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ojoj Sat, Feb-13-16 07:29

Tim Noakes: ‘Why I won’t practise medicine of failure’
 
http://www.biznews.com/low-carb-hea...e-banting-lchf/

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University of Cape Town deputy vice chancellor and law professor Danie Visser calls emeritus professor Tim Noakes a “force in the world”. The Health Professions Council of South Africa (HPCSA) is more likely to call Noakes a tsunami. When the HPCSA resumed its hearing this week against Noakes on a charge of unprofessional conduct for giving unconventional advice to a breastfeeding mother on Twitter, he deluged its legal team with research to show he had been neither unprofessional nor was the advice he gave not evidence-based. If the HPCSA hoped the new addition to its legal team, advocate Ajay Bhoopchand who is also a medical doctor, would stem Noakes’ defensive tide, it was wrong. Bhoopchand tried hard to stop Noakes presenting evidence on the influence of food and soft drink industries on dietary guidelines and nutrition advice, saying it was ‘irrelevant’, he was ‘lecturing’ and giving ‘too much minutiae and detail’. Noakes’ own medical doctor advocate Ravin ‘Rocky’ Ramdass explained the relevance in minute detail to Bhoopchand. Chair of the HPCSA panel hearing the charge against Noakes, Pretoria advocate Joan Adams, overruled Bhoopchand, saying it was not in the interests of fairness or justice for the HPCSA to charge Noakes with giving advice that was not evidence-based, then stop him presenting evidence to show his advice was evidence-based.1

Bhoopchand was powerless to stop Noakes in full sail as he waded into these vested interests worldwide, showing how they are embedded in academia, have bought off top scientists and academics, sponsor dietitians’ associations – including the Association for Dietetics in SA (ADSA), whose former president, Claire Julsing Strydom, laid the complaint that led to the charge against him – to spin their products, and influence dietary guidelines, nutrition advice and our ideas about obesity and weight loss. He showed how food and soft-drinks industries have made low-fat, high-carb foods the dominant ‘conventional’ dietary paradigm without any science to back it up, contributing to global epidemics of obesity, heart disease, diabetes to name but a few. Noakes took special aim at the sugar industry, but had many other targets, including his own profession, saying doctors were telling patients diabetes was incurable when they had the means to reverse it: ’We are practising medicine of failure. I don’t want to practice that kind of medicine.’ He also explained – in minute detail – why heart disease in future will be treated not by cardiologists, but by hepatologists (liver specialists). In this fourth part of a series, science and business writer Rob Worthington-Smith looks at Noakes’ views on how and why obesity and heart disease began in the cradle of civilisation. – Marika Sboros

By Rob Worthington-Smith

Tim Noakes
Prof Tim Noakes (left) and advocate Dr Ravin ‘Rocky’ Ramdass. Picture: copyright Jonno Proudfoot
Part Three was dedicated to understanding the importance of mankind’s early evolution from largely herbivorous ape to largely carnivorous hunter. We saw that it took 100,000 generations for our ancestors to develop the brain we have today, and to lose three quarters of our large colon-dominated digestive tract. Lithe and trim, we became, in Professor Noakes’ words, uniquely advantaged as mid-day persistence hunters, subsisting predominantly on nutrient-rich animal foods.

Then, in the blink of the evolutionary eye, we discovered how to farm grains, forcing our ancestors to settle in one place, but thus allowing the development of new technologies, complex societies, more complex governance structures, art and language, and material wealth.

It is easy to understand that such rapid progress has brought with it detrimental consequences to our lifestyle and our health. But should we be putting our trust in a story sponsored by Big Food and Big Pharm? Yes, rich (fatty) eating and a paucity of exercise fits well with the development of modern cuisine and an environment aimed at sedentary and convenient living. It is an easily accepted story, well advertised by the agricultural revolution’s modern successors.

Rob Worthing-Smith
Rob Worthing-Smith
However, there are serious flaws in the logic of this story. If our digestive tract had evolved for a carnivorous diet over 99.6% of its evolutionary journey, could it not actually be the high prevalence of carbohydrate in the modern diet (whether in the form of starch or sugar) that is making us ill?

