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squidgy
Sat, Jul-27-02, 17:01
Am I really depressed? Or am I just a lazy slovenly unsociable hypochondriac with a chip on my shoulder?

Course, there's always been the thought in the back of my mind that the only time you go to the doc and make out you're depressed and get your SSRI's is when the bloke that sorts you out with something for the weekend gets busted and you can't nose out a new one ..... but no-one's ever really depressed, are they? I mean, not really? You'd never admit to it really, would you?

Here's my issue. My mum is convinced I'm depressed. Well, okay, maybe not convinced, but she thinks it's depression, she compares the way that I behave to the way that my sister behaves, and when my sister behaves the way I do, she gets given Prozac for it. At least that's what my mum says anyway. And my sister reckons it helps her.

Not that this ever happens to me, though. Not that I want SSRI's for the reasons I've given, but I do want some sort of help. But it's not forthcoming. I've been to see my doctor over ten times this year already. Perhaps my communication skills just aren't very good. He's already asked for, ummm, a break from me for a few months, and wants me to start seeing one of his colleagues in the surgery instead. Hmph. Have I upset him? I didn't mean to .....

I don't know if there's anything clinically wrong with me, but there are a few things about how my life has panned out that I just can't deny, and which don't seem normal to me. They are, the fact that I've lived in the same tiny bedsit for over six years. Most of my neighbours move out after only a few months but I really can't see the point. It's a grim place. I could be more houseproud. There are days when I wake up in the morning, but don't actually get dressed for like, six or eight hours afterwards, because I don't see the point. I struggle to hold down a job for more than a few months at a time, regardless of what it is, and despite schooling and qualifications. Not good at shopping round. Hate shopping at all, in fact, so tend to buy first overpriced things I see. By 'eck does this show on the credit card statements. Sure there's benefits like sick pay but I never bother claiming them - after all, I'm not really ill, am I? Well, I can't convince doctor of it anyway. Perhaps I don't really deserve it.

And what about my friends? Friends? Now and then, I actually have friends. But not very often, I'm a bit aloof. I feel lonely a lot of the time, but am scared of making a fool of myself. Okay, I suppose I'm just scared to meet new people, and don't want to make the effort. When I do have friends, the friendships don't tend to last for more than a few months before I do something really silly that blows it. And I can forget about the idea of anyone wanting a more serious relationship with me, let's face it, it's not going to happen.

Sure I've started low carbing, and sure I'm trying to give up smoking, but I don't really see the point, because I honestly don't feel any better for either of these things. :(

My mum, bless her, she cares. But she seems to be critical of my lifestyle, as if all my health problems are my fault. I don't take it very well, and therefore tend to try to avoid her. Thing is, I know that some of my problems really are my fault, but hey, I don't want to hear that, it doesn't help me now. She's full of advice, but gives it in a way which makes me think that I'm stupid if I don't take it. I guess she probably doesn't intend it to sound like this but that's how I read it. There have been times when I cut my arms with a razor blade within minutes of talking to her.

People are going to say pull yourself together. But I really can't keep putting up the front. I've tried. And it hasn't got me anywhere.

But I don't know, maybe I should stop being so lazy and stupid. I once said straight out to the doctor that I thought I was depressed. He then asked me a few questions, about eating and sleeping habits, which I think I fluffed up the answers to, because I didn't want to come across as sounding stupid. He said that I don't come across as being depressed. And that was that. No-one in the surgery has even wanted to entertain the idea since then.

Maybe they don't want to go down that road because of my history, though? I was rushed into hospital for amphetamine overdose in 1995, which now haunts my medical record. I've also had two fairly serious head injuries, one of which I had to stay in hospital for a week for - oh, and I happened to have glandular fever at the time, although it wasn't diagnosed until later, and was misdiagnosed as tonsilitis at first, and I got given antibiotics.

More recently doc diagnosed anxiety and prescribed beta blockers. But they really didn't help. I find that I tend to fall asleep during the day, and my sleeping habits are all over the place, which kinda makes it awkward to control my life, or make any work or social arrangements. Beta blockers made this worse. The only way in which they helped was that they occasionally made me feel a bit more calm if I ever got into a flap about anything. Not that that helps me sort thing out, though. But the doctor thinks I ought to carry on taking them. Obviously I don't. I had hoped that low carbing would help here, but to be totally honest, it hasn't made much difference at all.

