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Natdoc
Tue, Feb-01-05, 16:29
Hello group,

I just found this site while doing some research on Sugar for my Ph.D Disseration in holistic Nutrition. I am a Naturopath in private practice for the past ten years. We do health analyses for clients using a biological sample to determine the level of organ and sysem function, the presence of invasive organisms and pathogens in the body, nutrient deficiencies, the presence of heavy metals etc. I have clients all over the country and in Canada, Ukraine and Zimbabwe.

My history with the Atkins program goes back to his first book 'The New Diet Revolution. My history in Natural Health goes back to 1970 when I bought Adelle Davis' book 'Let's Get Well' which I still have in my library. I came to the Natural Health pathway after in 1967 doing a diet with an MD in which I took "diet pills", you know, SPEED and a shot every week. I was eating about 500 calories a day and lost 65 pounds faster thatn you can say where'd it go? It came back about that fast too. 1969 was the last time I have taken a prescription medication or seen an MD for a health issue that being for marginal high blood pressure. After three months on the blood pressure I knew that wasn't the path for me. I bought the aforementioned book and my journey in Natural Health began.

I began buying the lastest books on the market and followed the last best advice from these books and when Dr Atkins first book was released I bought it and lost thirty-five pounds in short order. I was still studying and buying other books on Natural Health and following Atkins until I bought into the hew and cry of the day against him.It was said then that anyone following Atkins would die of clogged arteries and heart disease, so I drifted off.

I read and studied and followed the organic lifestyle through the seventies and eighties. In 1990 I went to work for the State of Oregon and when it came time for the annual TB test on the forearm, I tested positive. It was now time for me to see the Naturopath who had helped my mother beat a breast tumor and an aunt with a cervical cancer. He had been in practice since the late 1940's and when I left Dr Slawson's office that day I knew he was the man I had been searching for since 1970. I asked him how I could do what he was doing? I followed his advice, went to school while working for the State and the next time the annual TB testing was done I tested negative. I knew I was on the right track then and when my studies were done I had earned a Doctor of Naturopathy degree as well as a Master of Science degree in Holistic Nutrition. I am now writing my Dissertaion for my Ph.D in Nutrition as I said above.

I went into private practice where I am today where everyday is still a learning experience. I just love it! With clients all over the country, the internet and phone are invaluable.

Now back to Atkins and the low-carb lifestyle. All those years I worked at weight loss and control and had in the back of my head that Atkins was not healthy. OK, I'm a slow learner! Hey, Natural health, vegetarian this and low fat that. You can't be healthy and eat all that meat and fat! Everyone knew that! And my wonderful teacher was an Adventist to boot, vegetarian don't you know. Well I have learned by having many Adventist clients that they have health issues too.

In September of 2003 I just decided I was going to get back on the Atkins program and lose this weight if it killed me. Of course it didn't and I lost a bunch of pounds, from 237 to 175 from Sept 2003 to march 2004.

Then In June of 2004 the University of Pennsylvania release a long term study of people following the Atkins program from the 1970's to now in which they found that these peole not only lost weight, but they reduced two other risk factors for heart disease. These were they had higher levels of HDL and lower levels of LDL in their bloodstream than the average. Well that was nice to hear.

Then in August of 2004 I saw this Professor on one of the Cable news programs and I'm sorry, but I did not get her name or University, but she did a one year study of two groups of dieters. One on low-carb and one on low-fat. They found that both groups lost an average of thirteen pounds. The interesting fact was that when doing the blood work, the low-carb group had higher than average HDL and lower than average LDL and the low-fat group had Higher levels of LDL and lower levels of HDL in their blood.

Well, it appears that the evidence is mounting in favor of Low-carb, Kids! The sad fact is that I could have been a lot better off if I hadn't fallen for the hew and cry of the day in the 1970's, but hey, live and learn and who knows, my path may have been much different and I'm really happy being able to help other every day. So much for listening to the pundits of the day!