Noakes will be presenting this hypothesis via a number of avenues, including the science behind the body’s metabolic pathways (to be described in Part Five). Here we will go through the evidence that has emerged from population studies, described below:

Firstly, researchers have found that the most obese and unhealthy populations have been those living in impoverished conditions, often expending considerable energy through manual work.

One such population cited in the research was identified in South Africa, back in the 1920s. Others, identified around the same time, were found living on reservations in North America. Further, these populations were all eating relatively low fat diets, with most energy being consumed in the form of grain-based staples.

Secondly, the biggest health disaster facing populations around the world is the growing incidence of Type 2 Diabetes (the Afrikaans term is suikersiekte, or sugar sickness). Some 12% of all South African adults are already diabetic, and it is expected that double this number will be diabetic by the year 2040. This increase begins 20 years after the introduction of the 1977 US Dietary Guidelines that promoted the adoption of diets high in carbohydrates and based on cereals and grains.

Read also: Tim Noakes: why I’ve been waiting for this trial for years

This is compatible with the finding that populations that undergo the transition to this modern industrial diet begin to develop diabetes 20 years after the dietary change. There is growing evidence that persons with Type 2 Diabetes dramatically improve their health when they restrict their dietary carbohydrate intakes.

Third, for Noakes’ hypothesis to be true, even early civilisations that converted to carbs should show evidence of metabolic disease. Indeed, this is exactly what the evidence has shown. A standard indicator of the existence of hunter populations versus farmer populations used by archaeologists when excavating burial sites is the state of dental decay in skeletal remains. In practically every recorded case, hunter populations show healthy teeth and bones, while settler populations eating grains show evidence of tooth caries and decay, malnutrition and stunted growth.

Possibly the most fascinating evidence comes from studies of Egyptian mummies. The ancient Egyptians built their civilisation on the cultivation of wheat and were even nicknamed ‘Artophagoi’, or eaters of bread. Stable isotope analysis of the well-preserved remains of these mummies confirms that relatively little protein in their diet was of animal origin. Further, this was at a time when no sugar was available, nor any transfats as found in manufactured “vegetable oils” and margarine. We can be assured they were not eating junk food. In fact, their diet was almost exactly the same as that recommended in our South African dietary guidelines (in turn based on the 1977 US dietary guidelines).

And yet, heart disease was rife in this ancient population! Recent studies of hundreds of mummies dating from around 1500 BC and ranging across the lower-, middle-, and upper classes, has found overwhelming evidence of atherosclerosis and heart disease, often in individuals as young as their late twenties and early thirties. These studies confirm the findings of earlier studies conducted using basic dissection of preserved mummy tissue early in the 20th century. These people were not healthy; inded surviving statuary confirms that many carried considerable adipose fat around their midriffs.

Read also: Noakes, low-carb, high-fat on trial: will the evidence ruin a good story?

The association between a high, but apparently healthy, carbohydrate diet and metabolic disease is strong, but does it make the case for causation?

Noakes’ final exhibits come from studies of different human populations, the Plains Indians and the Masai warrior tribes. Both have been described as tall and athletic, and exhibiting none of the symptoms of metabolic disease. The Plains Indians co-evolved with the North American Bison and, until the time of the American Civil War, were predominantly hunters. Once the bison were shot out by advancing frontiersmen, these people were forced to eat a Western diet of cereals, grains and processed foods. They are now amongst the most obese populations in America.

The rural Masai have remained healthy, eating meat and drinking blood and cows milk, a typical LCHF diet. Their urban cousins have been less fortunate, as comparative studies have shown.

In Southern Africa, local nations, in particular the Zulu-speakers, derived most of their diet from their vast herds of Nguni cattle. After the Anglo-Zulu war, these herds were destroyed and further calamity came towards the end of the 19th century, when cattle disease (the Rinderpest) wiped out more than 5.2 million head of cattle south of the Zambezi.

Considering the growing mining industry in South Africa and the requirement to provide energy-rich food for the labour force, the colonial government encouraged the establishment of the so-called maize triangle, providing a cheap, staple food, but transforming the nation’s diet within a few decades from animal fat-based energy to carbohydrate derived energy.

While this evidence may not prove causation, the correlation between populations free of metabolic disease and a protein/fat-rich diet is high, as is the correlation between populations eating a high carb diet and metabolic disease.

