They Thought Ozempic Would Help Them Lose Weight. It Didn’t Work.
They Thought Ozempic Would Help Them Lose Weight. It Didn’t Work.
There is a wide range in how much weight people lose on GLP-1 medications https://www.wsj.com/health/pharma/o...share_permalink Gifted article, should be able to open to read. I was planning to bold some of these comments, but really, all the news in this article should get significant press coverage... but likely will not. If I spent $1,000 a month, and had a risk of bone loss, paralyzed stomach, nausea etc., I'd expect immediate and permanent weight loss more than 5%. :lol: Like the doctor who suggests diet and exercise if the drugs don't work..there's a concept! Also not mentioned, how often the compounded medications do not offer a full dose, of the correct hormone formulas. Quote:
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I remember seeing a similar article a while back - maybe a couple months ago?
There were several people mentioned in the article I saw who lost no weight at all on the GLP-1 drugs. I don't recall how long it said they took the drugs though. (Thought I brought it over here but can't figure out where I posted it) From talking to someone who took Wegovy for several months, it seems that a lot of people have zero effect from the lowest strength (1st month) of Wegovy or Zepbound. The dosage increases each month, so that eventually they'd have some appetite suppression from it - but some needed to be on the 3rd or 4th strength (3-4 months) before they felt any effects from it at all. I don't know if the ones who were more resistant to the GLP-1 drugs were more obese or less obese - My guess is that they were probably more obese - that some of the same factors (hormones?) that cause insulin resistance, weight gain, diabetes, and increased appetite, are so high that it takes far more GLP-1 to overcome those factors enough to suppress appetite. |
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This fits what Calianna is reporting. They aren't even trying to cut down, expecting the drug to "do it all." Which makes me even angrier when the ads (I watch free Youtube, so I stay current :) for these drugs say a person can lose an average of 35 pounds. Which is significant enough to make a difference, certainly -- that was the amount I lost at the last, surprising me. :) And it was apparently weight I needed to lose, because it is almost-normal, the way I regulate my weight now. Not that exercise made a dang bit of difference, ever. I lost all that weight with only pleasure walking, like flat hikes in the woods. And I live on the third floor -- that's got to count for something! But now I know everything we've been told since the food pyramid has been setting people up for failure. I'm sadly not surprised so many are now in a crisis that is not of their own making. They trapped me too. I am sympathetic to how hopeless the situation can seem. It's been shown it is equally damaging to a child to either neglect OR overindulge them. But it's constant decisions through the day that keep our parenting in the middle, where it's safe for them. We didn't need to be wrenched from a problematic situation to a disastrous one. And I'm starting to realize it was on purpose. I'm on a watchlist for retracted studies and papers. It's an avalanche. It's a hidden rebellion by real scientist demanding real science return. Gives me hope for the future. Because only science gives replicable results. |
I need a shirt that says, "But I digress."
A point I was trying to get to is that they don't trust any diet plan or exercise program now. Good or bad, they might not feel this is something they can do by themselves, at all. They're sick and it's a medical crisis. But they are being "helped" the wrong way. Having observed conformity for a long time, and never getting the hang of it, either, I can see how learned helplessness results when everyone is being given the wrong advice. On purpose. |
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This really irked me. Weight loss takes serious effort. Its not quick. Its full of temptations. From Easter candy to Ben n Jerrys on sale. Weight loss takes effort! |
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Since I had no idea what they meant, I found this paper: Quote:
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That is their strategy moving forward. Like diabetes, obesity itself is now a chronic condition to be managed with more and more interventions. Except it's not a disease. It's a fake-food-induced metabolic condition, and this is not treatment. It's symptom suppression. I think they can do more than "make the patient comfortable." Do they regard the population to be so impervious to advice when they have been giving the wrong message for four decades. They WILL NOT ever blame themselves for all the big corp corruption of the process which is now a crisis in the scientific community, rebelling against the ludicrous claims that corporate scientists proliferate. The guilty fear retribution of some kind for their actions. And come to think of it, maybe they are right about that. They just keep getting us angrier and angrier. Some of them don't even have a customer service number handy. You have to ask a chatbot for it. That's all they are good for: it's AI to send to to another passive page on the site for "help." |