Now, I know that not all will follow Atkins, but as for me I will continue to advise and counsel those wanting to lose weight, and the world is full of us, to follow if not Atkins, then a moderate low-carb lifestyle. This is a lifestyle after all. Don't even think of it as a diet that you will go off of when you get to your desired weight. And don't make it too hard on yourself. If it becomes a diet of job, how long will it last. It must be as natural as getting up in the morning. The Atkins people may not like this statement, butI do not and will not buy food in cans and boxes, Packaged food is not the way to go. Buy food that will spoil, and eat it before it does. "The closer to the earth, the closer to the vine, the higher the nutritive quality of your food." Whole and fresh is the way to go. Don't be a "heat and eater." Learn to cook. Enjoy real, live food with all the vital life force intact. The argument is "I'm just too busy to cook." Tune in 30 minute meals on the cooking channel and tell me you can't cook fresh and eat good.

I always counsel my clients to make healthy changes gradually and leave unhealthy habits alone a little at a time. I mean not everyone can just throw the caffeine away and endure that dull and nasty caffeine headache for two to four days. It's much easier to wean ones self off gradually. Pretty soon you are eating and living a lealthy lifestyle and you didn't even notice the change until someone you haven't seen in a long time says WoW! what are you doing? and how can I do it too?

I will say that if a person has a lot of weight to lose, then follow Atkins religiously as the body needs to reorder itself and begin the reconverting of fat to useable cellular fuel. Then when your body is up and functioning at a much higer level of efficiency, and losing those pounds, then I like to counsel to cut back on the meat and fat and add those veggies and high fiber foods and avoid bowel disorders. Fat is nothing more than stored energy and reconverting it is the only way to get rid of it, unless you want it sucked out from under your skin with a long stainless steel tube rammed around under there, or cuf off in large hunks and the skin sewed back together. Ouch!! in spades.

I'll take the low carb lifestyle thank you very much.

OK as usual I've gone on without knowing it. Hey, doctor means teacher and it hits my hot button, what can I say. Have moderation in all things. Eat low-carb and be healthy. Enjoy life, but be sensible about it.

A servant in health I am,

Dr Terry

MsTwacky
Tue, Feb-01-05, 18:19
Hi and Welcome!!!!!

This is a great site full of information!!!!!

You'll love it!!

Natdoc
Wed, Feb-02-05, 09:08
Hi MsTwacky,

Thanks for the note. I'll check in as I can. I'll look forward to interesting and informative chat.

Dr Terry

Coco081392
Wed, Feb-02-05, 09:18
Hello Natdoc,

Welcome.

I found your little lesson/introduction rather interesting.

I hope to see more from you.

Toni

Natdoc
Wed, Feb-02-05, 09:19
Hi MsTwacky,

I posted a reply before I found this quick reply tool.

Thanks for the welcome. I'll visit this site as I can and will enjoy infromative and interesting chat.

Dr Terry

Natdoc
Wed, Feb-02-05, 09:23
Hello Toni,

Thanks for the welcome. Glad you found it interesting. I'll be visiting this site and will be interested in reading and hearing about how folks are doing in their journeys in health and whatever.

Dr Terry

Jiggerz
Wed, Feb-02-05, 10:01
Welcome to the forum, Natdoc. What an interesting post you left us with. I found out about Atkin's via my grandparents when they started taking Chelation treatments quite a few years ago. Although I didn't put it into action until this past year. Do you have any experience or thoughts on Chelation? From everything they've told me, and from what I've read.. it seems too good to be true, kind of like Atkin's sounded as well.

Take care

Michelle

Sweetcake
Wed, Feb-02-05, 10:11
Welcome to the forums!

Natdoc
Thu, Feb-03-05, 09:28
Hello Sweetcakes,

Kudo's on your journey. Feels good to accomplish it doesn't it? I'll look forward to visiting this site to hear these great successes.

