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HappyLC
Sun, Jan-19-14, 12:04
I was clicking on old bookmarks just now and one of them was "Zeroing in on Health", Charles Washington's zero carb forum. It's not there anymore. And Charles' ZIOH (http://www.zioh.net) link leads to his professional page.

I guess this is just idle curiosity, but I was wondering if anybody here knows what happened to that community?

doreen T
Sun, Jan-19-14, 12:49
http://forum.zeroinginonhealth.com/

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deirdra
Sun, Jan-19-14, 13:11
You're not missing much. He catered to 20-something male bodybuilders with ~5% body fat & was rude & obnoxious to dieters & lowcarbers who dared to ask questions on his site.

Have you checked Meat & Egg threads on this site? They eat close to 0% carbs and discussions on this site are more friendly.

zeph317
Sun, Jan-19-14, 13:12
yeah, i was on that site at one point, mainly reading, but left because the leader was very narrow minded, his way or you were banned.

HappyLC
Sun, Jan-19-14, 18:32
Yes, it says "closed for maintenance", but since the main "ZIOH" link leads to Charles' notary site, it seemed weird.

I don't want to participate in ZIOH, just was wondering if anyone knew what was up.

teaser
Sat, Jun-06-15, 17:14
I just went to check the ZIOH forum... looks like Charles ran out of other people to ban or something, and finally gave himself the boot.

Meme#1
Sat, Jun-06-15, 17:38
I just went to check the ZIOH forum... looks like Charles ran out of other people to ban or something, and finally gave himself the boot.

:lol: :lol: :lol: I love your comment teaser....
He ran out of other people to ban
Good one!!

taste test
Sat, Jun-06-15, 19:57
I remember when Charles dissected Gary Taubes' book on Jimmy Moore's website, recapping each chapter. He did an excellent job and it was a great service. This was many years ago when things were still friendly and he and Jimmy were still buddies. Charles got so crazy after a while, quickly banning many from his ZIOH site. I'd check in every once in a great while and the last few times, I noticed that people were rarely posting. I suspect that interest just faded. Speaking of zero carb, does anyone remember Lex Rooker? He was an interesting guy (not mean or crazy) who got healthy by eating raw "pet mix" meat that he got mail order. He did some crazy experiments and was always fun to read.

JEY100
Sun, Jun-07-15, 03:37
Interest in ZeroCarb has not faded...I know some LCers who now are eating that way, people I would not have expected to take a more extreme approach.
But when you already eat at 20g a day, going down to zero is actually not much of a leap. Just accept that vegetables have no useful purpose in the diet.

Most have moved to Facebook groups, a couple are active, and the Reddit Keto pages.

RawNut just posted this story from one of the ZeroCarb websites:
http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=467964
Another active ZeroCarber for five years is Amber O'Hearn.
http://www.empiri.ca/p/eat-meat-not-too-little-mostly-fat.html

Marieshops
Sun, Jun-07-15, 05:17
A general question to help me understand the Zero Carb woe - does it just mean really low carb with no veggies? I think I may be too literal, so when I first saw someone saying they were doing Zero Carb, but eating eggs and having coffee with heavy cream I did get confused. Shellfish made me wonder too. Just curious. Thanks.

teaser
Sun, Jun-07-15, 06:30
They seemed to be a little more lax on carbohydrate from animal sources on the site.

One point of contention I find interesting is the need for salt on a zero carb diet.

This is from the Bear's page at zero carb zen;

The only thing careful about my diet is: I don’t use salt; I don’t cook the meat much; and I make sure to eat a lot of fat. Virtually any meat is okay, even for long periods. It is strictly a matter of personal taste. I eat butter, of course. Mayo is normally made with polyunsaturated vegetable oil and is high in omega 6. If you like the stuff – which I do – you should make your own from egg yolks, macadamia oil, and lemon juice. I also love garlic.

Dairy is a kind of meat, but whole milk is sugary- with lactose. Cheese, cream, and butter have had most of the carbohydrates removed and are okay.

Those who are only very slowly losing fat or have stopped losing probably need to lower the carbs to less than 5 gms per day, which I term ‘zero carbs’.

I think I remember Dr. Atkins referring to less than 5 grams as 'effectively zero carbs,' or something similar in one of his books. Which perhaps explains where the strict limits on cheese and heavy cream come from--you can fit a lot of heavy cream and cheese into a 20 gram per day carb allowance, but not very much into a 5 gram allowance.

http://zerocarbzen.com/the-bear/

JEY100
Sun, Jun-07-15, 06:38
Marie, The person I know is Meat and Water Only. Amber has her Five Rules in that link above. Eggs and dairy are optional, but then considered by some hard core advocates, not Zero Carb.

What to eat
There are five simple rules.

Rule 1: Eat nothing but meat.

You can also optionally have eggs, and optionally a little high-fat dairy such as butter or heavy cream.

Prefer “pure” meats like beef, pork, chicken, fish, turkey, lamb, etc. over “processed” meats like sausage or cold cuts. Don't eat meat with high-carb additives in it, such as hot dogs which come with added sugar, or with added corn syrup (which is another word for sugar).

Be aware that some people do not fare as well with a lot of dairy in their diet, and so it is wiser to wait and add it after the initial trial.

Four other rules follow. Drink water, she does add salt.

Marieshops
Sun, Jun-07-15, 06:55
Thanks for the info. I was just curious and as mentioned, also too literal sometimes!

PilotGal
Sun, Jun-07-15, 07:59
Facebook zero carb group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/PrincipiaCarnivora/)
Between Toni, Steve and Amber... they should be a big help.

GRB5111
Sun, Jun-07-15, 10:17
I just went to check the ZIOH forum... looks like Charles ran out of other people to ban or something, and finally gave himself the boot.
" . . . and finally gave himself the boot." Hilarious :lol:

On another thread in this forum, a link to Kelly's page was provided, and on her blog, she provides links to the low carber facebook page she assists with among other links. At any rate, she writes well and her story of going from low carb to zero carb is well told:
http://myzerocarblife.jamesdhogan.com/wp/

From what I understand, zero carb means only animal foodstuffs with no vegetables, fruits, grains or related fiber sources. There was another site supported by a family who embraces the zero carb WOE, Charlene and Joe Anderson and their two kids who eat beef only. I found an article below, and what brought this family to this WOE was the result of looking for a nutritional cure for Charlene's Lime Disease. She has an informative site, but I can't locate it. Here are some additional links for zero carb:

https://gistonice.wordpress.com/2015/05/11/when-eating-only-meat-becomes-a-way-of-life-family-lives-on-only-meat-for-the-past-17-years/
http://zerocarbdaily.blogspot.com/
http://zerocarbzen.com/

Turtle2003
Sun, Jun-07-15, 11:30
I follow Charles' group over on Facebook. I don't try to be that strict, but I enjoy reading about those who do. I must say that Charles has mellowed a lot.

Link (https://www.facebook.com/groups/zioh2/?fref=nf)

JEY100
Mon, Jun-08-15, 04:17
The Anderson Family asked ZeroCarbZen to remove their story...they were being attacked in social media and to protect their family, withdrew. They all looked so healthy and happy, it is shame other nutritional dogmatists were so intolerant.

GRB5111
Mon, Jun-08-15, 05:25
The Anderson Family asked ZeroCarbZen to remove their story...they were being attacked in social media and to protect their family, withdrew. They all looked so healthy and happy, it is shame other nutritional dogmatists were so intolerant.
Amazing . . . but at this point, I shouldn't be surprised. Ambrose Bierce defined prejudice as "A vagrant opinion without visible means of support," and it seems very relevant to the situation.