'This isn't just a behavioral problem': Study challenges the story on overeating
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I knew someone once who lost her sense of taste temporarily. She said she still continued to overeat. Seemed weird to me at the time. |
Thanks JLx, it always seems amazing to me that the world of mainstream science acts like they are shocked, shocked I tell you that hormones and food ingredients have anything to do with human eating behavior. It's been no secret for centuries for farm animals.
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I remember when I started to get interested in agriculture and started reading about animal husbandry. And, lordy, why don't people get the same concepts for humans, indeed? It's total cognitive dissonance. |
Hogs are fed corn.....
I will never look at an ear of corn the same way EVER again..... |
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Correct. No opposition to this. Hormones carry signals. Tissues, including the brain, then obey the signals accordingly. But the next part of her statement "carrying the body's perception of yada yada" is completely wrong. It's wrong because it presumes some ability to carry quantity/quality information of some sort. There's no such form of information in the signals hormones carry. The hormones are the signals themselves. A good analogy of what she said is data packets, where each packet contains some information beyond its own means to be received. Hormones carry no such thing. Instead, the quantity/quality information is directly proportional to the absolute quantity of the hormone molecules, then of the receptor sensitivity, then of modulators. In common parlance, we're talking the level of a hormone, as in blood insulin level and so forth. For the behavior conditioning part, there's no doubt that hormones are involved. However, for conditioning to occur, external stimuli must be present, hormones alone are insufficient. Conversely, conditioning also occurs without excess fat accumulation. We've been conditioned to eat a bunch of crap, we've also conditioned ourselves to eat genuine food. Quote:
Maybe. Food is the cause, metabolic signals is the effect. There's no way to reverse this causality. However, hunger is also the cause, while eating is the effect, and hunger is driven by metabolic signals. A reinforcement either way results from the nature of the stuff we consume as a consequence of hunger. If it's genuine food, satisfaction is ensured and this gets reinforced. If it's crap, disappointement is ensured and this gets reinforced instead. We see this all the time when we first go low-carb after years of eating crap. Finally, I'm satisfied with a reasonable meal, instead of being hungry all the time. The amplitude of reinforcement, i.e. "how reinforcing it is", is a whole nother topic. Two monkeys in a cage. We cannot say that either monkey's behavior is reinforced more strongly than the other, since both monkey's behavior appear to get reinforced equally with equally significant consequences. The one who gets his dose every time pushes the button only when he's driven to, and the dose satisfies every time. The one who gets his dose only once in a while pushes the button continuously also only when he's driven to, but he's continuously driven to because satisfaction never comes. Going low-carb after years of eating crap, we're finally put into that cage where we get our dose every time, satisfaction finally comes, we can now push the button and rely on a satisfactory dose every time. All the while though we're fighting old habits of reaching for that cake. Personally, I once ate a big mac and suddenly realized it tasted like saw dust. -edit- It just occurs to me that satisfaction may be a stronger reinforcement effect compared to disappointement. Maybe. |
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With the trend towards leaner (tasteless) pork, they've generally cut way down on the amount of grain they feed hogs, because they KNOW all those extra carbs makes them gain more fat. (when was the last time you saw a well marbled pork chop?) Instead, the hogs are being fed more fat and protein to make them leaner. But humans? No, they insist we NEED our grains, loads and loads of them, every single day of our lives, more grains than humans have ever eaten before. Then they turn around and blame us for gaining weight, because we eat too much fat. :bash: |
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You have to look for the fatty chops, I find them but I have to look, usually the cheapest price of all pork.....then there's bacon which I live on daily.
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We have a new vender at our weekly farmers' market this year. He raises Mangalitza pigs, the "lard pig" of Hungary. https://www.dartagnan.com/mangalica...itage-pork.html
The meat is delicious, and the lard is lovely. Not cheap, but I treat myself every few weeks to some. And he almost gave me the kidney fat to render into lard as he had so much of it, and not a lot of demand. Same with the kidneys; nobody else has expressed any interest in buying them :-) ETA: The link above is just to explain and show what the pigs are like. This is not my local farmer or his pigs. |
Pork shoulder and the cuts from them are still fatty.
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Pork shoulder...fatty yumminess! I made a "1/2 picnic roast" in the crock pot today; salt, pepper, garlic and onion powder, crocked all day and shredded. So yummy. I can eat it so many ways: with the juice over caulimash, with salsa, quac and queso, tossed with sauteed spinach and onion, tossed with sauteed bell peppers and onion, tossed with sauteed zucchini and a bit of tomato sauce, etc. The juice is filled with collagen from the skin and goodness from the bone. So good. And now back to our regularly scheduled topic... |
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Yes. It's a corn -soybean based pellet. 50% protein from SB is far too high in protein, so it's mixed with corn, 1:2 ish ratio SB to corn depending on other cheap grains in the mix. Hogs today are FAR leaner than the lard hogs. Love the pics in old Ag books. Time to bring back the lard hogs. Or the pot bellied pigs for the family farms. |
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Verbena, you always have the best tips. I'm in love with everything on that web-site! :yum: :yum: :yum: |
Methinks that in the olden days "lard pigs/hogs" were just called "pigs" or "hogs".
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