Atkins Induction to PP

[nikkiend]

I have been having much trouble getting the PP diet down pat in my mind to start it, so after many weeks of frustration and procrastination, I decided to go on Atkins Induction for 2 - 3 weeks so I can be LC'ing while fine-tuning PP for myself.
I'd like to hear from anyone who has started the diet this way and then got on PP after finishing induction. I'm worried that I will gain weight when I start PP. Any advice and/or experiences would be appreciated.

[lossiebeth]

WELL, I JUST RECENTLY (LIKE THE LAST WEEK) WENT FROM ATKINS TO PP MYSELF, AND HAVEN'T NOTICED ANY WEIGHT GAIN. IN FACT, I AM DOWN A POUND OR SO. I HAVE SYSTEMIC CANDIDA, WHICH STALLS WEIGHT LOSS, *AND* IT HAS JUST BEEN *THAT* TIME OF THE MONTH, SO TO GO DOWN AT ALL IS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.

I DID ATKINS INDUCTION IN MARCH AND LOST 9 POUNDS, THEN STUCK, WENT UP AND DOWN AND UP AND DOWN, UP...

I DECIDED TO GIVE PP A TRY, AND, ONCE RUSTPOT HELPED GET ME THROUGH THE ROCKET SCIENCE, IT SEEMS TO SUIT ME. I LIKE KNOWINGTHE EXACT (MINIMUM) AMOUNT OF PROTEIN TO AIM FOR. IT IS ALSO A RELIEF TO BE TOLD THAT "SKINNY VEG" AREN'T AS SCARY AS ALL THAT, SO NOT TO BE SO WORRIED ABOUT HOW MUCH LETTUCE I EAT, ETC.

I AM NOT SURE IF THIS IS ANY HELP, BUT MY ADVICE IS TO GIVE IT A TRY, AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, STICK WITH ATKINS. I LOVE DR. ATKINS, BUT FIND PROTEIN POWER THAT BIT EASIER ON ME.

[nikkiend]

Thanks, Beth,
That makes me feel better. I did read all of your problems with trying to calculate everything. I had the same problem. I work with numbers for a living and I recalculated 10 different times and kept showing that I should weigh between 109-116. I'm 5'7" tall! Even on the primitive charts, I should be at 135. I am not brave enough to put my measurements out there to get someone's help :o , so I'm just following PPLP's chart and planning to get 40 gms. of protein per meal.
I'm still trying to figure out exactly what to eat on PP. It's so much harder than Atkins! Are you figuring it out ok since Rustpot helped you through the numbers?

[lossiebeth]

I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SO THIN AT 5'7", SINCE I HAVE A GOAL OF 117-125 AT 5'3". THAT IS WEIRD.

YES, RUSTPOT :angel: THAT HE IS, DID MY NUMBERS FOR ME. I ACTUALLY HAD IT PRETTY NEAR RIGHT (THE SECOND TIME-THE FIRST TIME I FIGURED A GOAL WEIGHT OF 171-184 :lol: ), SO THAT WAS A SHOCK. IT WAS GOOD TO GET THE NUMBER CONFIRMED, THOUGH. I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE 125, WHEN I HAVE BEEN TOLD (EVEN AT SLIMMING CLUBS) THAT 140 WOULD BE ALRIGHT! :eek: STILL, WHO CARES, EITHER 125 OR 140 IS A *LONG* WAY FROM 195, SO I JUST NEED TO KEEP PLUGGING AWAY, THEN STOP WHEN *I* FEEL HAPPY.

MY PROTEIN IS LESS THAT I HAD FIGURED, AT 60 GRAMS A DAY INSTEAD OF THE 90 I THOUGHT, BUT I STILL AIM FOR HIGHER RATHER THAN LOWER.

THE THING IS, YOU AND I BOTH KNOW WE ARE NOT AT OUR GOAL WEIGHTS *NOW*, SO WHY FOCUS ON OUR ULTIMATE DESTINATION? ONCE YOU ARE AT A WEIGHT YOU FEEL HAPPIER ABOUT, *THEN* IS THE TIME TO ASK FOR HELP WITH THE FIGURING IF YOU STILL WANT TO. LUCKILY, I WAS JUST UNDER THE BIG 2-0-0 WHEN I DISCOVERED PP AND DECIDED TO ASK FOR HELP WTH THE FIGURING. THAT WAS A BIG HELP FOR ME. 200 IS QUITE A WATERSHED. ONCE I GOT UNDER THAT, I FELT I HAD HOPE.

JUST MY OPINION. HOPE IT HELPS.

[doreen T]

hi nikkiend,

Methinks 109 to 116 lbs might the calculation for your LEAN BODY MASS, not your total weight. Lean body mass (LBM) refers to the componenets of our body that aren't FAT, namely .... muscles, bones, organs. The reason it's important to have an idea of your LBM is so that you will know the minimum grams of PROTEIN you need to eat each day in order to maintain and nourish it :)

If your LBM is 109 - 116 lbs (and that sounds right if your basic bone structure is very slender) ... then you would calculate your total goal weight by adding the projected weight of body fat to that number. The Eades provide a chart of suggested BF% goals depending on gender and age; it's on page 83. Since I don't know your age, I'll just use 31 - 40 yrs female as an example -- which is 21 - 27%.

So, goal weight would range from 137.8 lbs (109 lbs LBM + 21% BF) to 158.9 lbs (116 lbs LBM + 27% BF)

If you're working out with weights/ resistance exercise, and eating lots of quality protein, you will likely increase your LBM over time, thus your goal weight may end up being higher. This is desirable :) ... muscles burn more fat at a higher rate, and take up less space than the same weight of fat. You might weigh more at the scales, but you'll be smaller and firmer. :)

Doreen

[nikkiend]

Thanks, Doreen.
You may be right, but I worked with those darned numbers for well over an hour and kept coming up with the same thing. I think I'm trying to make PP alot more complicated than it is anyway, without worrying about all of that. I know where I'll feel comfortable and that's what my goal is. Maybe once I get down to a more manageable weight and I start losing some decent inches, like Beth suggested, maybe I won't be so embarassed to let someone try and help me. PPLP does have a chart for people like me who just can't seem to figure out the numbers and it says 40 gms. of protein per meal which is what I'll use for now.
As long as I'm losing weight and/or inches, I'll be happy. :)

[Karen]

What worked for me - I did all the calculations and almost fainted when I discovered that my BF was 50% - was just to concentrate on getting adequate protein and keeping my carbs at 30 grams a day.

What may help you out is making a photocopy of your Protein Equivalency Chart and keeping it on the fridge. Also, the advice in this post: For Newbies - Carb Counting and Label Reading (http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=239553#post239553) can get off on the right foot.

Karen

[nikkiend]

Thanks, Karen. I'll check out the post you suggested and make a copy of the chart to put on my fridge.
I think I will do fine as long as I keep my carbs low and keep my protein up. I'm doing better about reading the books. I can't bring myself to sit and actually read them cover to cover, but I am taking time and reading pertinent parts of them and I'm learning alot. By the time I do my switch from Atkins to PP, I should know what I'm doing...(I hope!)

[rustpot]

Believe me you will go from Atkins to PP to Nikkiend.

In reality what you eat on Atkins and PP are the same range of good foods. It is all a matter of emphasis. One is neither better of worse than the other. The fun is finding out what works for you within the confines of eating in a low carb way.

