Hi, can anyone recommend a good mercury detox course that
comes in a simple one-a-day capsule or drink form?

I had six large mercury amalgam fillings in my mouth for 15
years, but have had them all professionally removed (a year
ago) using a rubber dam. I did take supplements at the time
(such as charcoal) but I still have some symptoms and I feel
as though it is still in my system and maybe brain.

I want to chelate the metal out of my organs ASAP.

Thanks in advance.

HS

In sci.med.nutrition me@mine.com wrote:
> Hi, can anyone recommend a good mercury detox course that
> comes in a simple one-a-day capsule or drink form?

I use the amorphous diatomaceous earth "DEtox" strategy
discussed here as part of my own personal "insurance" that I
don't develop serious immune problems from having mercury
amalgams in every molar of my mouth:

http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org/immunecf.htm

--
_o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
_____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:55:19 GMT, <me@mine.com> wrote:

>Hi, can anyone recommend a good mercury detox course that
>comes in a simple one-a-day capsule or drink form?
>
>I had six large mercury amalgam fillings in my mouth for 15
>years, but have had them all professionally removed (a year
>ago) using a rubber dam. I did take supplements at the time
>(such as charcoal) but I still have some symptoms and I feel
>as though it is still in my system and maybe brain.
>
>I want to chelate the metal out of my organs ASAP.

Do a search on selenium and mercury.

Paul R

Andy Cutler has worked out a safe and efficient mercury detox
using DSMA and alpha lipoic acid, every 3-4 hrs around the
clock. Moving mercury around the body is quite dangerous and
needs to be done by strictly following a safe protocol. The
Autism_Mercury Yahoo Groups is the source of Andy Cutler's
information. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury

Peter Moses.

This group is the wrong place for you. My advice: check this
newsgroup:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/autism-mercury/archives/

But keep in mind that 'mercury detox' is controversial,
not simple, and not well supported by research at this
point :-) ada

<me@mine.com> wrote in message
news:<bcLO8.1450$0t3.35921077@news-text.cableinet.net>...
> Hi, can anyone recommend a good mercury detox course that
> comes in a simple one-a-day capsule or drink form?
>
> I had six large mercury amalgam fillings in my mouth for 15
> years, but have had them all professionally removed (a year
> ago) using a rubber dam. I did take supplements at the time
> (such as charcoal) but I still have some symptoms and I feel
> as though it is still in my system and maybe brain.
>
> I want to chelate the metal out of my organs ASAP.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> HS

Without trying to sound nasty in any way ,shape or form you
sound a lot like an older woman I know. I think you should see
a doctor about this or perhaps a psychologist. Sounds like you
have more problem with anxiety than mercury. I doubt very much
that you could "sense" it in your body or brain. This is a
common complaint among people with anxiety attacks.

A good one is "From Panic To Power". this describes this
plainly in the first couple of chapters.

Check it out.

<me@mine.com> wrote in message
news:bcLO8.1450$0t3.35921077@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Hi, can anyone recommend a good mercury detox course that
> comes in a
simple
> one-a-day capsule or drink form?
>
> I had six large mercury amalgam fillings in my mouth for 15
> years, but
have
> had them all professionally removed (a year ago) using a
> rubber dam. I
did
> take supplements at the time (such as charcoal) but I still
> have some symptoms and I feel as though it is still in my
> system and maybe brain.
>
> I want to chelate the metal out of my organs ASAP.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> HS

In sci.med.nutrition Gym Bob <noney@spam.com> wrote:
> Without trying to sound nasty in any way ,shape or form

Oh, well, can't win them all, huh? ;^]

> an older woman I know. I think you should see a doctor about
> this or perhaps a psychologist. Sounds like you have more
> problem with anxiety than mercury.

OTOH, people with "anxiety" can still have a valid reason
to be so...

> I doubt very much that you could "sense" it in your body or
> brain. This is a common complaint among people with anxiety
> attacks.

Well, the symptoms weren't detailed, so you are broad-jumping
to conclusions. Anyone who assumes that the widespread
contamination of the environment worldwide doesn't personally
affect their health is naive at best and delusional at worst.
To scoff at this problem is counter-productive to the issue
raised. I have been using DE for three years now, and have no
reason to not continue doing so. It appears to be a slow and
steady "shotgun" approach to eliminating a variety of toxic
compounds, among other uses, and the cost of using it is
minimal in comparison to other more aggressive (and dangerous)
methods. The last time I checked (I haven't had to buy any for
several years), a local supplier was charging $25.00 USD
retail for a 50 pound bag that would last an individual
approximately 7 years. For what it's worth... ;^]

--
_o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
_____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

I never "scoffed" at anybody's problem. This can be serious
stuff and I am having mercury fillings removed also when time
and money permits. When you start feeling things "in your
brain" this is an unhealthy amount of anxiety. First your
brain has no feeling and second this (as I stated in the
orginal answer) is a classic symptom of anxiety problems gone
amuck. I have close first hand of this symptom myself in the
family so I am quite sensitive to the sufferring that goes on
before somebody figures out the cause of most of the insane
symptoms. My family sufferred through this problem for 30
years before discovering a cause.

It doesn't hurt to check this out with a doctor that you trust
or talk it over with a councellor to be sure. "To be sure"
will help the anxiety...whether considered a problem by anyone
else or not.

Good luck to this person. I really wish you well.

"Kristofer D. Dale" <barefoot@plato.nmia.com> wrote in message
news:H%oP8.124437$Fp1.17567@atlpnn01.usenetserver.com...
> In sci.med.nutrition Gym Bob <noney@spam.com> wrote:
> > Without trying to sound nasty in any way ,shape or form
>
> Oh, well, can't win them all, huh? ;^]
>
> > an older woman I know. I think you should see a doctor
> > about this or
perhaps
> > a psychologist. Sounds like you have more problem with
> > anxiety than
mercury.
>
> OTOH, people with "anxiety" can still have a valid reason to
> be so...
>
> > I doubt very much that you could "sense" it in your body
> > or brain. This
is a
> > common complaint among people with anxiety attacks.
>
> Well, the symptoms weren't detailed, so you are
> broad-jumping to conclusions. Anyone who assumes that the
> widespread contamination of the environment worldwide
> doesn't personally affect their health is naive at best and
> delusional at worst. To scoff at this problem is
> counter-productive to the issue raised. I have been using DE
> for three years now, and have no reason to not continue
> doing so. It appears to be a slow and steady "shotgun"
> approach to eliminating a variety of toxic compounds, among
> other uses, and the cost of using it is minimal in
> comparison to other more aggressive (and dangerous) methods.
> The last time I checked (I haven't had to buy any for
> several years), a local supplier was charging $25.00 USD
> retail for a 50 pound bag that would last an individual
> approximately 7 years. For what it's worth... ;^]
>
> --
> _o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
> _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...
>
> p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

That's a great help thanks.

Can you give more info on what this 'DE' is and how it is best
taken for post-amalgam filling removal please.

