Jimmy Moore's nutritional ketosis experiment
 

This may have been posted before but I missed it.

Jimmy Moore of Living La Vida is experimenting on himself and losing weight again finding that high protein was a problem for him.

We think we are eating right, low carbs and yet we are not losing? Why? He found he needed lower carbs and protein, and higher fat.

http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/...-day-1-30/14409 ~

Fascinating read....

Interesting that he's just getting to that... in this forum, upping the fat percentage is old hat.

Atkins "fat fast" should make almost anyone drop weight quickly but it is generally unsustainable due to very poor palatability.

Jimmy has been glorifying fat intake for more than a year now. I think the ketosis monitoring is keeping him on track with the carbs he was consuming. He was probably suffering from carb creep in a big way. People seem to revile Ketostix for their false negatives, etc., but I found they really helped me for the first two months. I had to up my carbs to shift a month long stall but I am still at 70% fat.

Edit: just checked MYPLAN and I am now at 60% fat! Didn't even realize it.

Its more about the protein - some people are so metabolically damaged that they have a big insulin response to protein. With insulin levels really high, ketosis is just not going to happen as you won't burn your own fat. By lowering protein and upping fat, calories are kept stable and insulin levels reduced.

Lee

That is what I have found for me, it is not just upping fat, it is lowering protein. I cannot eat more than a bare minimum of protein and not stall. 0 carb or not. I have to have 70%+ fat in my day so I am adding butter, coconut oil and olive oil all the time.

Jimmy's problem is that he eats too much. Even good food isn't good for you in excess.

But I know he's trying to beat that; it's both a habit and a soother, so it's difficult. And his own brother died a year or so ago, having never gotten a grip on it, so I give Jimmy a lot of credit.

Um, his brother has been dead for almost four years. Thankfully he doesn't seem to be using that for an excuse for being fat these days, at least not publicly.

I agree that Jimmy eats too much, but he's also notoriously devoted to frankenfoods. I know he got off diet soda, but only after years and a lot of denial that the sodas had anything to do with him gaining weight.

He does say in the blog that he is not counting calories. I am even tho my fat level is over 70%

I think that feeding experiments show that protein, even in healthy people, provokes as sharp an insulin response as carbs (see the heading "MYTH: Carbohydrate Is Singularly Responsible for Driving Insulin"). Apparently, amino acids drive this insulin response directly, without first being converted to glucose. And apparently, glucagon that the body secretes during protein consumption doesn't cause fat to be released from cells to cancel insulin's effect on fat-burning. Since protein stimulates insulin secretion, it would cause a rapid drop in blood glucose if no carbohydrate is consumed with the protein. Glucagon prevents this rapid drop in blood sugar by stimulating the liver to produce glucose.

So, when Moore restricted his protein intake, he was reducing his glucagon production, and thereby reducing his glucose production, allowing lipolysis to occur.

AJ, you put it in an easy to understand explanation. Thanks.

Thank James Krieger, who wrote the very clear and thought-provoking blog post from which I drew my explanation.

I found this out for myself when I got my new blood glucose/ketone meter back in January, and went through a few days of obsessive self-testing. After a high-protein meal (lean steak, for instance), my blood sugar would quickly drop from its normal high 80s into the mid 60s. This explained to me why I still occasionally have hypoglycemic symptoms despite having been VLC/ZC for the last five years.

Soooo.... By upping my fats more I would end up eating even less to stay within a legit weight loss calorie range. Ugh. Can it be....?

Well, I read the blog that AJ pulled his remarks from http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319

and what I get from it is that he believes calories still count no matter what we eat. I wonder if I ate 1400 calories of bread what would happen....oh, my diabetes would come back.... I might lose weight, but I would not be healthy. I have to believe that it is not just calories but what the calories are from. I have a problem with diabetes and I have to keep my carbs low to stay out of the diabetes dark hands. Now, I wonder about protein.

Before I started this WOE, I was not eating that many calories, but a ton more carbs and I was on the verge of diabetes meds. Now, Doc says it is virtually gone.

AJ, did I miss something in James Krieger's blog?

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Just re-read Jame Krieger's blog, smoething was nagging at me....

found this paragraph,


Ummmm, low carb, low protein, high fat is talked about and recommended. http://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb-winning-in-sweden