How an all-beef diet cured depression
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...ssion-7hrxc97bq |
I love beef and cant imagine a life without it however......commercially produced beef is not the same meat that the Inuit traditionally eat, not the Masi people.
Inuit traditional foods are wild caught, not grain fed. ANd not limited to one type of meat. Seal, fish, whale, bear, caribou. All wild caught traditionally. ANimals that never saw grain, antibiotics, pesticides. Same for the Masi, whose cattle grazed on the wild scrublands. No pesticides, no antibiotics, no grains. There is no mention of the source of their beef. Is it the commercial beef commonly in the grocery stores, or is it from a natural producer that focuses on grass feeding which in turn lowers or minimizes pesticides, antibiotics and can eliminate herbicides. There is no mention of their beef coming from one farm or a variety of farms. The brain is a complicated organ, and depression is a complicated issue. Again there is no mention of not addressing any other option that might impacct their outcome. DO they sit out on the porch more to eat their burgers? Or if grassfed, the extra A and D supports better brain health? Or if grassfed, the omega 3 and omega 6 is in an ideal balance, for brain health?? I love beef, but see too many unanswered questions. |
Thanks Demi for posting such interesting articles. Keep it up.
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Wonder where Mosley got the Inuit-->heart disease thing? Maybe here;
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12535749 Quote:
Just an abstract, but one I'm willing to go to town with. :lol: The red Quote:
Yuh. Translation: we tossed the older data that actually involves Inuit living on their traditional, pre-Columbus diet. To represent the "traditional" non-Westernized diet--we take the data of later years, when things like fried bread are already considered "traditional" Inuit foods. The earliest exposure to Western food--refined wheat flour, sugar, dense foods that could more affordably be shipped to remote places. There's also the question of access to tobacco at various different time points. And increasing access to modern medicine that coincides with westernization. And... |
A study I stumbled upon many years ago, and no longer have the link:
Many Inuit communities were receiveing food from the AMerican government back in the 1920'. Enought that tooth decay was well established among the recipients, whereas those on a more traditional diet had much fewer cavieties. |
I think grain-fed is fine. At least for the people who eat it in the right dietary context. There's good evidence for the value of a low carb or ketogenic diet, I don't see a lot for grain-fed being deadly vs. grass-fed. I'm with Dr. Westman on not pricing people right out of a healthy diet without solid evidence.
I hate the slant of the article that tried to make the Peterson's diet political. It's not. |
In GCBC, Gary Taubes discussed dental issues being worsened after native populations adopted westernized eating patterns. The diseases of civilization are many and varied.
And from the above article: “His (Hebert’s) work aligns with emerging theories about depression and inflammation. Herbert now restricts his meat intake to special occasions. His team’s research suggests that “we can provoke the same outcome on mental health as stress by messing with diet”. By “messing” he means reducing vegetables and wholegrains and upping sugar and meat.” SUGAR and meat. Gee, what’s truly inflammatory. :q: |
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That's what stuck out to me also, sugar and meat in the same breath (or the same mouthful). This is a truly foolish uninformative article. I suffered from severe depression most of my adult life until I switched to a low carb/ketogenic diet. I didn't need to switch to a 0 carb all beef diet which doesn't mean it isn't effective, but why? Is it what one is eating or what one is not eating or some combination of the two? Dr Georgia Ede writes a lot about diet and mental health. I'd much rather read what she has to say. http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/blog/ |
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The Omega 3 and omega 6 are out of wack. It is because grain fed animals are very high in omega 6. ANd lower in omega 3. Animals do not eat grains, unless provided by humans. The imflammation levels due to this imbalance is not healthy. We are spoiled by cheap meats. ANd it is killing us. |
Agree with that not pricing people out of a healthy diet concept. Grass-fed high quality would be great but is beyond my food budget, as well as conventionally produced nicer cuts like rib-eye unless there's a spectacular sales event to stock up on. So far I think I'm better off doing my N=1 all animal foods experiment with the cheaper conventional cuts than not doing it at all due to the cost of better quality. I'll continue to see how things go.
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Never heard that before. I've found I feel less like eating meat as I've gotten older, but I'm not 65 yet! The thing about depression and diet is that everyone's different, and I suspect most of us are not all the way one way or another on a particular spectrum such as "all beef", but rather some of this and some of that. Serotonin gets short shrift in a very low carb diet which clearly works for some people just as they may have responded to a norepinephrine boosting anti-depressant; for others, it's an SSRI which would probably correspond to a higher carb diet or some other intervention. Or a combination. It's maddening that depression is not investigated more in terms of diet and nutrition. I've found, for instance, that to be ok I seem to need more than an average amount of magnesium. |
None of the research quoted is about people deliberately eating only meat/animal foods trying to improve their health, and it's mainly just correlation studies that can show people who eat more meat (when they believe it's not healthy because Dr. or government chart says so) likely don't care about their health much. And they keep talking about "inflammatory" foods. Yes, I think that is a problem for depression and eliminating those foods could be highly beneficial. But meat isn't one of them. Meat tends to be one of the very low inflammation foods.
Increased meat and sugar? Yeah, that'll cause some problems because they've lumped in sugar with the meat. Washing down that meat in the big bun with a coke? Yeah that kind of high meat consumption is a problem. Not the same as an all meat diet at all. Can't predict the results of one from the other. |
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This argument may fly for pork and chicken, not so much for beef and other ruminants, the polyunsaturated fat that actually makes it into their flesh and milk is very low, omega 3 or 6. The ratio of 3:6 is higher with grass than with grain fed, but absolute numbers are low enough that it probably doesn't matter. I'm probably less worried than average in the low carb community about omega 6 fatty acids anyways. But enough of my dietary fat comes from low-polyunsaturate dairy fat that my bet is sort of hedged, my absolute omega 6 intake is fairly low. |
This is Dr Edes article on the study and why it should be tossed out.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...ptsd-or-does-it IMO we need studies that start with eating healthy foods all the time. Otherwise I am past tired of meat studies that dont recognize the diferences between organic/ non-organic and grassfed/non-grassfed. I remember Dr Owen, PhD teaching a class at UMO, when talking about the toxicity of adipose tissue. He was refering to a fellow professor that was over weight and didnt want to release the stored toxins by going on a diet to shed that extra body weight. The fat soluable toxins are by far the worst because the fatty tissues suck them up. These men were from the department of WIldlife Biology and Management, not even from the Agriculture Department of ANimal Science and Human Diets. |
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I do look forward to studies showing any benefit to grassfed vs. non-grassfed. Recognizing differences won't really help until there's work done to show that the one is genuinely helpful (or conversely, the other genuinely harmful) vs. the other. It doesn't work for me to criticize a bit of epidemiology that doesn't actually show causation and is hopelessly confounded by saying "yeah, but that's in grain fed beef." First somebody has to actually pin something on the grain fed beef. And if they did--until there was evidence otherwise, I'd have to hold grassfed beef under suspicion as well, because the two have more in common than they have differences. edited to fix "hopefully" to the intended "hopelessly." Autospell run amuck, or Freudian slip? :lol: |
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