HS

"Kristofer D. Dale" <barefoot@plato.nmia.com> wrote in message
news:H%oP8.124437$Fp1.17567@atlpnn01.usenetserver.com...
> In sci.med.nutrition Gym Bob <noney@spam.com> wrote:
> > Without trying to sound nasty in any way ,shape or form
>
> Oh, well, can't win them all, huh? ;^]
>
> > an older woman I know. I think you should see a doctor
> > about this or
perhaps
> > a psychologist. Sounds like you have more problem with
> > anxiety than
mercury.
>
> OTOH, people with "anxiety" can still have a valid reason to
> be so...
>
> > I doubt very much that you could "sense" it in your body
> > or brain. This
is a
> > common complaint among people with anxiety attacks.
>
> Well, the symptoms weren't detailed, so you are
> broad-jumping to conclusions. Anyone who assumes that the
> widespread contamination of the environment worldwide
> doesn't personally affect their health is naive at best and
> delusional at worst. To scoff at this problem is
> counter-productive to the issue raised. I have been using DE
> for three years now, and have no reason to not continue
> doing so. It appears to be a slow and steady "shotgun"
> approach to eliminating a variety of toxic compounds, among
> other uses, and the cost of using it is minimal in
> comparison to other more aggressive (and dangerous) methods.
> The last time I checked (I haven't had to buy any for
> several years), a local supplier was charging $25.00 USD
> retail for a 50 pound bag that would last an individual
> approximately 7 years. For what it's worth... ;^]
>
> --
> _o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
> _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...
>
> p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

I think you took me too literally when I said I feel as though
it is still in my brain!

HS

"Gym Bob" <noney@spam.com> wrote in message
news:MXpP8.570$aZ.91534446@radon.golden.net...
> I never "scoffed" at anybody's problem. This can be serious
> stuff and I am having mercury fillings removed also when
> time and money permits. When you start feeling things "in
> your brain" this is an unhealthy amount of
anxiety.
> First your brain has no feeling and second this (as I
> stated in the
orginal
> answer) is a classic symptom of anxiety problems gone amuck.
> I have close first hand of this symptom myself in the family
> so I am quite sensitive to the sufferring that goes on
> before somebody figures out the cause of most
of
> the insane symptoms. My family sufferred through this
> problem for 30 years before discovering a cause.
>
> It doesn't hurt to check this out with a doctor that you
> trust or talk it over with a councellor to be sure. "To be
> sure" will help the anxiety...whether considered a problem
> by anyone else or not.
>
> Good luck to this person. I really wish you well.
>
>
> "Kristofer D. Dale" <barefoot@plato.nmia.com> wrote in
> message
> news:H%oP8.124437$Fp1.17567@atlpnn01.usenetserver.com...
> > In sci.med.nutrition Gym Bob <noney@spam.com> wrote:
> > > Without trying to sound nasty in any way ,shape or form
> >
> > Oh, well, can't win them all, huh? ;^]
> >
> > > an older woman I know. I think you should see a doctor
> > > about this or
> perhaps
> > > a psychologist. Sounds like you have more problem with
> > > anxiety than
> mercury.
> >
> > OTOH, people with "anxiety" can still have a valid reason
> > to be so...
> >
> > > I doubt very much that you could "sense" it in your body
> > > or brain.
This
> is a
> > > common complaint among people with anxiety attacks.
> >
> > Well, the symptoms weren't detailed, so you are
> > broad-jumping to conclusions. Anyone who assumes that the
> > widespread contamination of the environment worldwide
> > doesn't personally affect their health is naive at best
> > and delusional at worst. To scoff at this problem is
> > counter-productive to the issue raised. I have been using
> > DE for three years now, and have no reason to not continue
> > doing so. It appears to be
a
> > slow and steady "shotgun" approach to eliminating a
> > variety of toxic compounds, among other uses, and the cost
> > of using it is minimal in comparison to other more
> > aggressive (and dangerous) methods. The last
time
> > I checked (I haven't had to buy any for several years), a
> > local supplier was charging $25.00 USD retail for a 50
> > pound bag that would last an individual approximately 7
> > years. For what it's worth... ;^]
> >
> > --
> > _o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged
> > individualist, _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at
> > large...
> >
> > p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org
>

OK...just sounded like a little distress there and I was
concerned. Hit close to home.

<me@mine.com> wrote in message
news:4TsP8.4245$7w.70822220@news-text.cableinet.net...
> I think you took me too literally when I said I feel as
> though it is still in my brain!
>
> HS
>
> "Gym Bob" <noney@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:MXpP8.570$aZ.91534446@radon.golden.net...
> > I never "scoffed" at anybody's problem. This can be
> > serious stuff and I
am
> > having mercury fillings removed also when time and money
> > permits. When
you
> > start feeling things "in your brain" this is an unhealthy
> > amount of
> anxiety.
> > First your brain has no feeling and second this (as I
> > stated in the
> orginal
> > answer) is a classic symptom of anxiety problems gone
> > amuck. I have
close
> > first hand of this symptom myself in the family so I am
> > quite sensitive
to
> > the sufferring that goes on before somebody figures out
> > the cause of
most
> of
> > the insane symptoms. My family sufferred through this
> > problem for 30
years
> > before discovering a cause.
> >
> > It doesn't hurt to check this out with a doctor that you
> > trust or talk
it
> > over with a councellor to be sure. "To be sure" will help
> > the anxiety...whether considered a problem by anyone else
> > or not.
> >
> > Good luck to this person. I really wish you well.
> >
> >
> > "Kristofer D. Dale" <barefoot@plato.nmia.com> wrote in
> > message
> > news:H%oP8.124437$Fp1.17567@atlpnn01.usenetserver.com...
> > > In sci.med.nutrition Gym Bob <noney@spam.com> wrote:
> > > > Without trying to sound nasty in any way ,shape or
> > > > form
> > >
> > > Oh, well, can't win them all, huh? ;^]
> > >
> > > > an older woman I know. I think you should see a doctor
> > > > about this or
> > perhaps
> > > > a psychologist. Sounds like you have more problem with
> > > > anxiety than
> > mercury.
> > >
> > > OTOH, people with "anxiety" can still have a valid
> > > reason to be so...
> > >
> > > > I doubt very much that you could "sense" it in your
> > > > body or brain.
> This
> > is a
> > > > common complaint among people with anxiety attacks.
> > >
> > > Well, the symptoms weren't detailed, so you are
> > > broad-jumping to conclusions. Anyone who assumes that
> > > the widespread contamination of
the
> > > environment worldwide doesn't personally affect their
> > > health is naive
at
> > > best and delusional at worst. To scoff at this problem
> > > is counter-productive to the issue raised. I have been
> > > using DE for three years now, and have no reason to not
> > > continue doing so. It appears to
be
> a
> > > slow and steady "shotgun" approach to eliminating a
> > > variety of toxic compounds, among other uses, and the
> > > cost of using it is minimal in comparison to other more
> > > aggressive (and dangerous) methods. The last
> time
> > > I checked (I haven't had to buy any for several years),
> > > a local
supplier
> > > was charging $25.00 USD retail for a 50 pound bag that
> > > would last an individual approximately 7 years. For what
> > > it's worth... ;^]
> > >
> > > --
> > > _o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged
> > > individualist, _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic
> > > at large...
> > >
> > > p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org
> > >
> >
>

<me@mine.com> wrote in message
news:bcLO8.1450$0t3.35921077@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Hi, can anyone recommend a good mercury detox course that
> comes in a
simple
> one-a-day capsule or drink form?
>
> I had six large mercury amalgam fillings in my mouth for 15
> years, but
have
> had them all professionally removed (a year ago) using a
> rubber dam. I
did
> take supplements at the time (such as charcoal) but I still
> have some symptoms and I feel as though it is still in my
> system and maybe brain.
>
> I want to chelate the metal out of my organs ASAP.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> HS
To treat patients for mercury overload, doctors prescribe a
variety of nutrients and drugs to chelate mercury out of the
body and protect cells from the effects of the large amounts
of free mercury being released into the bloodstream for
urinary excretion. It is especially important to initiate this
protocol at least two weeks before mercury dental fillings
(amalgams) are to be removed.

What follows is a 33-day mercury detoxification protocol used
by many alternative medicine doctors.

