Sorry, keto fans, you're probably not in ketosis
Did you know only children and teens can get into ketosis?
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They should study ME. I’m obviously a mutant. Quote:
Yes, my suffering. It is... nonexistent, actually. I guess I feel so much better I’m not noticing the misery! Quote:
Saturated fat comes to kill me in my dreams. There’s lots more at the link: Sorry, keto fans - and get this. It’s Popular Science. Oh, the humanity. |
Oh, the STUPIDITY, lol.
I wont put myself thru the torture of reading that article in full. I'd rather go pick some lettuce, radishes and scallions from the garden, then saute 4 eggs to go with it. |
Wonder if Ms. Fung has ever tested blood ketones in adults who follow VLCKD as a way of life? My way of eating is diverse and hardly monotonous as I stay in ketosis. Silly, naive comments from another "expert." BTW, I never had gravy on my cauliflower. Butter or olive oil will do fine.
Edited to add: The warning about saturated fat is terribly outdated, but unfortunately, many still believe this myth hook, line, and sinker. This is the news that the world must process today, which is why I have a very guarded position on whether what constitutes healthy lifestyles will ever reach agreement. We have a petri dish called the Dietary Guidelines for Americans that will serve as the fighting octagon with many participants (some far more powerful than others) for this ongoing debate. |
I was just about to post this article because the amount of misinformation is frightening. My favorite part is "A couple of slices of bread will likely fulfill that requirement as well". I'm sorry, does this writer have any idea what a ketogenic diet is? Or what a carbohydrate is for that matter? I'm still convinced that they have to print things like this because pharmaceutical companies will lose money if people start fixing themselves through diet. That's exactly what I did.
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No, my body's primary fuel isn't glucose, it's fat. And yes I do need some glucose, and yes that's why my body breaks down some fat and amino acids into glucose to cover this need. That's what the body's supposed to do. And nope, my body's not in desperation mode, it's quite happy this way and has been for years. Glucose is a scary sugar if it takes away my kidneys, legs, eyes, heart, etc. through the diabetes damage I personally would get if I relied on it rather than fat for fuel. Oh, and not missing those grains and fruit. Quite happy without, enjoying all my yummy saturated fats. :yum: Edit to add: yes, I think the author may have a point that deep ketosis may be more difficult for adults to achieve/maintain than possibly for children, which could be more challenging for an adult whose health needs (such as epilepsy) require deep ketosis. Even on nearly zero carb I don't always go into much ketosis, but for my needs and likely a lot of other adults without certain health conditions it may not matter. |
That article displays a lot of ignorance and misconceptions about low-carb and ketosis.
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Just last week while I was fasting and taking exogenous ketones, my blood ketones were 4.4 mmol/L. If I don't use exogenous ketones, my readings are usually between 1.0 and 2.0 mmol/L.
It's not difficult and I'm definitely and adult. |
The only truth I see is that the diet is indeed limited. But for me, I don't mind, the results are worth the limiting. I don't need donuts, white bread, potatoes, macaroni (and I'm Italian-American), cereal, beans, pop tarts, cakes, and pies. I also don't need any prescription meds and I'm 72 years young. I've been on keto since the 70s when they called it Atkins Induction.
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Back when Atkins made a popular resurgence in the early 00's, I remember seeing a sign in the grocery store saying "There's nothing to eat on Atkins, except..." with several rows of LC foods
Oh look! I found a picture of it! Of course this was around 2000, when they started making the bars and shakes, but even eliminating those from the poster, that's hardly what I'd call a limited, unpalatable, monotonous selection of food. They just need to add a stick of butter, some bacon, eggs, cream, and a few dozen other LC friendly foods to the poster. I find high carb to be a lot more limited - grain and sugar based everything, all day long, every day, with the occasional tiny bit of meat or tsp of fat to make it a little more palatable. Bleh. |
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Amen to that. Combined with the need to eat and snack all day long because you have constant cravings is extremely limited. I know when I do an IF, I'm free of having to prepare food for the whole time and can spend time doing other things. When I take a long car trip, I don't have to worry about food, as I've got my own on-board reserves that prevent me from being hungry. And when I eat, I eat to satiety without counting calories or imposing a limit. So much simpler this way. |
Enjoyed this thread as my dinner entertainment. Menu?
Red pepper, raw broccoli, whole fat cottage cheese and blue cheese dressing, salmon and mayo. Started with an overflowing plate; will eat until I don't want any more and that put the rest in the frig. Oh, the monotony. Oh, the desperation. Now to be fair, I'm not measuring ketones. Or food. Or calories. Or carbs. Eat when I'm hungry, eat what I'm hungry for, stop eating when I'm full. I stay away from sugar and grains, try to avoid most processed foods. Four years ago, I weighed twice what I weigh today, had a worn-out knee, and moved like I was ninety. Today I move like I'm nineteen. Don't eat bananas. Or apples. And I sure don't eat bread. Wearing US size six clothing. I remember when getting into 16's would have been dreaming the impossible dream. What could entice me to go back to those days when my body was my prison? Sure as hell not a couple of slices of Wonder Bread. So this is not just an ignorant voice in the wilderness espousing this, or even a nutritionist. It's someone who teaches nutritionists and churns out the advice they depend upon in their professional lives, the same kind of advice that led to years of misery for myself and a legion of others. Damn. She may kiss my rosy stats. |
When I see all the foods in the grocery store ads and on the shelves that I don't eat, it's definitely limited. And I'm glad it's limited. I'm limited by not being allowed to eat unhealthy frankenfood on this diet.
Bob |
Sounds like Popular Science has fallen for the popular misunderstanding that a medically ketogenic diet is the same things as a very low carb diet that has been nicknamed "keto." The whole article is a mess with just a bunch of biased opinions instead of real science.
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(Noting also that most fasting is ketogenic. No idea what % of bodyfat it's using.) Quote:
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It has less variety than 'eat anything in the grocery store' that is true. However 80% of the crap in the grocery store is not food, it's ingestible entertainment. Quote:
My only point in ref'ing pubmed is that it required seconds to find on the internet, so it's hardly inaccessible, and it's involved in studies that actually have to measure the state of ketosis in human beings. Quote:
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But, to get any related degree, you'd have to lie about nearly everything in class and on tests. I worked for 14 years for a uni-level textbook mfr and they all say the same thing. Eggs and butter will kill you, grains are absolutely required or you can't be healthy, vitamins and supplements are merely expensive urine, low-carbohydrate diets are "dangerous fad" diets, and my favorite in one -- if you want supplements, just drink energy drinks like Red Bull. (!) This is typical BS we would have read 20 years ago, so it's kind of surprising I guess that the same BS is still being pushed today. I would think the internet would be gradually educating more people to recognize it as that, though. I only grieve a bit that there may be people whose lives would be so improved, even saved, by VLCKD's and they may never try them -- or properly -- because some allegedly expert idiot in the press gave them the wrong idea about it. PJ |
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I've seen that sort of thing too often: "If you eat (random high carb food) you've blown the diet." But why would I eat bread, bananas, apples, desserts, etc? And I LIKE cauliflower! But I don't care for gravy. Quote:
I was almost one of those people - I thought low carb was just a fad. Thank God for a friend who kept nudging me in the right direction! |
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