I don't feel any better or happier, and it's been the same story for years. I really don't see the point if it's going to carry on like this. The main thing that stops me killing myself or doing anything too dangerous is a bit like that Queer As Folk cocaine overdose porn discovery storyline - I'm worried that relatives will uncover all the things hidden by the clutter in my room that I'm embarrassed about. Like the unusually large stock of paracetamol. And double edged razor blades lying around in all sorts of odd places. Plus other things. Course, if I tidied my flat, then these reasons would no longer apply .....

Oh hey, I don't want to make it out to be worse than it really is, it's embarrassing enough to say all this as it is. Help! Anyone able to offer any words of advice? Thanks.

jaykay
Sat, Jul-27-02, 21:25
Hey Squidgy, well done for getting brave enough for saying this stuff - cos it is hard.
Yes - you're depressed, I'd say, having been there myself.
That 'what's the point of 'eating, getting dressed, talking to anyone', ie living normally is depression.
Its not something you can pull yourself together about, anymore than you can pull yourself together about having flu.
Its a chemical inbalance and lots of us need help in fixing it.
Your doctor sounds like a numbskull, but then, some are. I did the same when I was depressed, kept going to see mine, hoping he'd click and help. But he didn't, until I actually went in and said 'I think I may be depressed' and went through all the stuff.
Some of them are much better with easy stuff like broken legs than they are with vaguer stuff like this.
So - see someone else in the practice and be upfront with them - forget sounding stupid and do the whole bit, including 'can't see the point carrying on like this, might as well be dead, if I could be bothered to do that', it tends to make them take some notice.
So, you did amphet. So what. That doesn't mean you're not depressed and it doesn't make you not their responsibility.

I really hope you get this sorted, cos there is life the other side and its great! But you do need to get help to get there.

I really feel for you, its a horrid place to be! Have some hugs to keep you going for a bit and make those bloody doctors listen!!
Take care, Jay :wave:
:bhug: :bhug: :bhug: :bhug: :bhug:

Lunula
Mon, Jul-29-02, 08:32
I am not a doctor, nor do I believe in the godliness of doctors - they are as fallible as any of us, and unfortunately, they are fallible about the lives & health of others many times.

I won't go into my life story here, as this post is about you and it should stay there. I will say this, when I finally decided I had to get help for my depression (after razor blade cutting as a child, suicide attempts, recreational drug-use, etc., etc.) I had so many doctors that didn't want to hear what was wrong with me, and only wanted to give me a pill to make me happy.

Unfortunately, they don't work - and if they do work "a little" - you have to stay on them for the rest of your life - and who wants to be chained to a pill like that?

I found myself a counselor who could help me (after a few who didn't) and I commited myself to it. The key for me was finding one who I could relate to, one who had gone through some similar life experiences, one who wasn't afraid of opening up to me a little and one who didn't want to get me hooked on Paxil, Prozac, etc., etc. You MUST have faith & trust in the person treating you, otherwise, you can go for 10 years and you won't get what you need from it.

Diet & exercise honestly are a good place to start - when you get your body in better shape and feel physically better, it is easier to work on all those distortions in your head. But then, find someone to talk to & work all this out, and keep going to new people until you find someone who knows what they're doing!!!

You ask if you're a "lazy slovenly unsociable hypochondriac with a chip on my shoulder" - that's sign number one to me that you are in a depression - because anyone with confidence, trust and love for him/herself wouldn't even ask that question. And don't be embarassed - give yourself a pat on the back for reaching out to others (that was always sooooo difficult for me)!

Sorry to be so long-winded!!

Best of luck to you & let us know how you're doing! :)

culliallen
Tue, Jul-30-02, 04:07
there's always been the thought in the back of my mind that the only time you go to the doc and make out you're depressed and get your SSRI's is when the bloke that sorts you out with something for the weekend gets busted and you can't nose out a new one .....

Dear Squidgy...