Can Noakes move beyond association to causation? Can he make the case that the main cause of obesity, diabetes, heart disease and other symptoms of metabolic disease is not the high-fat diet of our early ancestors, but the apparently healthy carbohydrate diet that became the predominant source of energy after the agricultural revolution?

As a corollary, the introduction of sugar into our diets towards the end of the 19th century, and of the development of corn syrup in the 1960s as a key ingredient in the manufacture of processed food products only accelerated what was already a slippery path towards widespread metabolic disease, so prevalent in our society today.

In the next article, we’ll look for causation in the science behind insulin resistance, its role in obesity and the metabolic syndrome.

Rob Worthington-Smith is a science and business writer. While his day job is to analyse companies’ non-financial capitals for the responsible investor, he also pursues a wide range of interests including evolutionary biology and behavioural economics. Rob enjoys the challenge of bringing perspective to contentious issues, such as the moral landscape, how to address inequality in a developing economy, progressive approaches to education, parenting (as a widowed, single parent of four), and the science and pseudo-science behind health and nutrition. Worthington-Smith holds a BSc Honours degree in Agricultural Economics from Stellenbosch University. Disclosure: Whilst as yet undecided on every aspect of the issue, Rob is currently working with Prof TIm Noakes to bring perspective and balance to the current debate on dietary guidelines.


Jo xxx

RonnieScot Sat, Feb-13-16 09:09

Sounds like he's running rings round them :lol:

Thank you for posting this, I've been looking for further updates of the trial every week or so, and not found much, so thanks!

M Levac Sat, Feb-13-16 13:09

Tim Noakes rules indeed. He's got a top notch legal team to back him up. I read a few more articles on it just now and he's kicking butt all over the place. It could trickle down to the rest of the world, create a precedent as it were. We'll see.

ojoj Sat, Feb-13-16 15:12

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Originally Posted by M Levac
Tim Noakes rules indeed. He's got a top notch legal team to back him up. I read a few more articles on it just now and he's kicking butt all over the place. It could trickle down to the rest of the world, create a precedent as it were. We'll see.


Yes, Noakes is certainly stirring the "brown stuff". Whether it will "trickle down (??)", I'm sure it'll be covered up, but who knows???

Jo xxx

M Levac Sat, Feb-13-16 15:14

Ronnie, do a quick search for "Tim Noakes" on the same page as the article and you'll find many more articles about the trial. That's what I've been reading for the past several hours earlier today.

M Levac Sat, Feb-13-16 15:26

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Originally Posted by ojoj
Yes, Noakes is certainly stirring the "brown stuff". Whether it will "trickle down (??)", I'm sure it'll be covered up, but who knows???

Jo xxx

Euh, I didn't mean to make a pun with brown stuff and trickle down, hehe. I meant once the trial ends, if it ends in favor of Noakes, it's going to be used by others elsewhere as precedent. The thing is the complaint used the phrase "not evidence-based", and Noakes is presenting all kinds of evidence in his defense. I don't think it's ever been done like this before, I mean in the context of law/diet/health. It's a big deal.

ojoj Sat, Feb-13-16 16:18

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Originally Posted by M Levac
Euh, I didn't mean to make a pun with brown stuff and trickle down, hehe. I meant once the trial ends, if it ends in favor of Noakes, it's going to be used by others elsewhere as precedent. The thing is the complaint used the phrase "not evidence-based", and Noakes is presenting all kinds of evidence in his defense. I don't think it's ever been done like this before, I mean in the context of law/diet/health. It's a big deal.


PMSL - I know!!! I dont believe the food/pharma industries, will let this go worldwide without a fight

Jo xxx

dex Wed, Apr-06-16 15:07

Tim Noakes on Trial
 
Tim Noakes on Trial
After tweeting controversial low-carb, high-fat advice to the mother of an infant, Noakes, an influential author and researcher, is in the fight of his professional life.