For weeks one and two, the following nutrients should be
taken: NUTRIENT DOSE N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC) 600 mg twice a
day Alpha Lipoic Acid 250 mg two times a day Glutathione 250
mg twice a day Glycine 500 mg twice a day Vitamin C 5,000 to
10,000 mg a day Vitamin E 400 to 800 IU a day MSM
(methylsulphonyl methane) 1000 mg twice a day Garlic
(high-allicin form such as Pure Gar) Avoid if offensive odor
becomes a social problem. 900 mg a day Cilantro (Chinese
parsley) Stop using Cilantro after two weeks or on the day
that mercury chelation therapy begins during the third week. 1
drop, rubbed on to the wrist two times a day Chlorella
Chlorella may cause diarrhea, so starting off at the lower
dose is important. 1500 to 3000 mg a day for the first 14
days. On days13-33 increase to 7000 to 8000 mg a day. Selenium
Avoid selenium for the 19 days of Chemet therapy that begins
in the third week. 200 mcg Multi-vitamin

Starting at week three, continue taking all of the above
nutrients except selenium and cilantro and initiate treatment
with the drug Chemet using the following dose: First five days
Days six through nineteen Chemet (DMSA) (Captomer by Thorne
Research) (meso-2,3-dimercaptosuccinic acid) 100 mg every
eight hours 100 mg every twelve hours

Chemet (DMSA) is a sulfhydryl-containing, water-soluble,
non-toxic, orally-administered metal chelator which has been
in use as an antidote to heavy metal toxicity since the 1950s.
More recent clinical use and research substantiates this
compound's efficacy and safety, and establishes it as the
premier metal chelation compound, based on oral dosing,
urinary excretion, and its safety characteristics compared to
other chelating substances. Chemet is a prescription drug.

In lieu of oral Chemet therapy, some doctors prefer to use
intravenous mercury chelation therapy which is described later
in the protocol.

Blood and urine testing

Before initiating this 33-day mercury detoxification protocol,
doctors suggest that a CBC-Chemistry blood test be performed
that includes kidney-liver-thyroid function, lipids and
magnesium. Of greatest concern is potential kidney toxicity
that can occur when the body releases its mercury stores for
excretion through the kidneys. Those with underlying kidney
disease may not be able to undergo aggressive mercury
detoxification therapy.

The only proven method of diagnosing mercury overload in the
body is a 24 hour urine collection. This involves a laboratory
sending you a urine collection bag for you to urinate in over
a 24 hour period. If urine mercury levels are elevated, the
33-day protocol is advised. At the end of the 33-days, another
24-hour urine collection is recommended to verify that
sufficient mercury detoxification has really occurred.

Intravenous mercury chelation therapy

Some doctors aggressively treat mercury overload with
intravenous therapy designed to specifically chelate mercury
from the body. The chelating agent used to remove mercury from
the body is called DMPS (dimercapto-propanyl-sulfate). In
addition to DMPS, doctors often add ten grams of vitamin C and
other nutrients to further help detoxify the body and protect
cells during this mercury removal process.

It is important to note that while standard chelation
therapy using EDTA (ethylene diamine tetra acidic acid)
removes calcium and lead, it does not adequately bind to and
remove mercury.

Intravenous therapy using DMPS may involve six monthly visits
to the doctor' s office until a urine test shows that mercury
levels have dropped to the safest possible level.

And if all that stuff doesn't kill ya you don't have to worry
about the mercury amalgams....LOL

"Craig Health" <CRAIG@noscape.net> wrote in message
news:sAAP8.2909$Nd1.128771117@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
>
> <me@mine.com> wrote in message
> news:bcLO8.1450$0t3.35921077@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > Hi, can anyone recommend a good mercury detox course that
> > comes in a
> simple
> > one-a-day capsule or drink form?
> >
> > I had six large mercury amalgam fillings in my mouth for
> > 15 years, but
> have
> > had them all professionally removed (a year ago) using a
> > rubber dam. I
> did
> > take supplements at the time (such as charcoal) but I
> > still have some symptoms and I feel as though it is still
> > in my system and maybe brain.
> >
> > I want to chelate the metal out of my organs ASAP.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > HS
> To treat patients for mercury overload, doctors prescribe a
> variety of nutrients and drugs to chelate mercury out of the
> body and protect cells from the effects of the large amounts
> of free mercury being released into the bloodstream for
> urinary excretion. It is especially important to initiate
> this protocol at least two weeks before mercury dental
> fillings (amalgams) are to be removed.
>
> What follows is a 33-day mercury detoxification protocol
> used by many alternative medicine doctors.
>
> For weeks one and two, the following nutrients should be
> taken: NUTRIENT DOSE N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC) 600 mg twice a
> day Alpha Lipoic Acid 250 mg two times a day Glutathione 250
> mg twice a day Glycine 500 mg twice a day Vitamin C 5,000 to
> 10,000 mg a day Vitamin E 400 to 800 IU a day MSM
> (methylsulphonyl methane) 1000 mg twice a day Garlic
> (high-allicin form such as Pure Gar) Avoid if offensive odor
becomes
> a social problem. 900 mg a day Cilantro (Chinese parsley)
> Stop using Cilantro after two weeks or on the day that
> mercury chelation therapy begins during the third week. 1
> drop, rubbed on to the wrist two times a day Chlorella
> Chlorella may cause diarrhea, so starting off at the lower
> dose is important. 1500 to 3000 mg a day for the first 14
> days. On days13-33 increase to 7000 to 8000 mg a day.
> Selenium Avoid selenium for the 19 days of Chemet therapy
> that begins in the third week. 200 mcg Multi-vitamin
>
> Starting at week three, continue taking all of the above
> nutrients except selenium and cilantro and initiate
> treatment with the drug Chemet using
the
> following dose: First five days Days six through nineteen
> Chemet (DMSA) (Captomer by Thorne Research)
> (meso-2,3-dimercaptosuccinic acid) 100 mg every eight hours
> 100 mg every twelve hours
>
> Chemet (DMSA) is a sulfhydryl-containing, water-soluble,
> non-toxic, orally-administered metal chelator which has been
> in use as an antidote to heavy metal toxicity since the
> 1950s. More recent clinical use and
research
> substantiates this compound's efficacy and safety, and
> establishes it as
the
> premier metal chelation compound, based on oral dosing,
> urinary excretion, and its safety characteristics
> compared to other chelating substances. Chemet is a
> prescription drug.
>
> In lieu of oral Chemet therapy, some doctors prefer to use
> intravenous mercury chelation therapy which is described
> later in the protocol.
>
> Blood and urine testing
>
> Before initiating this 33-day mercury detoxification
> protocol, doctors suggest that a CBC-Chemistry blood test be
> performed that includes kidney-liver-thyroid function,
> lipids and magnesium. Of greatest concern
is
> potential kidney toxicity that can occur when the body
> releases its
mercury
> stores for excretion through the kidneys. Those with
> underlying kidney disease may not be able to undergo
> aggressive mercury detoxification therapy.
>
> The only proven method of diagnosing mercury overload in the
> body is a 24 hour urine collection. This involves a
> laboratory sending you a urine collection bag for you to
> urinate in over a 24 hour period. If urine
mercury
> levels are elevated, the 33-day protocol is advised. At the
> end of the 33-days, another 24-hour urine collection is
> recommended to verify that sufficient mercury detoxification
> has really occurred.
>
> Intravenous mercury chelation therapy
>
> Some doctors aggressively treat mercury overload with
> intravenous therapy designed to specifically chelate mercury
> from the body. The chelating
agent
> used to remove mercury from the body is called DMPS
> (dimercapto-propanyl-sulfate). In addition to DMPS, doctors
> often add ten grams of vitamin C and other nutrients to
> further help detoxify the body
and
> protect cells during this mercury removal process.
>
> It is important to note that while standard chelation
> therapy using EDTA (ethylene diamine tetra acidic acid)
> removes calcium and lead, it does not adequately bind to and
> remove mercury.
>
> Intravenous therapy using DMPS may involve six monthly
> visits to the
doctor'
> s office until a urine test shows that mercury levels have
> dropped to the safest possible level.