Atkins induction says <20 carbs and then increase by 5 per week to reach the point at which you are still losing. PP says start at <30. Suggest you might go up to 55. The actual number that you end up with is likely to be about the same.

PP does send you through some mathematical puzzles to make a rather simple point that protein requirements increase the bigger you are. He does not mean the fatter you are just bigger. There is a difference between men and women also because although men are generally larger than women, women tend to naturally have slightly more body fat.

It is therefore useful to find out what your own minimum protein requirements are. PP also recommend that you pretty much divide equally the protein intake into your daily three meals.

Minimum protein requirement still holds true for those on Atkins. Atkins does not push it because if you reduce carbohydrate down you are only left with protein and fat and provided you are not starving yourself with a severely restricted calorie intake you are more than likely going to be over your minimum protein requirement following Atkins.

I personnally think that the Eades have the edge on Atkins in the way they put the same underlying science across. The calculations are definitely a good guide but only a guide.

After a while you will adapt and modify what you eat. We tweak,we vary,we experiment. We even trya bit of kiddology.

We try and fool our bodies that this or that particular carbohydrate will make no difference. But insulin is not fooled. Excess carbohydrate spikes insulin release and that leads to the laying down of fat by the body in all its favorite places.

Take your time and work out you goals and protein requirements. Then Tweak away until the Nikkiend plan takes over from PP that took over from Atkins which took over from..........Lets not go there again.

[lossiebeth]

WISE AS EVER, SOLOMON, I MEAN, RUSTPOT ;)

I'M ENJOYING PP. I LIKE BEING ABLE TO HAVE MORE VEGETABLES-NOT PIG OUT, JUST MORE. I SPENT SO MANY YEARS AS A VEGGIE AND/OR VEGAN, THAT I JUST *LOVE* MY VEG :heart:

MY ONLY COMPLAINT WITH PP IS THE LOWER GOAL WEIGHT. I *HAVE* LOWERED IT A BIT, BUT NOT TO THE 125 PP WOULD HAVE ME AT (WASN'T IT 117-125? I AM IN DENIAL ABOUT THAT LOWER NUMBER AND CAN'T REMEMBER IT :rolleyes: ) I'M *SURE* I MUST BE TOO BIG BONED :lol: STILL, I HOPE TO START BFL SOON; ALL THAT EXERCISE WILL SORT ME OUT-IF IT DOESN'T KILL ME FIRST :eek:

BTW, LOVE THE NEW PHOTO, RUSTPOT :thup:

[nikkiend]

You know, Beth, I'd stop worrying about your goal weight. You know where you want to be and where you'll feel comfortable. I'm shooting for 150, but if I get to 155 or 160 and I feel good I'll be happy. Anything's better than where I am right now! :o

[nikkiend]

Rustpot,
I am finding this time that I'm already doing a little more "tweaking" and not worrying so much about following every little thing. (At least while I'm on Atkins since I know it so well)
I don't think that I will have a problem getting the minimum protein requirement, but one of the things I am worried about is figuring whether I'm getting all of the fiber I need. I'm more someone who eats what I know I can and I don't plan meals in advance. I'd rather eat what I am in the mood for that night. I'm sure I'd do better calculating everything so I am sure that I will get everything I need, but I know I won't stick with doing that for long.
Another thing I'm noticing in different people's posts is that their goal weight in PP seems to really worry some of them; some even to the point of not feeling good about themselves when they were feeling good before. I don't want to be discouraged just yet. I'm feeling really good about losing 5 lbs. so far. I'm going to stick with the PPLP chart for now and get AT LEAST 40 gms. of protein per meal until I learn the diet better. Then I may be asking for some help on doing the calculations down the road. Thanks for all of your advice.
I do have another question about Atkins: I was reading thru the book last night and this bothered me the first time I was on it.
The book says you can have orange soda. Every orange soda I've checked has TONS of sugar in it! (I hate diet soda so I'm always looking for alternatives to break the monotony of water all the time) Have any input on that?

[rustpot]

My atkins says diet soda as a general rule. And read the label.

I am not sure what Atkins really means by Natural and Artificial orange soda. It is not a product we have in the UK.

They must have some carbs as you have found. If you have some to spare in your daily count why not, but ..... a carb is a carb is a carb whatever its source.

Except of course if its an effective carb and you are deducting the fibre content.

Fibre in orange soda? I think not!

In general, most carbonated drinks ( called sodas in US)will have caffeine, added sugar and fructose if it is a real fruit drink.

Count the carbs. Its the only way

[lossiebeth]

You know, Beth, I'd stop worrying about your goal weight
I NEED TO PRACTICE WHAT I PREACH, DON'T I? ;) IT IS EASY FOR ME TO SAY THAT TO OTHERS, BUT I TREAT MYSELF SO DIFFERENTLY!

Anything's better than where I am right now!
NOT MUCH MORE THAN A YEAR AGO, I WAS 235, IF NOT HIGHER. I HAD PLANNED TO BE AT MY GOAL WEIGHT BY 4O, AND INSTEAD I WAS STARING AT 250 IF I DIDN'T STOP. LUCKILY, I STOPPED! I FOUND C.A.D. AND THAT STARTED ME ON THE LO-CARB JOURNEY. WHEW!

KEEP ON PLUGGING AWAY; YOU'RE DOING GREAT! WE ALL ARE! :D

[nikkiend]

Beth,
You've lost 40 lbs!!! :cheer:
I would LOVE to be down 40 lbs. You're doing fantastic!!! Keep up the great work!

[lossiebeth]

GEE, THANKS! BECAUSE IT HAS TAKEN AWHILE, AND BECAUSE I TEND TO THINK I SHOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN THAT HEAVY IN THE FIRST PLACE (WHY BE NICE TO MYSELF WHEN I CAN WALLOW IN NEGATIVITY) :rolleyes: I TEND TO FORGET THAT I HAVE ACTUALLY LOST A GOOD BIT :daze: ALSO, IT HAS GOTTEN SLOWER THAN SLOW, WHICH DOESN'T HELP. STILL, WE'RE DOING IT AND THAT IS SO IMPORTANT.

HOORAY FOR US! :D

THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE CHEER; WHEN I SAW THAT, I COULD FEEL MY CHEEKS GOING RED :blush:

[nikkiend]

You're right. Hooray for us!!! We realized there was a problem and we're doing something about it. We could still be packing on the pounds but we made a decision and we're sticking to it. That takes alot of willpower.

[jane anne]

Hello folks
i'm on the atkins but have been researching pp and it's way too complicated for a dislexic like myself so i just plan to have the max in protien, the min in carbs and keep a little weight for my old age.
i'm 52, and have no desire to get my youth back, just want to age gracefully. having my wrinkles smoothed by a little body fat is more important than being 130 lbs! i prefer to be voluptuous and a little sexy at 52 than pencil thin.
Anyway thats how i work it out.
i'm pretty happy with my life generally speaking and if i don't gain another pound ....... well i can live with that.
i really enjoy the diet and the extreme taste it has over a high carb low fat diet.

happy eating to all!!
jane anne

[lossiebeth]

takes alot of willpower
AND SOMETIMES IT TAKES EVEN MORE WON'TPOWER ;)

I WAS TALKING TO MY MUM THE OTHER DAY, AND MENTIONED HOW LONG IT HAD BEEN SINCE I HAVE HAD ANYTHING CONTAINING SUGAR (ABOUT 6 WEEKS-MOMENTARY LAPSE), AND COULDN'T REMEMBER WHEN MY LAST WHEAT WAS...THAT WAS SCARY FOR SOME REASON. I GUESS THE IDEA OF "NEVER AGAIN" WORRIES ME.

