Weight-loss drugs need to become cheaper, says AstraZeneca boss
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As far as I know, using muscles is the only way to keep them. I do wonder if the rapid weight loss and associated muscle loss also cause some heart muscle loss.
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Pretty good formula for a business in an extremely toxic food environment. Create a pill that treats symptoms of the most common diseases, lower the price, and eliminate all reasons for embracing a healthy lifestyle. Further, eliminate all reasons to truly understand how to define a healthy lifestyle in order to live in a healthy manner. We live in a very distorted world.
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I can almost guarantee you that it does cause heart muscle loss, and considering how much muscle they lose overall, it's probably pretty bad. (The Kimkins era showed quite clearly that muscle loss during rapid weight loss does not discriminate between muscle no longer needed in the legs to support excess weight, and heart muscle still needed to support LIFE.) I can't personally figure out how they can manage to circumvent that muscle loss with exercise, since the drugs slow down digestion so much that they feel over-full after just a very small meal. And who can exercise when their stomach feels overly full? The idea that they need to concentrate on easy to digest foods (mostly carbs in general) means that they're getting very little protein - not likely nearly enough to help sustain muscle mass. |
I personally think they really do need to lower the price, at least in the US because the price is absolutely outrageous:
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This is true - but what's considered to be a healthy diet changes in infinitesimally small increments, and at a snail's pace. The Food Pyramid in the 90's recommended 6-11 servings of grain daily. The current My Plate still recommends 6 servings of grains, but has reduced the upper limit to 7 servings. (And look how many years for them to reduce the upper limit that much) For fruits and vegetables - at least some versions of the food pyramid are now saying that potatoes don't count as a veggie, whereas on the food pyramid potatoes were considered to be just as nutritious in the veggie section as spinach and broccoli. There's a possibility that potatoes may actually be reclassified as a grain for the 2025 dietary Guidelines ( https://forum.lowcarber.org/showthr...684#post9457684 ) There's a long way to go to improve the Dietary Guidelines, and it may never be a healthy diet in my lifetime, but these few small changes are at least moving in the right direction. As far as the weight loss drugs in development that are also supposed to treat coronary issues, I think they really do need the drugs to treat the problems associated with such an upside down diet too - once you develop those problems, switching to a healthier diet (assuming what's considered to be a "healthy" diet IS actually a healthy diet) the problems may go away... but they may not. Some of those conditions cause permanent damage that will need to be treated for a lifetime. Even if they do go away, the damage those conditions caused may not ever go away, and will require treatment for life. |
I thought sure I'd read something on here about NC employees being denied weight loss drugs, but this seemed like the most likely place to put another article on that topic. (can't find the old article now - please move if this is not an appropriate place for it)
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I mentioned the NC State Employee health care in this post https://forum.lowcarber.org/showpos...5&postcount=104
And also #114 in same thread. The articles were in local papers, better to keep your comment here. this from a TV station. https://www.wral.com/story/nc-state...drugs/21252674/ |
Thanks, JEY - I knew I'd seen something about it somewhere on here.
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Not that I like seeing so many people on what is potentially a very damaging drug - its the price gouging that really bothers me, because these people are desperate to lose weight, and No-Nor knows it, so they're taking advantage of it. |
I don't actually subscribe to Reddit, but you know how it is if you read anything on there - and then read more in that category? I've been reading a lot of stuff on the r/Walmart section, and a someone showed a photo of a shelf with Doritos and complained that the price had gone up so much - $2.58 for a small bag of Doritos.
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Calianna, with due respect, you missed my point completely. My statement was one that observes the tendency in our current medical society to treat symptoms, not root causes. Therefore, when treating symptoms, whatever they may be, the person taking the prescription is not getting healthy; rather, they're simply "kicking the can down the road." Instead, if people learned how to eat and live to achieve health through lifestyle practices, they would be addressing root causes, not symptoms, and avoiding the side effects that come with the ineffective pills and shots designed to treat symptoms. The dilemma is that due to so many different ways of defining what constitutes healthy eating, there are no clear and agreed upon guidelines. The result is mass confusion. The DGAs are useless and ineffective and often unhealthy for many when followed. Attempting to change the DGAs has become a war of dietary politics. People must learn how to eat to for themselves to realize better health, and this is difficult for many individuals. The gross distortion comes from the pharmaceutical and medical companies telling people they can be treated with pills and shots that may help them achieve a noticeable difference in a mirror, on a scale, meter, or other "test of symptoms," but that difference is often continued poor health and a greatly reduced health span. Then consider the food companies who advertise healthy foods that are anything but. It's a confusing world out there, and those that do best are those who perform their own research and N=1 studies to learn exactly what works for them. Many are not willing or able to do that. |
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Sorry to misunderstand - I probably should have said that there's the *official* healthy way to eat (low fat, minimal protein, 300 g carbs daily) - and that IMO is the primary problem, because I really do see that there's a whole political and money trail involved in the DGAs. The pharmaceutical companies see the health problems (whether the problems stemmed from diet, lifestyle, or were of genetic, viral, or bacterial origin) and develop drugs to address those problems. That's their entire business model - produce drugs to address health problems. (and often produce more drugs to deal with the side effects of other drugs, but that's getting into another whole matter) It's not their job to figure out where the health problems came from to begin with, nor is it their job to research what is truly the healthiest diet and lifestyle advice - that comes from the panels doling out dietary and lifestyle advice. (which is then passed on to Dr's and nutritionists and journalists and then the general public hears the official advice from all these authorities and assume they must know what's best) All the other ways of eating (various versions of low carb, keto etc) are always almost immediately and universally *officially* dismissed as dangerous by the ones who come up with the DGA (and the Drs and nutritionists), or at best are only deemed viable for a short amount of time before they become dangerous. Then you need to go right back to the DGA's because that's the *official* healthy diet. Never mind that the *officially* healthy way to eat will eventually put so many people in need of shots and pills and surgeries to deal with the problems that the DGAs create. (And that's just the ones who follow the DGAs - the ones who end up with with the worst problems the fastest are the ones who just eat whatever junk food is handy or sounds good: burgers and extra large fries washed down with 2 liters of sugary soda every single day, or a diet of donuts, cookies, chips, and candy washed down with Starbucks coffee shakes and energy drinks) You're exactly right that those who work on figuring out what diet works best for them will do better - but it does take a lot of time and effort, plus determination to do that. And you're also quite right that most people either don't know how to do that or aren't willing to go to the bother - they have other priorities that occupy their time and their minds, and as far as they're concerned, everything is fine until they end up with a problem, and any problems they end up with are not really their problem to deal with - it's up to the Dr's to reach into their bag of drugs and fix the problem. They go into the Dr's exam room with the attitude of "I feel really terrible -YOU need to do something to fix it" instead of "I really messed up and now I feel terrible, please tell me what can I do to feel better" |
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