In sci.med.nutrition me@mine.com wrote:

> Can you give more info on what this 'DE' is and how it is
> best taken for post-amalgam filling removal please.

I take it in water before retiring at night.

from: http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org/immunecf.htm

"Diatomaceous earth (DE) has been reported in the scientific
literature to absorb methyl mercury, E. coli, endotoxins,
viruses (including poliovirus), organophosphate pesticide
residues, drug residues, and protein, perhaps even the
proteinaceous toxins produced by some intestinal infections.
Pyrethroid insecticide residues probably also bind to
diatomaceous earth, since pyrethrins from Chrysanthemum
flowers bind to and are stabilized by this material. The only
brand of pure DE currently recommended is from PermaGuard ,
based in Albuquerque (1-505-873-3061). If there are other DE
products out there that have already been approved by the FDA
(as a 2% by dry weight food additive, as an anti-caking agent,
or as a grain storage additive), let us know and we will
subject it to rigorous chemical and morphological testing to
ensure that it is safe. Dust from diatomaceous earth products,
especially those that contain high amounts of crystalline
material, should NOT be inhaled. PermaGuard Fossil Shell Flour
is amorphous (non-crystalline) and is Generally Regarded As
Safe (GRAS), but as an extra safety precaution the dust should
not be inhaled. Since it appears to pass inertly through the
digestive tract, releasing only a few trace minerals, decide
for yourself what dose works well, bearing in mind that taking
large amounts may have some very uncomfortable effects. "DEtox
"-ing one's system too quickly might not allow enough time for
one's metabolism to re-balance, creating discomfort known as a
"healing crisis". This discomfort may be nothing more than
inflammation caused by a reawakening immune system as it
detoxifies and begins to attack previously unadressed chronic
infections. Working up the amount slowly from about a teaspoon
to a rounded tablespoon over a few days or weeks may help to
avoid this situation. A heaping tablespoonful, as much as we
recommend, in water before bed or first thing in the morning,
if one doesn't normally eat an early breakfast, will allow the
DE time to move through and absorb toxins from one's digestive
tract without interference and without absorbing nutrients
from foods or liquids."

--
_o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
_____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:35:18 -0400, "Gym Bob"
<noney@spam.com> wrote:

<snip>
>First your brain has no feeling

What's a headache then?

Dave, http://www.deep-trance.com Latest Newsletter: The
Doubt Destroyer

Usually tension/inflamation in the tendons at the back of the
neck. Always external to the skull muscles.

Memories of the night before?...LOL

Brain has no nerve endings. That is why they can have people
awake for brain surgeries. They feel no pain inside. "David
Gould" <dave@deep-trance.com> wrote in message
news:gtmugug11n032d5a1i7uil7u9gd0jls37h@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:35:18 -0400, "Gym Bob"
> <noney@spam.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >First your brain has no feeling
>
> What's a headache then?
>
> Dave, http://www.deep-trance.com Latest Newsletter: The
> Doubt Destroyer

"Kristofer D. Dale" <barefoot@plato.nmia.com> wrote in message
news:wbIP8.157373$Fp1.123578@atlpnn01.usenetserver.com...

I have had recent experiences on my new health group
with Spammers.

It is truly amazing, how, deceptive and how low Spammers will
go in order to rip somebody off.

It is totally obvious to me that Kristofer D. Dale is Spamming
DE, for vitaletherapeutics.

> In sci.med.nutrition me@mine.com wrote:
>
> > Can you give more info on what this 'DE' is and how it is
> > best taken for post-amalgam filling removal please.
>
> I take it in water before retiring at night.
>

> The only brand of pure DE currently recommended is from
> PermaGuard , based in Albuquerque (1-505-873-3061). If there
> are other DE products out there that have already been
> approved by the FDA (as a 2% by dry weight food additive, as
> an anti-caking agent, or as a grain storage additive),

The first tip off is the claim that *only* their product is
acceptable.

Actually, if the stuff is any good at all (Which it obviously
is not!), any food grade DE would do.

> let us know and we will subject it to rigorous chemical and
> morphological testing to ensure that it is safe.

"Let us know?"

Gee could it be that you work for vitaletherapeutics?

You are nothing but a Low-Life Spammer.

Ragged individualist my Ass!

> --
> _o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
> _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...
>
> p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

What???

Does this mean the American MEDICAL Association is also in
denial along with the American Dental Association? This says
nothing at all about the Associated Garlic Growers of America
who has benefited so greatly.

Mercy, I feel so sorry for all of the the dentists at
sci.med.dentistry who are still in denial. However, Alan
Greenspan himself has credited them with turning around the
economy by creating such a demand for cilantro and other
alt stuff.

After I had my own mercury fillings removed, I awoke from a
strange dream. In it I saw a bright light at the end of the
tunnel and my poor dead grandmother saying, "Jan, go back ...
Jan ... Go back .... It is not your time .... Get your mercury
chelated ..... Eat cilantro ..... "

Remember, if your health is bad .... check the teeth
!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fake Jan