[nikkiend]

Beth,
I tend to do that sometimes too. Worry about what I "can never have again". But you know what? I really don't think that's true. As long as we realize that that food may be a trigger food, and we don't go into a binge from eating it. Honestly, once you really get into this WOE, that stuff doesn't taste as good. Even if it does, I've noticed that when I do cheat and have alot of sugar, I feel awful the next few days. That's enough to deter me (most of the time) :D

[lossiebeth]

I'M A BIT LIKE AN ALCOHOLIC WITH SUGAR AND SUCHLIKE; ONE DAY AT A TIME DOES FOR ME! ;)

STILL, IT WAS THE END OF APRIL THE LAST TIME I HAD ANY SUGAR, SO THAT'S PROBABLY A FIRST!

I USED TO GET REALLY RESENTFUL OF DIETS, AND WOULD FEEL SO DEPRIVED AND ANNOYED THAT I WOULD GO ON BINGES AND EAT ASTONISHING AMOUNTS OF FOOD. THIS WOE IS BETTER FOR THAT. I AM AWARE THAT IT IS MY CHOICE AND I AM DOING THIS BECAUSE I WANT TO AND NEED TO. WHEW!

[nikkiend]

I feel the same way. I used to do that too. Basically what I do is just eat whatever I want and I won't get on the scales until I am TOTALLY disgusted with myself. By that time, I've gained tons of weight. I'm good at denial.
How is PP going for you? Are you finding it hard to follow? I'm still not feeling 100% comfortable that I know what I'm doing with it. I plan on starting it next week tho. Today is my 12th day on Atkins Induction. I lost 5 lbs. in 3 or 4 days. Then I gained a few because of my time of the month. It took me a few days to take that off. I've lost 6 lbs. so far. I have the feeling I'll stall here because that's been my pattern.
I'm going away this coming weekend and am going to try my best not to cheat. :help:

[lossiebeth]

I FIND ATKINS AND PP REASONABLY INTERCHANGEABLE. WITH PP, I HAVE TO WORRY LESS ABUOT THE CARBS, AS IT ALLOWS MORE. ON ATKINS, AS SOON AS I WENT OFF INDUCTION, I GAINED, BUT FOR SOME REASON, WITH PP, I CAN EAT MORE CARBS AND NOT GAIN :confused:. STILL, AS LONG AS IT WORKS, WHO CARES? ;)

HAVING THE CANDIDA IN MY DIGESTIVE SYSTEM MAKES LOSING DIFFICULT. I AM LOSING LIKE A POUND OR TWO A MONTH AFTER THE INITIAL 9 OF INDUCTION (4 OF WHICH WENT RIGHT BACK ON DURING MY T.O.M.). I STARTED ATKINS ON 14TH MARCH, AND I AM 12 POUNDS DOWN FROM THAT. IT IS SLOW, SLOW, SLOW, BUT FOR SOME REASON, IT ISN'T DOING MY HEAD IN. USUALLY, I PANIC AND START BEING STUPID (THE OLD EATING DISORDERD MENTALITY). AS IT IS, I AM DOING PP, AND IF I LOSE A POUND AND KEEP IT OFF ONE WEEK, I AM HAPPY AS IF I HAD GOOD SENSE. I MEAN, EVEN A POUND A WEEK IS 50 POUNDS IN A YEAR. WHEN I LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, EVEN HALF-A-POUND-A-WEEK DOESN'T SOUND BAD. WHO IS THIS TALKING? IT CAN'T BE ME! :D

AS FOR THE EATING WHILE YOU ARE AWAY, BASICALLY, YOU CAN DO IT IF YOU WANT TO BADLY ENOUGH TO OVERCOME THE "I WANTS". MY MOTHER IS ALWAYS GETTING SIDETRACKED BY CAKE. IT SEEMS SHE ALWAYS HAS A FRIEND'S BIRTHDAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SHE SAID TO ME TODAY THAT SHE "HAD" TO HAVE A BIT OF HER FRIEND'S FATHER'S DAY CAKE YESTERDAY. I SAID, "BULLS**T! :eek: IF YOU WANTED IT AND YOU HAD IT, FAIR ENOUGH, BUT DON'T BLAME OTHER PEOPLE." MY MOTHER AND I HAVE THAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP ;) I JUST HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE DON'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS. I BLAME MY UPBRINGING :lol:

HAVE A GREAT TIME WHEN YOU GO!

[nikkiend]

Thanks. I plan on having a good time. I hope that I have the willpower not to cheat, but I know if I do, I'll get right back on it that Monday. (And I won't blame it on anyone but myself!) :D
Have you read anything or seen anything about the Atkins KISS WOE? I finally was able to find some information on it this morning. I definitely don't think I could follow it for a long period of time because it's REALLY restrictive, but it sounds good for a stall, or possibly for you with your Candida problem.
Let me know if you'd like to check it out and I'll forward you the websites. I found it on an old post somewhere but I don't know if I can find the post again. I bookmarked the websites that had the info.
I admire you for not giving up. Every time I tried Atkins "again", when I totally stalled I eventually gave up. That's part of the reason I wanted to try something different. (PP)

[nikkiend]

Oops. I just now read your post in your other thread. :o I guess you're pretty much doing the KISS on your own. UNprocessed meats and veggies is about all you can eat on it. I can still forward you the sites if you want to take a look, tho.

[lossiebeth]

I LOOKED AT THAT AGES AGO, BUT CAN REMEMBER THINKING :help: AS IT SOUNDED SO DIFFICULT. NOW THAT I AM ON THE ANTI-CANDIDA DIET AS WELL, IT WOULD PROBABLY SEEM LESS SCARY ;) I'D LIKE TO SEE THE LINK, IF YOU HAVE IT, THANKS :)

WHAT I HAVE SEEN SOME PEOPLE DO, IF THEY ARE IN A NO-WIN SITUATION (EAT IT OR STARVE) IS TO TURN IT INTO A C.A.D. MEAL. DO YOU KNOW C.A.D.? I HAVE BEEN IN THE POSITION OF DOING THAT BEFORE. IF THERE IS REALLY NOTHING "ON PLAN" TO EAT, I EAT WHAT IS THERE, FOR NO MORE THAN AN HOUR, THEN STOP, AND GET RIGHT BACK ON PLAN. ACCORDING TO C.A.D., THAT IS ENOUGH TO KEEP ON LOSING, JUST DOING WHAT IS BASICALLY ATKINS INDUCTION THE OTHER 23 HOURS OF THE DAY.

MY BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THAT IS REMEMBERING TO TREAT IT AS A "DAMAGE LIMITATIONS" EXERCISE, NOT AN EXCUSE FOR A BLOW-OUT, SO I TEND TO DO MY BEST TO AVOID THOSE SITUATIONS! HAVING M.S. CAN BE HANDY, IN THAT I TELL PEOPLE IT IS MY SPECIAL M.S. DIET (WELL, ONE OF THE THREE I AM ON :daze: ), AND THEY DON'T TEND TO TRY AND TEMPT ME.