Dr Terry

Natdoc
Thu, Feb-03-05, 09:57
Hi Jiggerz,

As you probably know chelation therapy is an intraveinous process. It works wonders in people by cleansing the blood. When I learned live blood analysis in Darkfield, my instructor had just returned from a clinic in Mexico where he had a series of chelation sessions with vitamin C. He said it was rather intense, but was pleased with the results. Vitamin C is a very good cleanser as well as immune system supporter. I'm a big fan of vitamin C. It is a vital nutrient for the body especially the adrenals.

The adrenals weigh only 2-5 grams on average and use more vitamin C than any other organ in the body. They are so vital to health as they produce seven major hormones and over 31 corticosteroids. They are endocrine organs and exert great influence on this system.

When I feel something coming on I start my day with 10,000mg of Vitamin C and take another 1,000mg each hour throughout the day and usually by the next day it pretty much gone. It must be understood that most cold's and flu's are the body's first attempt to eliminate toxic overload.

Cleansing is the first step in the healing process. Then comes healing and rebuilding. Overdose symptoms of vitamin C are loose bowel or a slight skin rash, although I've not encountered anyone who has had the skin rash. I'm told it is a reddening of the skin and not serious. On reducing the intake of vitamin C it goes away on its own.

The loose bowel is a good thing and should not be interfered with as the body is eliminating toxins and junk that caused most likely caused the problem in the first place.

Chelation is an intense way of detoxing the body from toxins including heavy metals, and metabolic waste from cellular metabolism that the lymph nodes cannot neutralize, or toxins or residues from past health issues that just needs to be eliminated.

It is said that about 60% of toxins are eliminated through the lunds in gasseous form and the rest through the bowel, the kidneys, and the skin. The skin is an eliminative organ and is sometimes referred to as the third kidney.

When we put a client on a healing program, skin eruptions and the like, is a common complaint, but is a part of the healing process.

WE don't do chelation as we are not licensed to or would not do invasive procedures. I am a trqaditional Naturopath and do nothing toxic or invasive to the body, We work with the natural rhytms and cycles of the body. We work to help the body help itself and let the natural healing procces. The body is always seeking perfection and we simply help it do what it is naturally sieeking.

Congrats on your success with the low-carb lifestyle,

Dr Terry

BadgerGirl
Thu, Feb-03-05, 10:22
Dr. T, what a great introduction. Welcome!

nikotyme
Thu, Feb-03-05, 10:34
Welcome aboard Dr. Terry

Great to have you with us.

Wondering if you have any thoughts for all us poor arthritically inclined folks who've had to come off Celebrex, Vioxx or any of the other Cox inhibitors and have been left adrift taking huge amounts of Tylenol Extra Strength, at least that's what my family doc suggested, I'm weary of following her advice on this, 2 500 mg 4 times a day, it would like make me so zombie like, sure that I wouldn't care about the stiffness in my knees.

So I've opted to take glucosamine sulfate 3 times a day instead, it will likely take a few weeks for the effects to kick in, but I'm hopeful it may alleviate some of the joint pain, just wondered if it's something you would recommend?

lettalove
Thu, Feb-03-05, 10:41
Dr. Terry, Great Introduction, please keep your work knowledge available to us. Write about any interesting idea or experience you have. I really loved reading your work. Thank you. P.S. please give me your feeling regarding vitamins??? do you suggest them to your patients? If yes, what do you suggest. So many different theries out there.

Natdoc
Thu, Feb-03-05, 12:57
Hello Nikotyme,

Good Lord! 10,000mg of extra strength Tylenol a day? Tylenol is acetaminophen which is known to cause great harm to the liver. I wouldn't take Tylenol if it were the last pain reliever on the face of the planet. In fact, I'd begin doing some liver detoxing, NOW! Sylimarin which is from Milk Thistle would be a good one to use. In my practice and my own vitamin regimin I use NOW Natural Foods products. They test good all the time and their prices are very reasonable. They have a 24% standardized Sylimarin supplement and it is the one I have used with good success.