"Gym Bob" <noney@spam.com> wrote in message
news:<wmHP8.2$XF5.369774@radon.golden.net>...
> And if all that stuff doesn't kill ya you don't have to
> worry about the mercury amalgams....LOL
>
> "Craig Health" <CRAIG@noscape.net> wrote in message
> news:sAAP8.2909$Nd1.128771117@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> > <me@mine.com> wrote in message
> > news:bcLO8.1450$0t3.35921077@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > Hi, can anyone recommend a good mercury detox course
> > > that comes in a
> simple
> > > one-a-day capsule or drink form?
> > >
> > > I had six large mercury amalgam fillings in my mouth for
> > > 15 years, but
> have
> > > had them all professionally removed (a year ago) using a
> > > rubber dam. I
> did
> > > take supplements at the time (such as charcoal) but I
> > > still have some symptoms and I feel as though it is
> > > still in my system and maybe brain.
> > >
> > > I want to chelate the metal out of my organs ASAP.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > HS
> > To treat patients for mercury overload, doctors prescribe
> > a variety of nutrients and drugs to chelate mercury out of
> > the body and protect cells from the effects of the large
> > amounts of free mercury being released into the
> > bloodstream for urinary excretion. It is especially
> > important to initiate this protocol at least two weeks
> > before mercury dental fillings (amalgams) are to be
> > removed.
> >
> > What follows is a 33-day mercury detoxification protocol
> > used by many alternative medicine doctors.
> >
> > For weeks one and two, the following nutrients should be
> > taken: NUTRIENT DOSE N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC) 600 mg twice
> > a day Alpha Lipoic Acid 250 mg two times a day
> > Glutathione 250 mg twice a day Glycine 500 mg twice a day
> > Vitamin C 5,000 to 10,000 mg a day Vitamin E 400 to 800
> > IU a day MSM (methylsulphonyl methane) 1000 mg twice a
> > day Garlic (high-allicin form such as Pure Gar) Avoid if
> > offensive odor
> becomes
> > a social problem. 900 mg a day Cilantro (Chinese parsley)
> > Stop using Cilantro after two weeks or on the day that
> > mercury chelation therapy begins during the third week. 1
> > drop, rubbed on to the wrist two times a day Chlorella
> > Chlorella may cause diarrhea, so starting off at the lower
> > dose is important. 1500 to 3000 mg a day for the first 14
> > days. On days13-33 increase to 7000 to 8000 mg a day.
> > Selenium Avoid selenium for the 19 days of Chemet therapy
> > that begins in the third week. 200 mcg Multi-vitamin
> >
> > Starting at week three, continue taking all of the above
> > nutrients except selenium and cilantro and initiate
> > treatment with the drug Chemet using
> the
> > following dose: First five days Days six through nineteen
> > Chemet (DMSA) (Captomer by Thorne Research)
> > (meso-2,3-dimercaptosuccinic acid) 100 mg every eight
> > hours 100 mg every twelve hours
> >
> > Chemet (DMSA) is a sulfhydryl-containing, water-soluble,
> > non-toxic, orally-administered metal chelator which has
> > been in use as an antidote to heavy metal toxicity since
> > the 1950s. More recent clinical use and
> research
> > substantiates this compound's efficacy and safety, and
> > establishes it as
> the
> > premier metal chelation compound, based on oral dosing,
> > urinary excretion, and its safety characteristics
> > compared to other chelating substances. Chemet is a
> > prescription drug.
> >
> > In lieu of oral Chemet therapy, some doctors prefer to use
> > intravenous mercury chelation therapy which is described
> > later in the protocol.
> >
> > Blood and urine testing
> >
> > Before initiating this 33-day mercury detoxification
> > protocol, doctors suggest that a CBC-Chemistry blood test
> > be performed that includes kidney-liver-thyroid function,
> > lipids and magnesium. Of greatest concern
> is
> > potential kidney toxicity that can occur when the body
> > releases its
> mercury
> > stores for excretion through the kidneys. Those with
> > underlying kidney disease may not be able to undergo
> > aggressive mercury detoxification therapy.
> >
> > The only proven method of diagnosing mercury overload in
> > the body is a 24 hour urine collection. This involves a
> > laboratory sending you a urine collection bag for you to
> > urinate in over a 24 hour period. If urine
> mercury
> > levels are elevated, the 33-day protocol is advised. At
> > the end of the 33-days, another 24-hour urine collection
> > is recommended to verify that sufficient mercury
> > detoxification has really occurred.
> >
> > Intravenous mercury chelation therapy
> >
> > Some doctors aggressively treat mercury overload with
> > intravenous therapy designed to specifically chelate
> > mercury from the body. The chelating
> agent
> > used to remove mercury from the body is called DMPS
> > (dimercapto-propanyl-sulfate). In addition to DMPS,
> > doctors often add ten grams of vitamin C and other
> > nutrients to further help detoxify the body
> and
> > protect cells during this mercury removal process.
> >
> > It is important to note that while standard chelation
> > therapy using EDTA (ethylene diamine tetra acidic acid)
> > removes calcium and lead, it does not adequately bind to
> > and remove mercury.
> >
> > Intravenous therapy using DMPS may involve six monthly
> > visits to the
> doctor'
> > s office until a urine test shows that mercury levels have
> > dropped to the safest possible level.
> >
> >

Once upon a time, our fellow Jan rambled on about "Re: Anyone
recommend a mercury 'detox in a box' product?." Our champion
De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

>After I had my own mercury fillings removed, I awoke from a
>strange dream. In it I saw a bright light at the end of the
>tunnel and my poor dead grandmother saying, "Jan, go back ...
>Jan ... Go back .... It is not your time .... Get your
>mercury chelated ..... Eat cilantro .....

Do you talk to Elvis, too?

In sci.med.nutrition Sir John <Sir John@getstev.com> wrote:

> It is totally obvious to me that Kristofer D. Dale is
> Spamming DE, for vitaletherapeutics.

Heh, another mongrel conclusion-jumper...

> Gee could it be that you work for vitaletherapeutics?

Well, only in a tertiary capacity. I'm not employed by the
organization, but I have volunteered some time and expertise
in the past...

> You are nothing but a Low-Life Spammer.

In your myopic brain. Shove your head up your ass a few
more inches, nimrod, you mght see the light at the end of
the tunnel...

> Ragged individualist my Ass!

It is difficult to distinguish you from your ass, actually. I
suggest that in future, if you insist on shooting yourself in
the foot, remove it from your mouth first... ;^]

--
_o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
_____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

Now we're getting somewhere, thanks Craig.

The question is, are all those confusingly complicated
products available in one 'detox box' commercially, so I can
take one or two capsules per day containing everything ready
measured out?

HS

"Craig Health" <CRAIG@noscape.net> wrote in message
news:sAAP8.2909$Nd1.128771117@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
>
> <me@mine.com> wrote in message
> news:bcLO8.1450$0t3.35921077@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > Hi, can anyone recommend a good mercury detox course that
> > comes in a
> simple
> > one-a-day capsule or drink form?
> >
> > I had six large mercury amalgam fillings in my mouth for
> > 15 years, but
> have
> > had them all professionally removed (a year ago) using a
> > rubber dam. I
> did
> > take supplements at the time (such as charcoal) but I
> > still have some symptoms and I feel as though it is still
> > in my system and maybe brain.
> >
> > I want to chelate the metal out of my organs ASAP.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > HS
> To treat patients for mercury overload, doctors prescribe a
> variety of nutrients and drugs to chelate mercury out of the
> body and protect cells from the effects of the large amounts
> of free mercury being released into the bloodstream for
> urinary excretion. It is especially important to initiate
> this protocol at least two weeks before mercury dental
> fillings (amalgams) are to be removed.
>
> What follows is a 33-day mercury detoxification protocol
> used by many alternative medicine doctors.
>
> For weeks one and two, the following nutrients should be
> taken: NUTRIENT DOSE N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC) 600 mg twice a
> day Alpha Lipoic Acid 250 mg two times a day Glutathione 250
> mg twice a day Glycine 500 mg twice a day Vitamin C 5,000 to
> 10,000 mg a day Vitamin E 400 to 800 IU a day MSM
> (methylsulphonyl methane) 1000 mg twice a day Garlic
> (high-allicin form such as Pure Gar) Avoid if offensive odor
becomes
> a social problem. 900 mg a day Cilantro (Chinese parsley)
> Stop using Cilantro after two weeks or on the day that
> mercury chelation therapy begins during the third week. 1
> drop, rubbed on to the wrist two times a day Chlorella
> Chlorella may cause diarrhea, so starting off at the lower
> dose is important. 1500 to 3000 mg a day for the first 14
> days. On days13-33 increase to 7000 to 8000 mg a day.
> Selenium Avoid selenium for the 19 days of Chemet therapy
> that begins in the third week. 200 mcg Multi-vitamin
>
> Starting at week three, continue taking all of the above
> nutrients except selenium and cilantro and initiate
> treatment with the drug Chemet using
the
> following dose: First five days Days six through nineteen
> Chemet (DMSA) (Captomer by Thorne Research)
> (meso-2,3-dimercaptosuccinic acid) 100 mg every eight hours
> 100 mg every twelve hours
>
> Chemet (DMSA) is a sulfhydryl-containing, water-soluble,
> non-toxic, orally-administered metal chelator which has been
> in use as an antidote to heavy metal toxicity since the
> 1950s. More recent clinical use and
research
> substantiates this compound's efficacy and safety, and
> establishes it as
the
> premier metal chelation compound, based on oral dosing,
> urinary excretion, and its safety characteristics
> compared to other chelating substances. Chemet is a
> prescription drug.
>
> In lieu of oral Chemet therapy, some doctors prefer to use
> intravenous mercury chelation therapy which is described
> later in the protocol.
>
> Blood and urine testing
>
> Before initiating this 33-day mercury detoxification
> protocol, doctors suggest that a CBC-Chemistry blood test be
> performed that includes kidney-liver-thyroid function,
> lipids and magnesium. Of greatest concern
is
> potential kidney toxicity that can occur when the body
> releases its
mercury
> stores for excretion through the kidneys. Those with
> underlying kidney disease may not be able to undergo
> aggressive mercury detoxification therapy.
>
> The only proven method of diagnosing mercury overload in the
> body is a 24 hour urine collection. This involves a
> laboratory sending you a urine collection bag for you to
> urinate in over a 24 hour period. If urine
mercury
> levels are elevated, the 33-day protocol is advised. At the
> end of the 33-days, another 24-hour urine collection is
> recommended to verify that sufficient mercury detoxification
> has really occurred.
>
> Intravenous mercury chelation therapy
>
> Some doctors aggressively treat mercury overload with
> intravenous therapy designed to specifically chelate mercury
> from the body. The chelating
agent
> used to remove mercury from the body is called DMPS
> (dimercapto-propanyl-sulfate). In addition to DMPS, doctors
> often add ten grams of vitamin C and other nutrients to
> further help detoxify the body
and
> protect cells during this mercury removal process.
>
> It is important to note that while standard chelation
> therapy using EDTA (ethylene diamine tetra acidic acid)
> removes calcium and lead, it does not adequately bind to and
> remove mercury.
>
> Intravenous therapy using DMPS may involve six monthly
> visits to the
doctor'
> s office until a urine test shows that mercury levels have
> dropped to the safest possible level.