I DID A LIVER CLEANSE AT THE WEEKEND, AND MY WEIGHT IS DOWN AGAIN. I AM AFRAID TO ADD THE NEW NUMBER TO MY STATS, AS I KNOW IT WILL GO BACK UP. IT ALWAYS DOES :( OH FOR THE GLORIOUS DAYS WHEN I WOULD LOSE A POUND AND IT WOULD STAY LOST...UNTIL I BLEW OFF THE DIET AND MOVED BACK TO BINGE CITY AGAIN, THAT IS :lol:

[nikkiend]

I don't know what C.A.D. is, but I keep seeing it referred to in the posts. What does it stand for? Does it "jump start" your losing again, or is it just an option if you have no "plan" food available?
I don't have a clue how to direct you to a post in here, so I'm going to have to tell you where to go find the post that will take you to the KISS instructions. There are alot of good posts in the thread, also.
What I did is get into Atkins, and at the bottom you can do a search. I searched "KISS" and went into the post by missatc called "KISS???". Thre is a post there from Karen, the moderator that has links to "KISS Guidelines" and "Rules of KISS". It shouldn't be scary for you anymore since it sounds like you're pretty much following it anyway.
If you can't find it, let me know and I'll try to find out how to put the links in my post to you.
Let me know what you think.

[lossiebeth]

C.A.D. STANDS FOR THE "CARBOHYDRATE ADDICT'S DIET", BYT RICHARD AND RAECHEL HELLER. IT IS WHAT STARTED ME LOW-CARBING.

THEIR BASIC PREMISE IS THAT IF YOU EAT LOW-CARB FOR THE WHOLE DAY, YOU CAN HAVE A REWARD MEAL ONCE A DAY. IT SHOULD BE NEAR ENOUGH 1/3 PROTEN, 1/3 LOW-CARB VEG/SALAD, AND 1/3 CARBOHYDRATES. THIS "REWARD MEAL" CANNOT LAST MORE THAN AN HOUR, BECAUSE THEN YOUR INSULIN GETS OUT OF WHACK AGAIN AND YOU START CRAVING.

MY PROBLEM WITH C.A.D. WAS THAT THAT HOUR WAS FAR TOO MUCH, YET NOT NEARLY ENOUGH. IT KEPT MY ADDICTIONS TO SUGAR AND STARCHES GOING, AND I HAD A VERY DIFFICULT TIME WITH IT AFTER AWHILE, AND GAVE UP FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, THEN TRIED AGAIN, BUT QUICKLY SWITCHED OVER TO ATKINS, AND NOW PP.

I HAVE BEEN FAR BETTER JUST SHOVING THE WHOLE LOT (STARCHES, SUGARS. ETC.) OUT OF MY LIFE ENTIRELY THAN TRYING TO LIVE WITH IT FOR THAT HOUR. I LIVED FOR THAT HOUR :daze: NOW THAT I AVOID IT ALL, I AM ACTUALLY MUCH HAPPIER. I AM VERY ALL OR NOTHING THAT WAY.

I'LL GO INTPO THE ATKINS SECTION AND HAVE A LOOK FOR KISS NOW.

THANKS AGAIN.

[fridayeyes]

About the orange soda... I had always thought that 1) he meant diet and 2) it doesn't have any caffeine like the vastly more common cola drinks. Who knows if it's true or not, but it's been my operating assumption. :)

Cheers,

Friday

[nikkiend]

Hey Friday, thanks for the input. I just always thought it was strange because when he refers to orange soda, he never says diet...
Beth, did you check out the KISS posts? What did you think?
I'm still doing Atkins. Haven't ventured to PP yet. It seems so complicated and I'm not good at keeping track of what I eat and calculating everything. I tried Fitday but ended up not doing that either. I'm just awful at that type of thing. I always have good intentions but never stick with it. I know my health is important, but I can always find other things to do with my time.
Hope you're feeling well.

[lossiebeth]

I HAD A LOOK AT THE KISS STUFF, THANKS, AND DECIDED TO LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE. I AM HAVING A HARD ENOUGH TIME RIGHT NOW WITHOUT ADDING ANY EXTRA RESTRICTIONS.

MY WEIGHT IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE (WELL, NOT IN THE DIRECTION I WANT IT TO ANYWAY), AND IT IS VERY DISHEARTENING. I AM PREMENSTRUAL AS WELL, SO THAT MAKES EVERYTHING FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN IT NEEDS TO BE :rolleyes:

I SEEM TO BE STUCK, AND IT IS SO FRUSTRATING WHEN I AM "BEHAVING". NEVER MIND, IT'LL ALL COME OUT IN THE WASH, AS MY DADDY USED TO SAY.

I'LL JUST KEEP ON DOING WHAT I'M DOING, AND ONE OF THESE DAYS, WHOOSH! :roll:

I HOPE ALL IS WELL AT YOUR END.

[nikkiend]

I'm having the same problem. I've lost 5 - 6 lbs. and stopped. I DID end up cheating over the weekend but I didn't gain anything and I got right back to eating right when I got home.
This seems to be my pattern since I lost a good amount and gained it back again.
At least I'm not gaining anymore!
Good luck to you.

[lossiebeth]

IS THIS FRUSTRATING OR WHAT?!? I LOOK AT PEOPLE WHO DO THINGS ALL THE WRONG WAY AND LOSE WEIGHT (LIKE MY HUSBAND'S AUNT WHO DOES NOT EAT), AND IT IS SO TEMPTING. HOWEVER, ALL I HAVE TO DO IS REMIND MYSELF "BEEN THERE, DONE THAT".

I MEAN, I GOT THIN FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER A WHILE BACK. I GOT MARRIED IN 1996, AND WEIGHED 140 ON MY WEDDING DAY. I WAS GORGEOUS (SHE SAID MODESTLY). OF COURSE, I HADN'T EATEN SENSIBLY FOR GOD KNOWS HOW LONG, I WAS BEING SICK, AND GENERALLY SAW ONLY WEIGHT LOSS AND NOT HEALTH :rolleyes:

AS SOON AS I STARTED EATING AGAIN, UP I WENT :bash: I MANAGED TO ONLY PUT ON ABOUT 20 POUNDS AT FIRST, AND STAYED THERE FOR ABOUT A YEAR, THEN WE MOVED TO INVERNESS, AND WITHIN A YEAR, I HAD PUT ON ANOTHER 40 POUNDS, THEN MORE ADDED TO THAT. ON MY 40TH BIRTHDAY (FEBRUARY 2001), I WEIGHED 235. MY ALL-TIME HIGH, HOWEVER, WHEN I WAS MARRIED TO MY FIRST HUSBAND (GOD BLESS HIM AND ALL WHO SAIL IN HIM) WAS 250.

