, no job.
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The drug companies in the US are out of control. The advertisements on TV are literally one after another to the point of shock at how many in a row they can air. Then the list of damage each prescription "may" cause is shocking!
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