Once upon a time, our fellowc rambled on about "Re: Anyone
recommend a mercury 'detox in a box' product?." Our champion
De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

>Now we're getting somewhere, thanks Craig.
>
>The question is, are all those confusingly complicated
>products available in one 'detox box' commercially, so I can
>take one or two capsules per day containing everything ready
>measured out?

Now, I can see why you are using <me@mine.com> for a name. :-(

My how pigs squeal when they get stuck!

You are as innocent as Tom Mattehews is.

The ONLY reason you are here is to peddle vitaletherapeutics!

Selling DE at grossly inflated prices, of course.

Personally, I would never eat anything like ground up glass,
but each to his own.

Anything to make a dishonest buck, eh?

"Kristofer D. Dale" <barefoot@plato.nmia.com> wrote in message
news:i2fQ8.207944$Fp1.73070@atlpnn01.usenetserver.com...
> In sci.med.nutrition Sir John <Sir John@getstev.com> wrote:
>
> > It is totally obvious to me that Kristofer D. Dale is
> > Spamming DE, for vitaletherapeutics.
>
> Heh, another mongrel conclusion-jumper...
>
> > Gee could it be that you work for vitaletherapeutics?
>
> Well, only in a tertiary capacity. I'm not employed by the
> organization, but I have volunteered some time and expertise
> in the past...
>
> > You are nothing but a Low-Life Spammer.
>
> In your myopic brain. Shove your head up your ass a few more
> inches, nimrod, you mght see the light at the end of the
> tunnel...
>
> > Ragged individualist my Ass!
>
> It is difficult to distinguish you from your ass, actually.
> I suggest that in future, if you insist on shooting yourself
> in the foot, remove it from your mouth first... ;^]
>
> --
> _o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
> _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...
>
> p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

Sir John wrote:

> The ONLY reason you are here is to peddle
> vitaletherapeutics!

Should he be peddling a health group like you instead?

> Personally, I would never eat anything like ground up glass,
> but each to his own.

You clearly don't understand the principles involved, but if
you don't know about it it's not worth knowing, I assume. Some
animals deliberately eat dirt when they are ill as a way of
removing toxins from their gut.

MattLB

Once upon a time, our fellow MattLB rambled on about "Re:
Kristofer D. Dale the Spammer! (Re: Anyone recommend a mercury
'detox in a box' product?)." Our champion De-Medicalizing in
sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

>Some animals deliberately eat dirt when they are ill as a way
>of removing toxins from their gut.

Believe in Fairy Tales do you?

Personally, I believe in eating Real Food that contains
lots of Fiber.
--
John Gohde, Achieving good Health is an Art, NOT a Science!

Health-with-Attitude is a support group for people trying to
follow a Healthy Lifestyle.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Health-with-Attitude/

One of John's new personalities wrote:

> >Some animals deliberately eat dirt when they are ill as a
> >way of removing toxins from their gut.
>
> Believe in Fairy Tales do you?

A dismal troll, but just to enlighten you, what I've quoted
below isn't a fairy tale, however since it talks about science
and scientists you might have nightmares about it."CLAY FEATS
Nearly all vertebrates that feed on fruits, seeds and leaves
also eat clay. Elephants clear and mine huge areas of forest
to feed on the clay subsoils below. In Africa chimpanzees,
rhinoceroses, giraffes, and buffalo feed on the clay-rich soil
of termite mounds. In Peru up to 900 parrots from 21 species
and 100 large macaws gather each day to feed on the riverbanks
of Madre de Dios, biting off and swallowing thumb-sized chunks
of orange clay.(9)

Clays can bind mycotoxins (fungal toxins), endotoxins
(internal toxins secreted by pathogens), man-made toxic
chemicals, bacteria and viruses. They also protect the
lining of the gut, act as an antacid and absorb excess
fluids – thereby curbing diarrhoea. They are, in other
words, naturally occurring multi-purpose medicines.

In 1999 the hypothesis that animals eat clay in order to
deactivate poisons was tested experimentally by James
Gilardi and a team of scientists at University California
Davis. First, they established that seeds eaten by macaws
contain toxic plant alkaloids. Then they fed one group of
macaws a mixture of a harmless plant alkaloid (quinidine)
plus clay. A second group of macaws was fed just the
quinidine without any clay. Several hours later the macaws
that had eaten the quinidine with clay had 60 per cent less
alkaloid in their blood than the control group. Clay was
indeed shown to prevent the movement of plant alkaloids
into the blood.

What surprised the scientists was that the clay remained in
the gut of the macaws for over 12 hours, meaning that a
single bout of clay-eating or geophagy could protect the
birds for quite some time. The scientists suspect that as
well as preventing plant toxins entering the blood, clay
also lines the gut and protects it from the caustic
chemical erosion caused by seed toxins. As macaws have no
diarrhoeic response to toxins, the consumption of clay may
be an essential part of their diet – allowing them to
successfully utilise foods that other animals are unable to
tolerate.(10)"

From http://www.theecologist.org/archive_article.html?article-
=296&category=68

and

"Many animals also eat clay, which is not only an effective
way of binding and excreting various toxins but, by lining
the gut, it can treat gastrointestinal problems. Native
people often mix clay with tannin-rich foods such as acorns
before cooking them (tannins are bitter chemicals produced by
plants as a defence but they are also active against bacteria
and fungi).

A type of clay regularly mined by mountain gorillas in Rwanda
is very similar to the kaolin sold in chemists for relief of
upset stomachs. Another good source of clay are termite
mounds, and chimpanzees are often seen breaking off chunks of
soil from them. In one close study of five chimps seen eating
termite soil, all were found to be suffering from
gastrointestinal problems."

from http://veederandld.20m.com/greports/11702d.html

Hope you can make sense of that.

MattLB

In sci.med.nutrition me@mine.com wrote:

> The question is, are all those confusingly complicated
> products available in one 'detox box' commercially, so I can
> take one or two capsules per day containing everything ready
> measured out?

Well, using DE consists of stirring a spoonful into some water
and drinking it before retiring at night. A 7 year supply will
cost perhaps $30 - $50 per individual. Can you get any cheaper
and simpler than that?

;^]

--
_o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
_____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

In sci.med.nutrition Sir John <Sir John@getstev.com> wrote:

> The ONLY reason you are here is to peddle
> vitaletherapeutics!