SO, I THINK OF ALL THAT, REMIND MYSELF THAT I AM UNDER 200 AGAIN AT LAST, AND I THINK MAYBE I'M NOT DOING SO BADLY AFTER ALL ;)

YOU HANG ON IN THERE, SWEETIE. IF I CAN DO THIS ANYBODY CAN! :D

[nikkiend]

Thanks, Beth. Sounds like you've had more than any one person needs to deal with in a lifetime!
I went down 1# when I weighed this morning so I'm hoping maybe this is a break to my stall....we'll see.
I did get the tape measure out and just measure a couple of places and I have lost 1 1/2 inches around my waist! So now I feel like I AM losing inches, albeit very slowly.
They say the first place you lose is the last place you put it on, so my waist would make sense. I have a small waist compared to the rest of me.
I see alot of peoples' posts where they've been stalled up to a year! I hope and pray that I can keep my willpower if that should happen to me. :eek:
Hopefully with yours and everyone else's support, I can do it.
Thank you. ;)

[lossiebeth]

HEY, THAT'S WHAT FRIENDS ARE FOR :D

WELL DONE ON THAT POUND, BTW! EVERY ONE IS A LITTLE VICTORY IN ITSELF.

AS FOR A YEAR-LONG STALL, I THINK I'D SHOOT MYSELF! I USED TO THINK LOSING A POUND A WEEK WAS SLOWER THAN SLOW; THESE DAYS IT SOUNDS LIKE PRETTY SPEEDY PROGRESS ;) WOW, A POUND A WEEK, WOULDN'T THAT BE GREAT? SIGH.

WELL, I'M OFF FIRST THING IN THE MORNING (BEFORE FIRST THING ACTUALLY!). TOMORROW CHRIS HAS AN EXAM FOR THE COURSE HE WAS AWAY IN EDINBURGH FOR LAST WEEK. WE HAVE TO DRIVE DOWN (4 HOURS, PLUS A WAIT AT THE FORTH ROAD BRIDGE THAT COULD BE 5 MINUTES OR TWO HOURS), HIS EXAM IS AT 10, THEN BACK UP AGAIN. HE HAS THE USE OF A COLLEGE CAR, SO ONLY HE CAN DRIVE IT, POOR THING!

SO, YOU MIGHT NOT HEAR FOR A FEW DAYS. AFTER GETTING UP TO LEAVE AT 4 A.M., I MIGHT NOT BE UP TO MUCH FOR A DAY OR SO. STILL, BETTER THAT THAN WORRYING ALL DAY THAT HE FELL ALSEEP AT THE WHEEL. I'M HAPPIER G0ING ALONG TO PROD HIM NOW AND THEN ;)

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK :D

[Voyajer]

Just to make it perfectly clear: never should anyone doing low carbing have a regular orange soda with sugar in it. You may however have a diet orange soda OR sparkling water flavored with orange, lemon, or lime.

From Atkins site:

Can I have diet soda while doing Atkins?

Spring, mineral or filtered tap water and herb teas are your best fluid options. If you must have soda, avoid caffeinated colas and look for brands, such as Diet Rite, sweetened with sucralose. Be sure to add any carbohydrates in these drinks to your daily carb count.


Atkins sells "make your own sugarless soda syrups":
Nutrtional Info
Sugar Free Soda Flavored Syrup - Cola
Sugar Free Soda Flavored Syrup - Ginger Ale
Sugar Free Soda Flavored Syrup - Lemon Lime
Sugar Free Soda Flavored Syrup - Root Beer

AtkinsTM Sugar Free Soda Flavored Syrups! How about a nice thirst-quenching glass of Cola, Root Beer, Ginger Ale or Lemon Lime soda? Think you can't? Well think again! AtkinsTM Sugar Free Soda Flavored Syrups use sucralose so you can create a soda-pop sensation with all the sweetness you crave - and no sugar or apartame! Just mix into a glass of club soda or seltzer and enjoy a cool glass of refreshment anytime.

[nikkiend]

Voyager,
Thanks for the info. When I first started and read that, I went to the store and looked at the label and saw how much sugar was in orange soda and knew I'd never drink it. Don't drink much more than water these days. Crystal Light on occasion.

[nikkiend]

Beth,
Hope your trip went well.
I think I finally broke my stall. I lost 3# this past week! I was almost scared to change my profile because I'm so afraid I will gain it back.
I did finally motivate myself to start working out and I'm sure that's got alot to do with it. That's quite an accomplishment for me and I'm proud of myself! (As she pats herself on the back) :D
I've got some depressing things going on in my life right now and working out is really helping lift my spirits.
I will measure myself next weekend (which will be 4 1/2 weeks LC'ing.) I'm excited for the results of that.
Hope the scale has moved down for you some.

[lossiebeth]

WELL DONE!!! :cheer: YOU'RE DOING GRAND!

TRUE TO FORM, I FINALLY RAN THE RISK OF CHANGING MY PROFILE, AND THEN WENT UP A POUND :rolleyes: MY BODY AND I DO NOT SEEM TO WORK TOGETHER VERY WELL.

THE TRIP WAS FINE, IF LONG. CHRIS PASSED HIS EXAM (OF COURSE; I KNEW HE WOULD EVEN IF HE DIDN'T), AD WE HAD A NICE AFTERNOON SIGHTSEEING IN A TOWN CALLED DUNFERMLINE, WHERE ROBERT THE BRUCE'S BODY (ALL BUT HIS HEART! THAT IS BURIED SOMEWHERE ELSE) IS BURIED.

WE GOT UP BEFORE 4 A.M., LEFT BEFORE 5, AND WEREN'T HOME UNTIL ALMOST 10 P.M. MECHTY, WHAT A DAY. I HAVE DONE VIRTUALLY NOTHING SINCE, BUT BY GOLLY DID I WALK ON FRIDAY. MY LEGS AREN'T HAPPY ABOUT COOPERATING, BUT, BLESS THEM, THEY STILL WORK AS WELL AS THEY CAN.

I AM SO PROUD FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUCCESS AND DETERMINATION-YOU GO GIRL! :D

[nikkiend]

Well, the same thing happened to me. I changed my profile and gained the 3 lbs. back! I think it's a jinx when you do that! :)
I need to get out of the habit of weighing myself every morning. I know I shouldn't but I can't help it.
Back to square one! I'm not changing my profile back, tho. It'll give me something to work towards.

[lossiebeth]

POOR YOU, I KNOW THAT FEELING SO WELL! WE'RE THE JINX TWINS WHEN IT COMES TO OUR PROFILES, I GUESS ;) I WEIGH EVERY DAY. THIS WHOLE "WHAT YOU SHOULDSHOULDN'T DO" THING THAT PEOPLE DO IS SO UNFORTUNATE, BECAUSE EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT. SOME PEOPLE DO BETTER WHEN THEY DON'T WEIGH OFTEN, WHEREAS IT HELPS OTHERS. I LIKE WEIGHING EVERY DAY. WHEN I WEIGH LESS OFTEN, IT BECOMES THIS REALLY BIG DEAL, AND I GET SO DOWN IF I HAVEN'T LOST LOTS. WHEN I WEIGH EVERY DAY AND GO UP, DOWN, UP, DOWN, UP, DOWN, DOWN, UP... IT IS LESS IMPORTANT TO ME. IT IS JUST ONE MORE THNG I DO EVERY DAY.

WHEN I WAS DOING C.A.D., THEY TOLD YOU TO WEIGH EVERY DAY, THEN AVERAGE WEIGHTS AT THE END OF THE WEEK. I DID THAT FOR AGES, BUT NOW JUST DO THE DAILY WEIGH-IN.