Give yourself a break! You do need help, and that's nothing to be ashamed of, at all. Everyone needs friends...healthy friends...to get us through life's hard times...and lets face it, much of life is difficult.

i take it i am quite a bit older than you are (i'm 48) but i've lived my life with loooong periods very much as you describe. And i am only going to put in my two cents for what they are worth. This is my own experience:

you're low carbing (bravo)...you're quitting smoking (good - i am too, and i do feel better)...but you are not feeling better :confused: .

might i just suggest, for a moment, that you give yourself a break from the "recreational" stuff???? i've been a user/abuser for many many years...and now i am truly in RECOVERy... :thup:

I have lots and lots of support in AA and NA...and things (i.e., me) are getting much much better.

Drugs are powerful mind twisters....your whole outlook will change if you do give yourself a break from them...and i assure you, if there are any AA/NA meetings in your areas (look em up in the book)....they will welcome you with open arms...

that support you get will help you in all areas of your life...i guarantee that...and these people can be great fun...no they don't do drugs or drink...but they are very good friends, and since they have been there they have great senses of humor and great empathy.

please...give it a try. you may even find yourself happy(???) for the first time in a while...

Be good to yourself.
Take a risk.
Make some friends.

culli :wave:

btw...this is just a suggestion...and you may need anti-depressants as well....you ARE lonely, sad and generally apathetic...which seem to be good indications of that...but I got hints that you are playing around with your own brain chemicals by what you said in your post (see quote, and also hospital history)...just keep an open mind.
c.

fiona
Tue, Jul-30-02, 15:40
Hey Squidgy

Hope this helps (http://positivepause.com/) you feel better for a few minutes.

Take Loving Gentle Care

culliallen
Tue, Jul-30-02, 16:32
:)

Feel much happier.

squidgy
Tue, Jul-30-02, 19:07
:eek: raw .... reason for slowness in replying is because I couldn't bring myself to look at this thread again, but thanks for replying .... :)

squidgy
Tue, Jul-30-02, 19:13
Wow, thanks ever so much, you're all absolute stars, am feeling a bit more confident again now. :) Will give a slightly more detailed follow up reply when something happens. :)

katiesmom
Tue, Nov-19-02, 11:07
Hi Squidgy,
I read your post quite a while after you wrote it so I hope you're feeling better at this time, but I still wanted to tell you my little story because I wasted so many years before I started getting better.
I'm 48 yrs old. I think perhaps I have always had the tendency toward depression, but I've spent my entire life self medicating, and it progressed to the point where I was such a mess I have no idea if I really am depressive or if all this self medication made me that way. I smoked pot from an early age on through quitting just six months ago. I didn't drink alcohol until I was 21 and then that gradually increased over the years until I turned into a full blown alcoholic, stopped drinking 6 months ago also. I have always been a functioning addicted person, worked very hard at hiding my dysfuntioning until I finally broke down.
I always thought I really needed my pot and alcohol to help me relax, and deal with life. This stuff is really poison for me. They're both depressants and depression just kept building and building for me. I thought I'd try to go on antidepressants about a year ago to help me stop drinking(I still wanted to smoke pot tho') I thought alcohol was really the only destructive thing I was doing. Now I know any mind altering substance is just deadly for me and I have to stay clean to feel better. I was unable to stop drinking with the antidepressants and the combination really is bad and made my depression much worse. Finally six months ago I was feeling so bad I was considering suicide, and I finally got help. I went through a program to get clean, and discovered that I could feel GOOD without all of this destructive behavior. I just didn't know how to stop. I'm still taking antidepressants, and I want to decrease my dosage and eventually stop them because I don't know how I'll feel without sabotage of alcohol and pot, and probably I will feel good just from having these depressants out of my system. I'm under Dr's care and supervision, and I know there will be a withdrawal period of getting the antidepressants out of my system, but I truly believe
being clean will make all of the difference in the world. I also just quit smoking 2 months ago, and I started exercising, and eliminating the bad sugars, caffeine, flour and other stuff by following this way of eating. I feel much better now. I just wish it hadn't taken me so many damn years to realize this. Fortunately I have good genes and I haven't done any damage
to my liver, kidneys, and the rest of my body, so I can hopefully live happily to a ripe old age, and actually enjoy it! Good luck to you, and please don't spend your life sabbotaging yourself like I did.