Peddle a non-profit organization? Heh...

> Selling DE at grossly inflated prices, of course.

I am not selling a thing, neither is VitaleTherapeutics...

> Personally, I would never eat anything like ground up glass,
> but each to his own.

Your ignorance is astounding. Do you understand what amorphous
means? Do you understand the significance of the .org in the
website address? Get a clue, get a life, do whatever it takes,
at the very least stop making such a braying ass of yourself
in public...
--
_o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
_____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

Talking to a Fool is a total waste of my time. :-)

"MattLB" <mattlb@FAKEBITangelfire.com> wrote in message
news:3D11E695.17637D3C@FAKEBITangelfire.com...
> Sir John wrote:
>
> > The ONLY reason you are here is to peddle
> > vitaletherapeutics!
>
> Should he be peddling a health group like you instead?
>
> > Personally, I would never eat anything like ground up
> > glass, but each to
his
> > own.
>
> You clearly don't understand the principles involved, but if
> you don't
know
> about it it's not worth knowing, I assume. Some animals
> deliberately eat
dirt
> when they are ill as a way of removing toxins from
> their gut.
>
> MattLB

In sci.med.nutrition Jeff Davidsion
<jdavidson@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Personally, I believe in eating Real Food that contains lots
> of Fiber.

Once again, allow me to point out that detoxifying is not done
in lieu of proper diet, it is a means to ensure that one can
benefit from nutritional intake by restoring and/or
maintaining the biochemical pathways that keep us healthy and
functioning. It is not my role here to explain the inner
workings, I'm simply the messenger...

--
_o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
_____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

gohde:
>Talking to a Fool is a total waste of my time

Which of your alter-egos whispered this into your ear? And
when can the usegroup expect these alter-egos to vanish now
that you have realized that there is no benefit in talking or
writing to yourself or in support of yourself. No matter which
screen name you pick, the source remains a semi-literate
poseur pimping for commercial websites.

--
Stev Still dancing in the Phil Zone & scattering Garcia ashes
Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) - In healthcare the ultimate bottom line
is patients not profit Save a cow, eat a PETA member
slenon@tampabay.rr.com http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/ind-
ex.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

Sir John wrote:

> Talking to a Fool is a total waste of my time. :-)

But replying twice to the same posting isn't?

MattLB

Unfortunately, John uses newsgroups as an alternative therapy
for his obvious psychosis. His uncontrolled paranoia and the
fact that he can't comprehend what others say or mean is a
proof that there is yet no alternative to antipsychotic
medications. Thus, don't bother with what he says or the way
he says it.

ada

Once upon a time, our fellow slenon rambled on about "Re:
Kristofer D. Dale the Spammer! (Re: Anyone recommend a mercury
'detox in a box' product?)." Our champion De-Medicalizing in
sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

>you are a semi-literate fraud.

Yep! That is what the Subject Line says, ... Buffoon.
--
John Gohde Email: Ngs@NaturalHealthPerspective.com (((((((((((
Left-Brain Mode ON )))))))))))) Richmond, Virginia, USA,
Planet Earth, The Sun, Milky Way galaxy

After reading the Anti-Male psychotic crap that ADA
recently posted, I can see where this mentally ill Bitch is
coming from.

She ain't no Scientist. She is just a very ordinary Quack!

"ada" <ben_nur@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:37621b2e.0206212130.76d86af1@posting.google.com...
> Unfortunately, John uses newsgroups as an alternative
> therapy for his obvious psychosis. His uncontrolled paranoia
> and the fact that he can't comprehend what others say or
> mean is a proof that there is yet no alternative to
> antipsychotic medications. Thus, don't bother with what he
> says or the way he says it.
>
> ada

And you are a semi-literate fraud.

--
Stev Still dancing in the Phil Zone & scattering Garcia ashes
Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) - In healthcare the ultimate bottom line
is patients not profit Save a cow, eat a PETA member
slenon@tampabay.rr.com http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/ind-
ex.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

> Buffoon. John Gohde

Learned a new word? Good. Now tell us all about those mythical
degrees you hold from major institutions of learning.
--
Stev Still dancing in the Phil Zone & scattering Garcia ashes
Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) - In healthcare the ultimate bottom line
is patients not profit Save a cow, eat a PETA member
slenon@tampabay.rr.com http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/ind-
ex.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

In sci.med.nutrition ada <ben_nur@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Unfortunately, John uses newsgroups as an alternative
> therapy for his

Don't discount the possibility of professional public
relations plants hired to disparage people and therapies in
the alternative field by unscrupulous corporate interests
faced with the loss of billions in healthcare market share. I
can't take the time to prove this is the case in this
instance, but I have to wonder when such blind stupidity and
blatant arrogance surfaces. I can understand a reluctance to
ingest DE without further information, but when someone
deliberately lies about who I am and what I have said, and
continues doing so when their error has been pointed out, my
suspicions are raised as to the legitimacy of their conduct.
OTOH, controversy, contrived or otherwise, draws attention, so
my purpose for being here is served nonetheless... ;^]

--
_o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
_____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

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> information, but when someone deliberately lies about who I
> am and what I have said, and continues doing so when their
> error has been pointed out, my suspicions are raised as to
> the legitimacy of their conduct. OTOH, controversy,
> contrived or otherwise, draws attention, so my purpose for
> being here is served nonetheless... ;^]

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In sci.med.nutrition Gym Bob <noney@spam.com> wrote:

> You think he is "illegimate"?

I don't know what that means, is it a term for a spouse who
can't write clearly?

> You realize what that means then?

Yes, either you rush when you type, or ypu are
illiterate... ;^]

--
_o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
_____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

LOL...one up for you!

"Kristofer D. Dale" <barefoot@plato.nmia.com> wrote in message
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> In sci.med.nutrition Gym Bob <noney@spam.com> wrote:
>
> > You think he is "illegimate"?
>
> I don't know what that means, is it a term for a spouse who
> can't write clearly?
>
> > You realize what that means then?
>
> Yes, either you rush when you type, or ypu are
> illiterate... ;^]
>
> --
> _o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
> _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...
>
> p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

In sci.med.nutrition Gym Bob <noney@spam.com> wrote:
> LOL...one up for you!

> "Kristofer D. Dale" <barefoot@plato.nmia.com> wrote in
> message
>> Yes, either you rush when you type, or *ypu* are
>> illiterate... ;^]

Hmm, looks like I rush too...

--
_o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
_____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

<me@mine.com> wrote in message
news:bcLO8.1450$0t3.35921077@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Hi, can anyone recommend a good mercury detox course that
> comes in a
simple
> one-a-day capsule or drink form?
>
> I had six large mercury amalgam fillings in my mouth for 15
> years, but
have
> had them all professionally removed (a year ago) using a
> rubber dam. I
did
> take supplements at the time (such as charcoal) but I still
> have some symptoms and I feel as though it is still in my
> system and maybe brain.
>
> I want to chelate the metal out of my organs ASAP.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> HS
>

Mercury places great stress on the antioxidant systems
throughout the body. With the time that has passed since the
removal of your amalgam fillings, the bulk of the mercury
should have been excreted already. Perhaps the residual
symptoms are due to oxidative stress? If so, ample
supplementation of omega-3 fatty acids, phospholipids, and
antioxidants (e.g alpha-lipoic acid, selenium, vitamin E)
might be beneficial.

If you decide to go the DMSA chelation route, be warned that
much more than mercury will be purged from your system;
substantial amounts of other cations will also be lost.

I've appended a number of abstracts for your consideration.

Regards, Larry

Altern Med Rev 1998 Aug;3(4):262-70

Cysteine metabolism and metal toxicity.

Quig D.