KEEP ON KEEPING. THOSE 3 POUNDS WILL GO AWAY AND STAY AWAY NEXT TIME! :)

[nikkiend]

I agree about weighing every day. I figure if I do, if I happen to eat something that throws me off, I'll know it right away. I also use the ketosis strips every day although I'm a little disheartened to find out that they don't distinguish between fat being burned and dietary fat you're eating. I figure at least I know that the fat I'm eating isn't getting stored...
I still haven't officially started PP. I'm kind of doing my own. I'm scared to death to add fruit until I start losing again. I'm doing Atkins but eating a fair share of low carb veggies including my salad every day for lunch.
I've even been forcing myself to take flaxseed oil. Yuck! :Puke:
I've been taking cod liver oil capsules because there is NO WAY on God's green earth I will take the liquid form. I've been thinking about fish oil capsules but the "rancid" thing in PP makes me think twice.
We're doing all the right things so I know we will start losing when our bodies say it's the right time. We just need to hang in there!!! ;)

[lossiebeth]

MMM, FLAX SEED OIL ;) I TAKE THAT BUT IN CAPSULE FORM; I DON'T FANCY TRYING THE OIL ON ITS OWN-ICKY POO! :thdown: YOU'RE A BETTER MAN THAN I AM, GUNGHA DIN!

AS IT IS THAT T.O.M., I'M PRETTY BOLSHY, AND DECIDED I WANTED DESSERT TONIGHT :eek: I GOT SOME RASPBERRIES AND STRAWBERRIES AND MELON (SMALL CONTAINSERS OF THEM), SPLIT THEM BETWEEN MY HUSBAND AND MYSELF, AND POURED DOUBLE CREAM OVER THE LOT. NOT EXACTLY THE LOWEST CARB THING IN THE WHOLE WORLD, BUT NO SUGAR, OR EVEN HI-CARB FRUIT. IT WAS FINE, AND I DIDN'T CRAVE MORE, SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS. I WOULDN'T WANT TO RISK IT TOO OFTEN, THOUGH.

MY LATEST DISCOVERY THAT WAY (SWEET WISE) IS NO-SUGAR-ADDED CAROB BARS. AS I HAVEN'T HAD ANY SUGAR SINCE APRIL, I'M PRETTY O.K. ABOUT IT, AND I GUESS MY TASTEBUDS ARE CHANGING. I FIND THE CAROB QUITE NICE. THE UNSWEETENED STUFF HAS ABOUT 20 GRAMS OF CARBS. PER 100. I HAVE NEVER HAD MORE THAN 50 GRAMS (CANDY BAR SIZE) AT ONCE, SO IT HASN'T DONE ME ANY HARM AS OF YET. O.K., SO IT ISN'T CHOCOLATE, BUT I REALLY QUITE LIKE IT FOR ITSELF. IT S HARD TO FIND THOUGH :rolleyes: TYPICAL!

I'M NOT EXACTLY CLIMBING THE WALLS FOR SWEET THINGS, BUT IT IS SURE NICE NOW AND THEN, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS AN "ALLOWABLE" TREAT, AND EVEN MORESO AT THIS T.O.M..

BTW, I FORGOT TO WEIGH THIS MORNING :D THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN OFTEN! ;)

[nikkiend]

I tend to do pretty well as far as cravings as long as I take my supplements. I can be at a get together where everyone's eating cake and be fine. That's one thing I love about this WOE. I'm never hungry unless I let myself go too long without eating and I don't normally crave things. If I smell bread or toast, I really miss eating it. Sometimes I could kill for some macaroni and cheese but I like what I read about the CAD. If I feel I MUST have something like that, I'll eat it and make sure it's within the hour. I've even thought about checking out the CAD. It would really be nice to know that I could have something I really want for an hour each day. I guess I'd have to see how well disciplined I'd stay... :D

[lossiebeth]

I LOVED C.A.D. FOR AWHILE, BUT THAT HOUR GOT TO BE THE FOCUS OF MY WHOLE DAY. I WAS OBSESSED BY IT, AND THAT WASN'T GOOD FOR ME. I HAVE DONE BETTER JUST KEEPING COMPLETELY AWAY FROM STUFF. HAVING SAID THAT, C.A.D WORKS BRILLIANTLY FOR SOME PEOPLE, SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO KNOCK IT. C.A.D. WASN'T THE PROBLEM, I WAS :rolleyes:

WHEN I WAS ON HOLIDAY IN APRIL, I DID C.A.D. A FEW TIMES WHEN I WAS PRSENTED WITH A MEAL THAT WAS IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM LO-CARB FRIENDLY (LIKE IN CHINATOWN, WHERE NO ONE IN THE RESTAURANT SPOKE ENGLISH, SO I COULDN'T EVEN ASK ABOUT STUFF!). I REALLY ENJOYED MY MEAL, THEN WENT RIGHT BACK TO ATKINS (PRE-P.P.).

THESE DAYS I SEEM TO BE DOING A BIT MORE MY OWN THING. I AM PROBABLY P.P. OR ATKINS O.W.L., BUT I AM NOT RIGIDLY COUNTING AND MEASURING AND WEIGHING AND STUFF. IT MAKES ME CRAZY AFTER AWHILE. THE THING IS, IF I EAT LOTS OF PROTEIN, AND THE ONLY CARBS I USUALLY GET ARE L.C. VEGETABLES, WITH A BIT OF LIVE YOGURT THROWN IN FOR THE CANDIDA (AND THE OCCASIONAL CAROB BAR), HOW CAN I BE TOO FAR AWAY?

STARCHES ARE JUST NOT IN MY UNIVERSE, NOR IS SUGAR, NOR MOST HIGH-CARBNESS, SO I FIGURE I'LL GET THERE IN THE END. BALANCING THE LOW-CARB, THE ANTI-CANDIDA AND THE GLUTEN-FREE DIETS IS A NEAT TRICK ;) I'M PRETTY IMPRESSED THAT I'M MANAGING ACTUALLY-I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I COULD JUGGLE :lol:

[nikkiend]

I'm proud of you for juggling so well! :D
I'm a little discouraged. I just spoke with a friend who is doing Atkins for the second time around and she's lost 16 lbs. in 3 weeks! I thought it was supposed to be so much tougher if you've done it before... :rolleyes:
I guess I need to get myself out of this mindset because my boss ordered pizza for lunch for everyone and there's some left in the fridge. I was good and ate my salad, but pizza's definitely one of my downfalls. I guess if I really get the urge, I can pick some of the toppings off, huh? ;)

[lossiebeth]

EMPATHY, EMPATHY! I FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY LOSES WEIGHT FASTER THAN ME; IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE "LIFE IS UNFAIR" THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH (OR NOT AS THE CASE MAY BE ;) ). I KNOW PEOPLE WHO CAN LOSE A MILLION POUNDS IN 10 MINUTES (OR SO IT SEEMS), AND I AM LUCKY TO LOSE 2 IN A MONTH. I USED TO BE ABLE TO LOSE FAST, BUT MIDDLE AGE AND CANDIDA HAVE CAUGHT UP WITH ME :thdown: STILL, I AM LOWER THAN I WAS A MONTH AGO, AND THAT IS LOWER THAN A MONTH BEFORE, SO IT IS ALL HAPPENING, JUST NOT AT THE SPEED I'D CHOOSE! :D

PIZZA :yum: THAT HAS TO BE ONE OF MY ALL-TIME FAVOURITE FOODS. CHRIS TOO; HE LOVES IT. HE COMPLAINEDTO ME THAT NOW WE'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO GO FOR PIZZA AGAIN, BUT I REPLIED WITH PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU SAID, THERE'S ALWAYS THE TOPPINGS! BESIDES, THAT IS THE BEST PART. YOU ARE BRAVE TO HAVE IT IN THE HOUSE. I THINK I'D HAVE HAD TO SCRAPE OFF THE TOPPINGS AND THROW OUT THE BASE, JUST IN CASE THE TEMPTATION GOT TOO MUCH. BE BRAVE, YOU CAN DO IT! OR IF NOT, OOPS, IT'S JUST ONE WEE MISTAKE IN A PRETTY GLOWING TRACK RECORD! :)

HERE'S A THOUGHT; YOU CAN INVITE YOUR 16-POUNDS-IN-3 WEEKS FRIEND OVER AND OFFER HER PIZZA :devil: JUST KIDDING!