Take as directed on the label, but only five days a week. Give your body a rest on the weekends. In fact take no herb or supplements more than five days a week. In the case of the Simymarin, take it until the bottle is gone and then leave it alone for a month of two, then if you feel the need, do it again. But don't just start taking it and keep on it. It's not a good idea to take any herb continuously as the body will get used to it and it and there becomes a point of diminishing return. I'd take herbs with the advice and counsel of a practitioner unless you are well versed in the use of herbs. Some herbalists and practitioners recommend too much of a good thing or load up a client with just too many different products. Herbs are powerful medicines and should be taken with care.

The glucosamine is good and if you can find arthenol, which is a collagen product that helps build up the cartilege of the joints, buy it and use it. I will find the the source for you and get it to you. You might try googling "arthenol'.

Your continued loss of lb's and the resultant lessening of pressure on the joints will obviously help. If you are eating any dairy like homogenized milk and cheeses, if you lessen your use or eliminate it altogether you will do yourself a favor. Cultured dairy is different and the body can digest and metabolize cultured dairy like Sour creme, yogurt, buttermilk etc much easier.

I know the dairy industry says milk is a perfect food, but I will tell you that if you feed homogenized milk to a baby calf, that animal will sicken and not thrive. The homogenization process breaks the butterfat into such small particles that they can penetrate intestinal tissue like water. This is not a good thing.

The human body is not equipped to digest and metabolize cow milk very efficiently. However, whole raw goat milk is tolerated quite well by our digestive system.

As far as diet goes, I'd stay away from potatoes and wheat. The starch in these products converts to glucose immediately and raises the blood glucose levels too quickly. Eliminate all refined sugars (sucrose from cane and beets) in all it's forms and guises. Do not even think of using artificial sweeteners including Splenda.

Bottom line on arthritis, like diabetes is it is self inflicted almost 100% of the time. "We are what we eat, and our food is our medicine" as the saying goes. If you are following Atkins I would say that your joint problems will most likely lessen and become a non issue as time goes by.

Your body is always seeking perfection in form and function and as you continue your low-carb lifestyle, you will find that as your body cleanses itself and releasaes its toxic overload it will heal and begin the rebuilding process. Our body has a remarkable ability to rebuild when given the chance. It may sound simplistic, and it is simple, a good and healthy diet will solve many health issues.

As someone who is not a slave to the medical system, I can tell you that being healthy is not all that hard. It's the cleansing and healing process that is sometimes not very pleasant, witness the disordered bowel function or cold's and flu-like symptoms which are elimination of toxic overload. I have a new client that as of this morning wrote me a n E-mail and said that his cold just was gone this morning. He had a cold of better than a week and two days ago mentioned it in a message and I recommend large doses of Vitamin C. He followed the advice and this morning he was amazed that if just disappeared and he was feeling great this morning. Ah, that good old toxic dump! Sorry for the indelicate words there, but it is the best way to describe the cleansing and healing process.

People are so locked into the medical system these days that they think they have to poison themselves with all those prescription medications, not one of which works in harmony with the natural rhythms and cycles of the body. Every prescrition medication had adverse reactions and side effect to the human system. All they do is knock down symptoms, to which your friendly MD says "it is cured". In Natural Health we know that knocking down a symptom does not cure anything. We see symptoms as a red flag or outward sign of an inward problem. We use symptoms as clues to the pathway to the cause. We seek to change the underlying imbalance, dysfunction or malfunction, and when that is corrected, the symptoms go away.

Working with the body and not against it is the true pathway to health. Not what we call cut, burn, and poison medicine practiced by the allopaths (MD's). I know this is foreign to many people because they have been in the system so long that they think if they don't get their pills they will die. I work with people who take so many different meds that they begin to work against each other much to the detriment of the poor person's health and well-being

I would never tell anyone to quit taking their meds, That is up to them and their doctor, but I will certainly do just what I did in my above statements, that it try to teach a different way of living. I have only touched on these things here and have gone on far too long.