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South Africa’s regulatory body for health professionals lodged a formal complaint and has been holding a series of hearings against him generally reserved for doctors who commit fraud or harm patients. His medical license is at stake. Noakes’s detractors see a respected, powerful person who gave dangerous advice. He and his supporters and lawyers see a personal vendetta against a contrarian prompted by food companies that need people to eat carbs.


http://www.runnersworld.com/general...noakes-on-trial

Just Jo Wed, Apr-06-16 16:49

WOW thanks for sharing that, Dex! Good for Tim Noakes!

I hope that people continue to hear his message about low-carb!

bluesinger Wed, Apr-06-16 20:11

We live in an upside-down world, where doctors are encouraged to poison us with drugs and give us nutritional advice which leads to disease.

The idea that Dr. Noakes is undergoing what I consider judicial persecution in unthinkable.

His advice offers wellness. The medical hierarchy offers sickness.

I'm appalled. I thought such things could only happen here in the USA.

RonnieScot Thu, Apr-07-16 00:41

Maybe the trial would make a good film? Would be a good way of getting the information to a more mainstream audience?

JEY100 Thu, Apr-07-16 04:54

Tim Noakes was already featured in the first Cereal Kilers movie, the producer did his diet experiments in South Africa.
The second Cereal Killers features more of Dr Phinney and endurance performance on high-fat (rowing from CA to HI unassisted) Both films are available with the DietDoctor membership.

RonnieScot Thu, Apr-07-16 05:56

I have seen those :) But not very mainstream.
I was thinking Hollywood blockbuster; With the low advert voice over:
"In a world of disease... Only one MAN had the answer... And he couldn't be silenced!" Yada, yada, yada.

Bintang Thu, Apr-07-16 07:55

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Originally Posted by RonnieScot
I have seen those :) But not very mainstream.
I was thinking Hollywood blockbuster; With the low advert voice over:
"In a world of disease... Only one MAN had the answer... And he couldn't be silenced!" Yada, yada, yada.


Well so far the story doesn't even make the mainstream media let alone Hollywood.
Doing a Google search with, "Tim Noakes trial", delivers precious little by way of news.
I think the vested interests will be doing everything possible to hose down this story.

Meme#1 Thu, Apr-07-16 10:56

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Well so far the story doesn't even make the mainstream media let alone Hollywood.
Doing a Google search with, "Tim Noakes trial", delivers precious little by way of news.
I think the vested interests will be doing everything possible to hose down this story.

You are right about not finding much when you Google. Big Pharma/Agra have ghost writers as well as moles and they post so much on social media in an effort to bury the truthful posts. Maybe we will see his article/post on page 38 of a Google search, if at all.

jschwab Thu, Apr-07-16 12:41

The Lore of Running was my favorite running book back when I was training a lot. I like Noakes and I hope he wins. He's very smart to fight it.

JEY100 Wed, Apr-13-16 05:49

Detailed review of the Evidence presented by Dr. Noakes:

http://foodmed.net/2016/04/13/noake...e-lchf-banting/

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ONE of many revelations coming out of the so-called ‘Nutrition Trial of the Century’ against Cape Town University emeritus professor Dr Tim Noakes is the real benefit for hearts of low-carb, high-fat (LCHF) diets on hearts. It’s not what many orthodox medical doctors and dietitians will tell you. Here, Noakes, a world-renowned scientist with an A1 rating in sports science as well as nutrition, says conventional ‘wisdom’ that says fat in the diet equals fat in your arteries is wrong. It is the ‘direct cause of an epidemic of arterial disease that will consume most of our medical resources within the next 10-20 years’. In Part 1, Noakes takes special aim at the evidence a surprise witness would have given when the Health Professions Council of SA tried to call him to clinch its failing case against him at the February session of the hearing: Prof Jacques Roussouw, former head of the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) Women’s Health Institute. All Roussouw and the NIH would tell me is they couldn’t give him permission in time to attend. In Part 2 tomorrow, Noakes looks at why science got it so wrong for so long. – Marika Sboros

JEY100 Thu, Apr-14-16 05:03

Part two is up now:

It's the Fatty Liver Disease, Stupid

http://foodmed.net/2016/04/14/noake...d-lchf-banting/

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DOCTORS often terrify patients out of their wits for no good reason, says University of Cape Town emeritus professor Dr Tim Noakes. Not because doctors are bad people. They just aren’t all that jacked up on sciencce, and how to tell relative from absolute risk, says Noakes, a world-renowned scientist. Many doctors don’t know that they don’t know vital information about heart disease: that for many patients it’s not their tickers but their livers that are the problem. In other words, ‘it’s the fatty liver disease, stupid’, says Noakes. Harsh? Yes. True? Well, take a look at the science he presents below and make up your own mind. In Part 1, Noakes looked at evidence to show that advice doctors give to patients about low-fat foods protecting them from heart disease is all wrong. Here he looks at why insulin resistance is not spoken about in polite medical circles, and what the most abused term in medicine really is.