[nikkiend]

Well, I didn't eat any pizza or toppings. I did well yesterday, too. It was the 4th and I was at a bar b que. I did have 3 beers, but they're the new Michelob Light low carb so they have less than 4 carbs per beer.
Didn't gain anything, so that's a plus. I'm going to measure myself tomorrow morning. Hopefully that will make me feel positive again. Haven't worked out all week because between working out last sat. and housework on sun. I've had alot of pain in my lower back. I wanted to give it as much rest as possible so I don't hurt myself. I think I'm going to work out tonight.
I'll let you know how my measuring turns out... ;)

[lossiebeth]

good luck with the measuring. i almost managed to forget the 4th yesterday; needless to say it isn't a big deal over here ;) i did wear a patriotic t-shirt, though :D

well done on avoiding the pizza. i have never tried a lite beer that i have liked, so tend to just avoid it altogether. in fact, while lc-ing, i have had virtually nothing alcoholic to drink. i tend to drink water, water, and more water. i haven't even had a cuppa for 3 or 4 days, just water...

last night, we went to see 'minority report' with tom cruise. it just opened over here. in fact, the 'official' opening date is today; we got to a 'preview'. we enjoyed it. i had a bar of unsweetened carob and a diet pepsi with me, so felt really 'sinful' and wicked ;) it is great managing the occasional treat without going overboard.

keep up the good work!

[nikkiend]

I'm seriously considering trying the KISS WOE for a short time. I'm going on vacation to see my family in Indiana next month and I really wanted to lose some weight before going there. I don't know if I could be so restricted tho.
I'll let you know if I try it.

[nikkiend]

I measured this morning. I've lost 8.5 inches. I'm almost afraid to say about my weight, but let's just say the profile is back to being correct - at the risk of jinxing myself. :)
It's been exactly one month. I don't know what my problem is. I should be jumping for joy, but I'm beating myself up feeling like it should be more. I guess I'm remembering how quickly I lost it the first time I was on it. I even worked out last night so I should be feeling great. I've had alot of depressing things happening in my life lately so I guess that's part of it. Need to get myself out of this mood, tho. I'll end up sabotaging my WOE if I don't... :eek: Hopefully next time we talk I'll be in a better frame of mind.

[lossiebeth]

hey, you are speaking to the queen of self-beating-up! if i dont lose any weight, i hassle myself; if i do, i hassle myself that it isn't more! when i got down to 140 for my wedding, i still wasn't happy; i thought i should have been thinner. i look back at that now and think i was crazy. i looked really great, yet still thought i was fat. my head is healthier than it was then, but still, the tendency to never be happy with myself is an on-going one.

i think you're doing great, but who listens to me? I sure don't ;) rather than focussing on what you *should* accomplish, try to be glad for what you *have* accomplished. you have made a start, and you are working on it. the journey really *is* as important as the destination.

depression is a real killer, and I am unfortunately very prone to it. st. john's wort helps me. i wish i'd remembered that before i spent several months ready to bang my head against a wall at the slightest provocation (not literally!). they say it can take up to 8 weeks to kick in, but i was so needing it that by day 3 i'd already noticed a difference. psychological or not, who cares, as long as it works?

be nice to you! :there:

[nikkiend]

Thanks for the encouragement. Actually, yesterday when I weighed I had lost another 2 lbs. but it's back today. It's my TOM so I'm not upset about it. I'm feeling a little better about everything. If I could just get past that 5# mark and STAY there, I'd be ecstatic. I'm so afraid I'll be back up to 225 again...and again and again.... :D
As far as St. John's Wort, I used to take that until I found out that it can reduce the effects of birth control pills. Trust me, I'd be much MORE depressed if I found out I had a little one on the way!!! :eek:
You know we DO have alot in common. I have always thought I was fat. Even when I was 140 - 145. I look at old pictures and I would KILL to look like that again. I think it may be a very mild form of anorexia in my case. Who knows?
We just have to keep plugging along and have faith that all of this hard work will pay off in the end!

[lossiebeth]

how ironic is life, eh? i have never heard that about st. john's wort and the pill, but the pill did me very badly anyway; i had every side effect known to man (or should that be woman?). i came off of it many years ago. of course it turns out that after an ectopic pregnancy (which took my one good tube) i am infertile and couldn't conceive if i wanted to (and i do, actually). still, i have friends' bairns to love and spoil, and leave behind when i get tired! ;)

you are doing great! i mean, it's easy to stick with a woe when you are dropping pounds all the time, but the quick fix isn't the best way, as we know from experience (even though it is wonderful at the time!). anorexia is great, isn't it? :eek: sorry, but i remember times when i just didn't eat, and i felt so powerful. so what if i was hurting myself and doing goodness' knows what damage to my body? i never managed it for very long; i'm too greedy by nature.

i know what you mean about not wanting to go to 225 again. i have numbers like that, and they are getting smaller; 225 was mine and before that 230, and before that 235! we work in "stones" over here for some reason, and my "fearful number" right now is 14 stones (that's 196; a stone is 14 pounds). i am 13st 12 today (194) and had gotten to 13st.10 (192). Once i get below 13-and-a-half (189), that will become the bad number...

my t.o.m. is almost over, so back to reality soon-can't blame any weight gain on it then :rolleyes: personal responsibility's a bitch, huh? ;)

keep on keeping on, and we'll both get there in the end.

[nikkiend]

Well, I'm going away again this weekend. We got rained out a few weeks ago to go to the parks so we rescheduled. I'm bound and determined not to cheat but it's so darned hard! The girls I'm going with just order all kinds of appetizers at the restaurants and go nuts! I've been doing well lately and just am not ready to get off track right now. I am going up to Indiana in August to visit my family and I know I'll cheat then. That's a given. It's my vacation and I'm going to thoroughly enjoy it. The important thing is to get right back on track when I get home and not drag it out for a week, then two, then three...until I gain everything back. That seems to be my pattern. :eek: I really don't think I will tho. I'm doing well with my working out and I feel really good. I just realized yesterday that I'm not tired every single day any more. I definitely don't have the extra energy that most people say they have, but just not being tired is a miracle for me.