So I will close now and just say that if you want to be free of your arthritis, eat healthy and eliminate any destructive habits including caffeine, alcohol, chocolate, tobacco etc. Caffeine is one of the most dangerous as it is a vasoconstrictor. That is, it squeezes down the arteries and vessels of the vascular system, making the heart work harder to pump blood out to the extremeties of the body. Red blood cells carry the nutrients including oxygen (oxygen is life) to the cells of the body for use as fuel and caffeine interferes with efficient blood flow. Caffeine is a very powerful drug that is best left alone.

OK, I'm out of here as I do have an analysis to run on a young client. I hope I have not overwhelmed you Nikotyme. It is hard for me to answer a question simply when there is no simply answewr to it.

Congrats again on your progress and hang with it, it is a healthy lifestyle.

A servant in health I am,

Dr terry

nikotyme
Thu, Feb-03-05, 13:14
Thanks Dr. Terry

No, you haven't overwhelmed me at all, just confirmed my fears of what my MD prescribed, the Tylenol, I didn't take her advice and didn't start taking them at all.

As far as milk, I haven't drank any at all since starting Atkins, but I do have cream in my decaf coffee, apart from that in the dairy family I have cheese and sour cream only.

No wheat products either, whole or refined or any other starch for that matter and no sugar, but you say no splenda? yikes!! How about Stevia? I've used that to sweeten recipes as well and it is tasty though more costly.

I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions, I'm sure you're going to be a tad busy when more people read your introduction here.

Thanks again.

puddypark
Thu, Feb-03-05, 13:16
Dr. Terry
Welcome Welcome Welcome!
You should start a journal--Great to have you around!
-betsy

Natdoc
Thu, Feb-03-05, 13:30
Hi Nikotyne,

Stevia is a good and healthy sweetener. I also use mederately Sucanat which is dried cane juse with all the other nutrients still intact. Turbinado is cane juice that is spun in a device called a turbine, hence the name. Just be sure to read the label for carb content and use accordingly.

Splenda is "Sucralose' which is 600 times weeter than sucrose (sugar) and has had three molecules replaced with chlorine molecules. Google "Sucralose" and you can read some of the data yourself. Just remember this "The closer to the earth, the closer to the vine, the higher the nutritive quality of your food." The farther away you get from whole and fresh, the less valuable a food is. Many refined and processed foods actually rob the body of its valuable reserves by causing the system to work harder to digest and metabolize these foods. There may be a lot of flash (instant energy) in some foods , but there is no staying power. If you have to chew your food, your system will extract the nutrients over time, giving sustained energy as opposed to instant, but poor quality energy. It's like gasoline on a fire. Whoosh! and then it's gone. Chew the carrot and make yuor body work to get the energy. Don't juice it so it's there in a flash.

Dr Terry

lettalove
Thu, Feb-03-05, 13:45
Dr. Terry, Please dont forget me. Vitamins? Yes?, No? How Many?, Which ones?. I know you are busy so when you get a free moment. Thanks so much in advance.

sam59
Thu, Feb-03-05, 14:44
Welcome to the forum Dr. Terry. I'm sure there would be a lot of folks that would love to visit a journal if you were to start one. It's the best way to make buddies around here.

Any thoughts on Valerian? I've read conflicting reports, one that it's effectiveness only reaches peak after it's been in your system for a regular period...and then another that you shouldn't take it regularly at all. I do take it almost nightly, and am interested in whether this is something you recommend for the 5 day only thing?


Sam

doreen T
Thu, Feb-03-05, 20:31
hello Dr Terry,

I applaud your hard work and study on the road to health. Information and knowledge are empowering! :cool:

....In June of 2004 the University of Pennsylvania release a long term study of people following the Atkins program from the 1970's to now in which they found that these peole not only lost weight, but they reduced two other risk factors for heart disease. These were they had higher levels of HDL and lower levels of LDL in their bloodstream than the average. Well that was nice to hear.
This is interesting indeed! I hadn't heard of such a long term study before, and would appreciate knowing more about it. A web link or medical journal reference would be great; we could add it to our Research archive.