I had to look up heterogeneity:
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So obesity is due to a diverse set of circumstances? Well, let's see - there's being female: Biologically speaking, the female body is designed to reproduce. In order to effectively be a fertile female who can maintain a pregnancy and nurture a baby through infancy, you need to be able to maintain enough fat stores to nurture a baby from conception through birth, plus you need enough extra energy stored up to nurture (breastfeed) that baby through infancy - even during times of famine. Survival of the fittest - During a famine, the naturally waif thin woman would have been more likely to starve to death. If she didn't starve to death, she might have been less fertile. If she got pregnant, more likely to have a miscarriage due to the baby simply not getting enough nutrients. If the pregnancy made it to term, the baby would likely have been smaller, and she would would have had a more difficult time providing enough milk for the baby to survive infancy. The female who gains and retains weight more easily - they're more likely to make it through that famine, produce a healthy infant, and be able to provide enough milk for that infant to hopefully wait out the famine. But then you also have women whose bodies have decided that surely she's always on the verge of pregnancy and major famine at the same time - so the body does everything it can to pack on as much weight as possible, and holds onto that fat fiercely in spite of any and all interventions. That's before you get into food availability that is geared towards naturally carby foods that are more readily stored for the winter, and converted to glucose to be stored in the body as fats. A few men also enter the picture of becoming overweight at this point, simply because of the amount of carbs consumed. And that went on for thousands of years before ever getting to the last 40-some years where everyone was told to cut down on dietary fats and meat, eat more starches, grains, beans, and fruit, leading to more obesity - not just women, but also many more men. Which was before highly addictive refined carb based UPF foods became the primary source of calories for the vast majority of the population. Now it's easy even for men to fall into storing up as much as possible for the potential famine because the grocery stores, restaurants, convenience stores, and vending machines are full of addictive UPFs. Unfortunately, I don't think most people who are addicted to UPFs have any idea that's what's going on - oh they might say "I just can't give up bread" or "I can't turn down chocolate chip cookies", but they don't equate it with the term addiction because they're not seeing as a chemical dependency (such as with heroin, alcohol, or nicotine). So they're very willing to accept the current explanation that obesity is a disease that needs to be treated medically. And if the GLP-1 medication doesn't work, then medical science will soon come up with a new drug treatment to help them. |
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Excellent points, and that is indeed the problem. It IS an addicting drug. They spent billions to make sure you "can't eat just one." And this isn't fair play like a pie contest at the state fair, where everyone starts with the same ingredients. They have created addictive fake food. So effective that we don't even know how much fake food is mixed into the real food. Like, I can make my own cheesecake, sweetened with chunks of fruit. And then I look at the plates of GOO that my grocery sells as cheesecake. The people who are horrified by steak and eggs for breakfast think it's better for them to have a granola bar fortified with soy protein. What I'm asking is, do some people not even understand what food is? I have been told quite seriously that of course we are getting the deep-fried not-potato vegetable because it's "healthier." Then I remember doctors don't get nutrition courses, and neither do we. |
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That's the problem right there. I don't know that it's really their fault though. Even my generation was eating a lot of processed foods. There weren't nearly as many back then, most of them weren't eaten on a daily basis, and a lot of the ones we had weren't nearly as processed as they are now. But we still had pop tarts, instant breakfast, Tang, sodas, Hawaiian Punch. With the exception of the sodas, all of those were considered to be relatively healthy - The pop tarts had "real fruit" in them (not as much as would be in the jam you smeared on your white bread toast - but still, REAL fruit!), the Instant Breakfast had a bunch of added vitamins and minerals (and lots of sugar, but apparently mixing it with your own REAL milk counteracted that!), the Tang had Vitamin C (and was mostly sugar - but it's what the astronauts drank in space! How could it possibly be bad for you?), Hawaiian Punch was made with real fruit juice (10% - but still, REAL fruit juice!). A lot of people don't really recognize real food in it's natural form, much less know what to do with it. They're just too far removed from it. Not to mention the anti-meat, anti-egg, anti-fat mantra from the last 40 years - they just eat whatever is presented to them as being healthy. |
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