[lossiebeth]

i don't know what to tell you except to do your best. the thing to remember is that deffered gratification is a wonderful thing. if you decde *not* to eat whatever it is, you might feel deprived for a bit, but then you will feel *so* much stronger, and will be really proud of yourself. i mean, if you eat something that you *know* will put weight on and make you feel bad, what is the point of a few minutes' pleasure, when you will feel like hell, and beat yourself up for goodness' knows how long afterwards? i don't get it :confused:

my mother and i have this conversation *all* the time. her big excuse is that she *had* to eat whatever it was (usually someone's birthday cake or that kind of thing) so as to not hurt so-and-so's feelings. or she needed that ice cream to make her feel better. "did it?" i ask. "no", is the answer :bash:

what are we doing to ourselves? we eat stuff we know does us harm, then it does us harm and we spend ages feeling like we are pathetic because we didn't have the gumption to just say no :rolleyes:

i can 'preach' because i am *exactly* the same and do just that myself, though not lately (says me, frantically looking for some wood to touch/knock on). on other diets, when we'd hit a sticky patch, wed just say "sod it!" and go away to carb-land for awhile :daze:

it has been so tempting for me lately to do that. i have even considered other diets. diets? yes, i know, crazy, crazy. i am just so frustrated at this lack of movement on the scales. my clothes aren't getting looser and nothing seems to be happening. still, onward and downward-nobody ever said this would be easy :(

you do the best you can this weekend, knowing that we are all right behind you in here :)

[nikkiend]

Thanks for the support. I believe I'll be able to go without cheating this weekend. If not, I'll just follow the CAD diet for the weekend. I'll allow myself one meal and make sure I eat within an hour...
It is frustrating. I keep trying on different pants and hoping they'll be loose and when they're not, I get aggravated. I just keep comparing this time to the first time I tried this WOE. I lost 12 lbs. on Induction and lost a total of 35 lbs. in 4 months. Maybe since I'm working so hard this time I'll be less apt to fall into my old pattern again. We'll see...
You're doing great! If nothing else, your body has got to be healthier. If you weren't following this WOE, you'd be the weight you're at or probably higher and not healthy. Keep at it and eventually the inches will start coming off!

[lossiebeth]

thanks, sweetie, i needed that! :)

i'm up again today, and for no reason i can think of; i was expecting to be going the other way! it is mid-cycle so i can't blame t.o.m., i have been eating right and walking as much as i am able, but up, 2 pounds. i'm over my scary number of 13.12, to 13.13 (195) :eek: usually i like the number 13, but not today :(

still, there's always tomorrow :)

funny, but when this sort of thing happens, my mind screams, "go low fat, do a REAL diet!" honestly, the things i have to put up with from myself :rolleyes:

have a GREAT weekend, and remember that food is only a part of it, and not the biggest part either. give 'em hell! :D

[nikkiend]

Don't let those pounds get you down! That's part of the price we people who insist on weighing every day have to pay. I'm down 2 lbs. again, but I'm not changing my profile yet... I do think I finally got past the 225 scary number, tho. (Knock on wood)
Keep up the good work and don't let those 2 lbs. get over on you!!! :D Have a great weekend.

[lossiebeth]

ONE OF THE POUNDS IS GONE AGAIN TODAY, DESPITE EATING OUT LAST NIGHT. GO FIGURE. WE WENT FOR AN INDIAN MEAL AND I HAD THIS AMAZING DISH (CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT'S CALLED) WHICH WAS LAMB IN A CREAM SAUCE WITH ROSE PETAL PASTE! INDIAN RESTAURANTS HERE DON'T TEND TO USE FLOUR FOR THICKENING, SO A CREAM SAUCE IS PRETTY SAFE. IT WAS QUITE AN EXPERIENCE; YOU COULD REALLY TASTE THE ROSES. I LOVED IT :heart:

CHRIS HAD A NAAN BREAD (BIG LOVELY INDIAN BREAD) WITH HIS MEAL, BUT I JUST HAD THE CURRY. HE WAS STUFFED AFTER HIS, AND I WAS JUST RIGHT. HOORAY FOR ME :D

E-TALK TO YOU WHEN YOU GET BACK.

[nikkiend]

Hi there. My weekend was alot of fun. Unfortunately I did cheat. It's very hard to eat correctly when you're on the run in an amusement park all day and staying in a hotel without a refrigerator. I didn't weigh myself this morning because I don't want to get discouraged. I'm going to wait a few days. I did get right back on the diet this morning, tho.
Sounds like your resturant experience was very positive. I hope you keep that nasty pound off! :D

[lossiebeth]

WELL, WE ALL HAVE TRICKY TIMES. THE THING TO REALISE IS THAT IT ISN' T THE END OF THE WORLD, AND WE NEED TO GET BACK ON TRACK A.S.A.P.

I HAD A TERRIBLE DAY FOR EATING ON SUNDAY. I MUST HAVE HAD 50+ GRAMS OF CARBS, WHICH FOR ME IS PRETTY OUTRAGEOUS. THE SAVING GRACE WAS THAT IT WAS ALL "OK" STUFF-NO SUGAR OR REFIND CARBOS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AMAZINGLY, I WAS DOWN A POUND THE NEXT DAY :eek: BUT IT IS BACK ON AGAIN TODAY EVEN THOUGH I WAS "GOOD AS GOLD" YESTERDAY :rolleyes:

SO, I'M 13.12, MY "SCARY" NUMBER, BUT WHAT THE HELL? WE'LL GET THERE IN THE END :)

YOU GO GIRL!

[nikkiend]

Yeah, I weighed myself and I'm almost up to my scary number, 225. Oh well, ya play ya pay! Have you ever considered that maybe you're not eating enough? Maybe that's why you lost a lb. when you ate way more than you thought you should...? Heck, it's worth a try! I'm having trouble eating enough right now. I'm going thru some really bad personal times and am not very hungry. My stomach has been tied up in knots most of the time. I'm still plugging away, tho.
We'll get there sooner or later. :D

[lossiebeth]

WELL, I'M BACK DOWN TO 13.10 (192) AGAIN TODAY. THERE IS REALLY NO ACCOUNTING FOR WHAT MY BODY DOES THESE DAYS. STILL, I'M NOT COMPLAINING AS IT IS THE RIGHT DIRECTION :D

AS FOR EATING MORE, I'D HATE TO DO THAT. I EAT, YOU KNOW? I DON'T PURPOSELY EAT LITTLE AMOUNTS TO TRY AND LOST FASTER, BUT I HATE THE IDEA OF FORCING MYSELF TO EAT MORE. I MEAN THAT GOES AGAINST EVERY INSTINCT IN MY BODY AND MIND! I DON'T THINK I EAT TOO LITTLE, AND I HAVE TOYED WITH ANOREXIA, SO I KNOW! ;)

NO, MY BODY IS JUST DOING IT'S ON 'THANG' AND I AM DOING MY BEST TO HUMOUR IT WHILE STAYING ON TRACK :daze:

DO YOU THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO GO INTO 'BUDDY' MESSAGING OR SEND 'REAL' E-MAILS TO EACH OTHER? I ONLY ASK BECAUSE THIS IS GETTNG LONGER AND LONG TO DOWNLOAD EVERY DAY! MY POOR LITTLE OLD COMPUTER IS HAVING A HARD TIME!

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK! :)

[nikkiend]

I think that would be a good idea but I have no clue how to do it. Do you know how?

[nikkiend]

If you want to just send me a private message with your regular email address, you can do that, or let me know how to do the buddy list. Don't know how to do either...