In May 2003, U. Penn published the results of a one year study (http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/348/21/2082) of Atkins diet vs. conventional low calorie, low fat diet in theNew England Journal of Medicine. In that study, the low carb dieters lost more weight at 3 months and 6 months compared to the low fat dieters, but by one year things were fairly even between the two. Unfortunately, the drop-out rate from both diets was fairly high. LDL was not changed in either group, but the low carb dieters showed improved HDL and triglycerides. Both diets improved blood pressure and insulin sensitivity.

In May 2004, Duke University Medical Center published the results of a more comprehensive 6-month study (http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/140/10/769), with a larger number of participants. In this study, the low carb dieters lost significantly more weight than the low fat group. As with the U. Penn study from 2003, the low carbers experienced greater improvement in HDL and triglycerides than the low fat group, while LDL remained essentially unchanged in both groups.

... I will say that if a person has a lot of weight to lose, then follow Atkins religiously as the body needs to reorder itself and begin the reconverting of fat to useable cellular fuel. Then when your body is up and functioning at a much higer level of efficiency, and losing those pounds, then I like to counsel to cut back on the meat and fat and add those veggies and high fiber foods and avoid bowel disorders.
Atkins and other lowcarb plans also recommend increasing vegetables and other carbohydrate foods such as low-sugar fruits and whole grains as part of the program. :thup: I'm not sure how meat and fats are related to avoiding bowel disorders though??

As for fiber, recent studies have shown that it may be overrated when it comes to bowel health. It provides only modest benefit for chronic constipation (http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=231342); fiber from grains has shown little or no benefit (http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/cholesterol_myth_3.html) for preventing bowel cancers and may even have negative effects. Phytates found in grains, especially wheat bran, bind with calcium preventing it from being absorbed ... calcium definitely has shown benefit for lowering risk of certain bowel cancers, so you don't want to prevent its absorption! In other studies of vegetables and fruits, again, fiber was shown to have little effect on cancer prevention .. however their antioxidant nutrients can be protective.


regards :rose:

Doreen

doreen T
Thu, Feb-03-05, 20:50
......The glucosamine is good and if you can find arthenol, which is a collagen product that helps build up the cartilege of the joints, buy it and use it. I will find the the source for you and get it to you. You might try googling "arthenol'. .......
:exclm:

Just a note about glucosamine. It should be used with caution by diabetics and persons with blood sugar or insulin resistance problems. Studies suggest that it can even increase the likelihood of developing insulin resistance in persons with normal blood sugars.

Glucosamine Sulfate : A Popular Arthritis Remedy May Be Linked To Diabetes

by Cathy Wong

Glucosamine is a substance that occurs naturally in the human body. It provides strength, flexibility, and elasticity to cartilage and connective tissue by stimulating the production of glycosaminoglycans, molecules that hold joint tissue together. Glucosamine also decreases inflammation that can lead to joint destruction.

With the potential to repair damaged joints and slow the progression of osteoarthritis, glucosamine has become an immensely popular dietary supplement around the world; in 1999, glucosamine was the top-selling dietary supplement in the United States, with annual sales of US $288 million.

However, a few clinical reports have suggested side effects that even health practitioners were initially unaware of. One woman reported that her diabetes symptoms worsened after taking glucosamine.

Why?

Glucosamine is ten times as potent as regular glucose in causing insulin resistance in animals. It can increase fasting blood glucose (sugar) levels and worsen glucose tolerance.

These side effects occur because glucosamine activates a metabolic pathway in the body that leads to the deterioration of insulin-producing cells in the pancreas and causes insulin resistance, two factors associated with diabetes. Researchers at Johns Hopkins recently found that activation of this pathway, called the hexosamine pathway, causes proteins to be coated in sugar, preventing them from passing along insulin's message to regulate blood glucose.