This is a brilliant summary of his trial data...all the studies are being posted on the website, with links in these two sections.

Bintang Thu, Apr-14-16 05:24

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This is a brilliant summary of his trial data...all the studies are being posted on the website, with links in these two sections.


Janet,
Have you located any reports that explain the current status of the trial? It resumed in February but presumably has been adjourned again? For how long? What are the next steps? When will it end?
I have searched extensively but cannot find any answers.

JEY100 Thu, Apr-14-16 05:58

We all wonder when it will end! But believe it or not, it was adjourned yet again and will resume on October 17th.

A detailed summary of the trial https://www.biznews.com/low-carb-he...e-banting-lchf/

Bintang Thu, Apr-14-16 10:37

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Originally Posted by JEY100
We all wonder when it will end! But believe it or not, it was adjourned yet again and will resume on October 17th.

A detailed summary of the trial https://www.biznews.com/low-carb-he...e-banting-lchf/


Another really excellent article on the subject. Somehow you must have a better search engine than me to find all this.

JEY100 Fri, Apr-15-16 03:47

:lol: :lol: I use Duck, Duck, Go so all my crazy health related searches aren't tracked ... Google decided I had every major disease known to mankind and fed ads for every new drug. Sometimes use !G on DDG to use google without be tracked and its works well (DDG is built in Macs and I clear out history and cookies weekly).

But as with the library it helps to already know what you are looking for :lol: M. Sboros was the reporter who covered the trial, so search was Tim Noakes trial resumes + Sboros. It is not so much the engine, but specific keywords and using BooLean Connectors +, -, "", and other qualifiers. The + is helpful when using the Advanced Search box on this forum to narrow down the result to a year or user.

Bintang Fri, Apr-15-16 04:43

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... Google decided I had every major disease known to mankind and fed ads for every new drug.


Thanks for the explanation. That's very funny about Google. Also shows how screwed up their algorithms are. If they really wanted to sell low carbers anything they should be sending us adverts for eggs and butter and cream and anything else with plenty of saturated fat and cholesterol.

WereBear Mon, Apr-18-16 05:46

You are so good at it, Janice, thanks for tips!

I think a trial might be a dramatic way to turn things around. What a movie it would make!

JEY100 Tue, May-17-16 11:28

As Dr Noakes promised, The Noakes Foundation is beginning to post all his testimony, slides and evidence for his statements. This is only the first of many days of trial ( and not over yet! ) but if you have the time....
http://www.thenoakesfoundation.org/...art-1?news=blog

Elihnig Sun, May-29-16 09:53

Adblock plus seems to work well.

Beth

JEY100 Sat, Sep-17-16 03:12

Just an update...

I know it is hard to believe this trial is still open, and will not resume until next month, but news is trickling out on the experts being flown in ... Dr Zoe Harcombe and Nina Teicholz.

http://foodmed.net/2016/09/16/tim-n...combe-teicholz/

deirdra Sat, Sep-17-16 08:02

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Originally Posted by JEY100
I know it is hard to believe this trial is still open, and will not resume until next month, but news is trickling out on the experts being flown in ... Dr Zoe Harcombe and Nina Teicholz.
Well that sounds promising.

JEY100 Tue, Oct-11-16 04:37

Three women diet experts now...dubbed "Tim's Angels". An update on the trial, restarting Oct 17th, with concerns how the prosecution might try to block testimony from this dream team of Dr Harcombe, Nina Teicholz and Dr Caryn Zinn.

http://foodmed.net/2016/10/10/noake...ms-angels-lchf/

Dodger Wed, Oct-12-16 13:03

It's amazing that the 'trial' is still going on.


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