Many studies have been conducted around the world on glucosamine, yet these side effects have not been noted. It may be that only certain people will react. Further study is needed on the safety of the oral supplement form. Until then, people taking glucosamine sulfate should consult a health practitioner.

article at about.com (http://yoga.about.com/library/weekly/aa051402a.htm)The actual Johns Hopkins Study is posted in our Research forum ... you can read it here (http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?postid=338641&highlight=glucosamine#post338641).

MSM (methylsulfonylmethane) can be helpful for joint and muscle aches, along with fish oils. There is some excellent information about MSM posted here (http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?postid=201312#post201312). MSM may actually be helpful for blood sugar and insulin balance too. It is supportive for the liver, as it's a rich source of dietary sulfur, a precursor for the detoxifying amino acids glutathione and methionine..


:idea:

Doreen

Natdoc
Fri, Feb-04-05, 10:06
Hi lettalove,

Yes, I do recommend vitamins as unless you are fortunate enough to eat all oraginically grown veggetables, what we get from the supermarkets is anemic. In farming today which is basically chemical farming with chemicals applied to kill weeds, kill pests, fertilize the crop etc, the only thing the dirt does is hold the plants in place. I live in a farming community in southwestern Idaho and the spray planes begin flying as soon as the weather warms up and things get going. The soil is depleted of minerals, microbes and all the good things that create healthy plants holding high levels of nutrients.

I'm not saying don't eat your veggies from the supermarket at all. For most it is the only place they think they can buy them. For many though, gardens are still planted, expecially in rural America, and there are more people producing organic produce all the time. Even the major supermarkets like Albertsons and others are offering orgainic produce.

Vitamins and minerals are foods. They should be thought of a part of the diet and eaten or taken with or after meals on a regular basis. I don't want to sound like a commercial, but I like NOW Natural Foods products. They have been around for some twenty-five years and always test good for us. I use their Special Two multivitamin. It is a powerhouse of nutrients including green superfoods. Log onto www.vitaglo.com and you'll find a really good source of Special Two cheapoer than I can buy it wholesale from the Company. I can't buy carloads and they can. You can get bottles of 180 for just under twenty dollars. A really good buy as I have to charge $16.99 for bottles of 90, so I am recommending to my clients who are online this source. Learn to be a label reader. If you don't know what's in it, don't buy it. Becoming a label reader is a really good idea for anyone. I also use on a regular basis other supplements like CoQ10, Omega 3-6-9 from NOW, Vitamin C on a regular basis and Calcium for sure.

Almost all functions of the body use and need calcium for efficient function. I use NOW's calcium & Magnesium reverse ratio 1:2 It has twice the magnesium as calcium and includes zinc and vitamin D. Or if I don't test as need that much magnesium I use Calcium with magnesium, zinc and vitamin D which has twice the calcium as magnesium.

There are many different brands on the market and it is up to each individual to choose their favorite, but be sure to read the label. Special two is loaded with good amounts of all nutrients including minerals and other ingredients. I would not buy the old one a day vitamins you find in the drug store or supermarket. I've not read a label of those what had anything more then the "minimum daily requirement or required daily amounts."

I also take a green food supplement that I blend and have encapsulated. It contains spirulina, broken cell wall chlorella and barley grass. This is quite literally a perfect food. For an informative few minutes, log onto www.chlorellafactor.com There is a thirty-nine page booklet written by a medical journalist on the benefits of these humble microalgae. Yes I said microalgae. Spirulina and Chlorella are single cell microalgae. Chlorella is the richest source of chlorophyl on the planet, it has cancer fighting properties and a whole lot more.

Spirulina is 60% protein by weight and contains almost all of the amino acids, all of the B vitamins including B-12. It contains minerals and is simply a powerhouse of nutrition on its own. I mentioned these humble single celled plants are a perfect food and a person could live and be well on these foods alone. Yes I know that sounds like phooey, but in sufficient quantities it would sustain life as it contains all the nutrients needed for efficient function of the human body. Now, I don't take that much daily but I do include four capsules of my blend with each meal. Spirulina and Chlorella are not cheap even when bought wholesale, but I think it worth the price.

The simple fact is that if a person supplements their diet with good quality vitamins and minerals, they will do themselves a favor. They are foods and their benefits are wide ranging, yet their benefit is generally not felt as a great boost, but subtle and cell building. Many people do notice a difference in the beginning, but the real benefit is long term.

If vitamins and minerals are included in the grocery budget and eaten as part of the diet, in the long term, that person will receive the benefit of improved health.

This is just my humble opinion based on thirty-five years experience using and studying nutrition and natural health.

Dr Terry

Natdoc
Fri, Feb-04-05, 10:36
Hello Sam59,

Valerian is a very powerful nervine that has calming sedative effect, but it should not be used long term as it can cause mental depression in some people. Herbs are best taken for a specific purpose, for a specific time period and then left alone for a while. The body will build up tolerance and if that herb is acting on a particular organ then you can get negative results.

Insulin is an example of what I mean. A person who is diagnosed as diabetic and the doctor puts them on insulin. What happens is the pancreas basically says, OK, theres insulin in the blood stream so I don't have to work anymore. Now what happens when we become sedentary, or we break an arm for instance and can't use it? The muscle atrophy's because it is not being used. Obviously this is not a good thing and we have to build up the muscle after the bone is healed and we can use the arm again.

Well, it is the same thing with long-term use of herbs. Use an herb sparingly, receive the benefits and get off it. The next time you may need it again, it will work as it did before, and you won't have to increase the dosage to get the same benefit.

If you suffer from insomnia, then the course of action is to find out why, or find the cause; correct that and the symptom (insomnia) will go away and you'll be able to sleep through the nite.

OK, tell me how to start a journal. What is it and what is its use? You said it is a good way to meet new friends. Is it a personal connection with a person? This site forbids the sharing of E-dresses and I don't feel comfortable getting personal in this venue as there are many questions I would ask you before I would feel comfortable giving you personal advice and counsel. I can give general thoughts and such, but there are questions I would ask if it weren't for publication to the world.

I hope the info on valerian is useful.

Dr Terry

Natdoc
Fri, Feb-04-05, 10:43
Hello Doreen T,

You are right, and with my clients I monitor glucose tolerance, and test clients for their need for glucosamine and any other supplements or products they may be taking.

Thanks for posting the info. It's how this knowledge gets to everyone. It's hard to include everything in these postings and shows that there are lots of informed people out there.

Dr Terry

Sweetcake
Sat, Feb-05-05, 18:21
http://forum.lowcarber.org/forumdisplay.php?f=36

How to start your journal:

It's easy ... simply click on the Journals / Bootcamp > link above, Then, click on the "new thread" button, write your first entry and a title (will become the title of your journal), and click "Submit". To add entries to your journal and respond to others in their journals, use the "post reply" button. A special link is added to your profile once you've submitted your new journal thread. Just look for the icon at the bottom of any of your posts, on your member profile page, or at the top of every forum page; this will take you to the most recent messages. A journal is a great way to share your low-carb progress with other members. The intent is to keep track of what you're doing; what's working and what isn't; your challenges, goals and setbacks. You might return to previous entries to see what used to work, what changed, etc. Others may take a peek and offer suggestions and encouragement.

sam59
Tue, Feb-08-05, 12:29
Well Sweetcakes beat me to it... :lol: There is also a sticky on the subject at the top of the Introduce Yourself thread menu.

A journal here is used more as a personal diary of our journeys. Some of us share very intimate details of our lives, some others just post LC information and our daily foods etc. It's an each to it's own thing. If you click on the "Journal" button at the bottom of anyone's post, it will take you to their personal journal. Other members are free to post in the journals and we do have a lot of fun back and forth. Click on a couple and have a look, you'll get the idea.

Once you have found an interest in someone's journal, you can subscribe to it under "thread tools" and keep track of postings by using your CP button at the top of your journal (CP = control panel)

Thanks for the info...I had a feeling that I shouldn't be taking it so regularly. Sigh.

Sam