Doctor's Data, Inc., West Chicago, IL, USA.
dquig@doctorsdata.com

Chronic, low level exposure to toxic metals is an increasing
global problem. The symptoms associated with the slow
accumulation of toxic metals are multiple and rather
nondescript, and overt expression of toxic effects may not
appear until later in life. The sulfhydryl-reactive metals
(mercury, cadmium, lead, arsenic) are particularly insidious
and can affect a vast array of biochemical and nutritional
processes. The primary mechanisms by which the
sulfhydryl-reactive metals elicit their toxic effects are
summarized. The pro-oxidative effects of the metals are
compounded by the fact that the metals also inhibit
antioxidative enzymes and deplete intracellular glutathione.
The metals also have the potential to disrupt the metabolism
and biological activities of many proteins due to their high
affinity for free sulfhydryl groups. Cysteine has a pivotal
role in inducible, endogenous detoxication mechanisms in the
body, and metal exposure taxes cysteine status. The protective
effects of glutathione and the metallothioneins are discussed
in detail. Basic research pertaining to the transport of toxic
metals into the brain is summarized, and a case is made for
the use of hydrolyzed whey protein to support metal
detoxification and neurological function. Metal exposure also
affects essential element status, which can further decrease
antioxidation and detoxification processes. Early detection
and treatment of metal burden is important for successful
detoxification, and optimization of nutritional status is
paramount to the prevention and treatment of metal toxicity.

Altern Med Rev 1998 Jun;3(3):199-207

Dimercaptosuccinic acid (DMSA), a non-toxic, water-soluble
treatment for heavy metal toxicity.

Miller AL.

Alternative Medicine Review. P.O. Box 25, Dover, ID 83825,
USA. alan@thorne.com

Heavy metals are, unfortunately, present in the air, water,
and food supply. Cases of severe acute lead, mercury, arsenic,
and cadmium poisoning are rare; however, when they do occur an
effective, non-toxic treatment is essential. In addition,
chronic, low-level exposure to lead in the soil and in
residues of lead-based paint, to mercury in the atmosphere, in
dental amalgams and in seafood, and to cadmium and arsenic in
the environment and in cigarette smoke is much more common
than acute exposure. Meso-2,3-dimercaptosuccinic acid (DMSA)
is a sulfhydryl-containing, water-soluble, non-toxic,
orally-administered metal chelator which has been in use as an
antidote to heavy metal toxicity since the 1950s. More recent
clinical use and research substantiates this compound s
efficacy and safety, and establishes it as the premier metal
chelation compound, based on oral dosing, urinary excretion,
and its safety characteristics compared to other chelating
substances.

J Toxicol Clin Toxicol 2000;38(7):697-700

Urinary excretion of trace elements in humans after sodium
2,3-dimercaptopropane-1-sulfonate challenge test.

Torres-Alanis O, Garza-Ocanas L, Bernal MA, Pineyro-Lopez A.

Centro Antivenenos, Departamento de Farmacologia y
Toxicologia, Facultad de Medicina, Universidad Autonoma de
Nuevo Leon, Monterrey Nuevo Leon, Mexico.
otorres@ccr.dsi.uanl.mx

OBJECTIVE: To evaluate the effects of intravenous sodium
2,3-dimercaptopropane-1-sulfonate (DMPS, Dimaval) on urinary
excretion of essential trace elements in subjects who received
this chelating agent as a mercury challenge test. SUBJECTS:
Eleven subjects sought medical attention due to concern with
the toxicity of mercury released from dental amalgam fillings.
DESIGN: The subjects were given DMPS 3 mg/kg intravenously.
Spot urine samples were collected 1 hour before and 1 hour
after the DMPS dose for laboratory analysis. In addition to
mercury, the urinary excretion of copper, zinc, selenium,
magnesium, manganese, molybdenum, chromium, cobalt, and
aluminum were measured. RESULTS: A significant increase in
urinary excretion of mercury (3- to 107-fold) was observed
after the DMPS dose. The DMPS treatment led to a 2- to
119-fold increase in copper excretion; 3- to
43.8-fold in selenium excretion; 1.6- to 44-fold in zinc
excretion; and
44.75- to 42.7-fold in magnesium excretion. The excretion of
manganese, chromium, cobalt, aluminium, and molybdenum
remained unchanged. CONCLUSIONS: In this study, an
intravenous DMPS challenge test produced a significant
increase in mercury excretion and also led to an increased
excretion of copper, selenium, zinc, and magnesium.

Int Arch Occup Environ Health 1994;66(3):209-12

Long-term mercury excretion in urine after removal of
amalgam fillings.

Begerow J, Zander D, Freier I, Dunemann L.

Medizinisches Institut fur Umwelthygiene, Dusseldorf, Germany.

The long-term urinary mercury excretion was determined in 17
28- to 55-year-old persons before and at varying times (up to
14 months) after removal of all (4-24) dental amalgam
fillings. Before removal the urinary mercury excretion
correlated with the number of amalgam fillings. In the
immediate post-removal phase (up to 6 days after removal) a
mean increase of 30% was observed. Within 12 months the
geometric mean of the mercury excretion was reduced by a
factor of 5 from 1.44 micrograms/g (range: .57-4.38
micrograms/g) to 0.36 microgram/g (range: 0.13-0.88
microgram/g). After cessation of exposure to dental amalgam
the mean half-life was 95 days. These results show that the
release of mercury from dental amalgam contributes
predominantly to the mercury exposure of non-occupationally
exposed persons. The exposure from amalgam fillings thus
exceeds the exposure from food, air and beverages. Within 12
months after removal of all amalgam fillings the participants
showed substantially lower urinary mercury levels which were
comparable to those found in subjects who have never had
dental amalgam fillings. A relationship between the urinary
mercury excretion and adverse effects was not found.
Differences in the frequency of effects between the pre- and
the post-removal phase were not observed.

Occup Environ Med 1995 Feb;52(2):124-8

People with high mercury uptake from their own dental
amalgam fillings.

Barregard L, Sallsten G, Jarvholm B.

Department of Occupational Medicine, Sahlgrenska University
Hospital, Goteborg, Sweden.

OBJECTIVES--To describe people with high mercury (Hg) uptake
from their amalgam fillings, and to estimate the possible
fraction of the occupationally unexposed Swedish population
with high excretion of urinary Hg. METHODS--Three case reports
are presented. The distribution of excretion of urinary Hg in
the general population was examined in pooled data from
several sources. RESULTS--The three cases excreted 23-60
micrograms of Hg/day (25-54 micrograms/g creatinine),
indicating daily uptake of Hg as high as 100 micrograms. Blood
Hg was 12-23 micrograms/l, which is five to 10 times the
average in the general population. No other sources of
exposure were found, and removal of the amalgam fillings
resulted in normal Hg concentrations. Chewing gum and bruxism
were the probable reasons for the increased Hg uptake.
Extrapolations from data on urinary Hg in the general
population indicate that the number of people with urinary
excretion of > or
= 50 micrograms/g creatinine could in fact be larger than the
= number of
workers with equivalent exposure from occupational sources.
CONCLUSION--Although the average daily Hg uptake from dental
amalgam fillings is low, there is a considerable variation
between people; certain people have a high mercury uptake from
their amalgam fillings.

J Dent Res 1998 Apr;77(4):615-24

Mercury in biological fluids after amalgam removal.

Sandborgh-Englund G, Elinder CG, Langworth S, Schutz A,
Ekstrand J.

Department of Basic Oral Sciences, Karolinska Institutet,
Huddinge, Sweden.

Dental amalgam is the major source of inorganic mercury (Hg)
exposure in the general population. The objective of the
present study was to obtain data on changes in Hg levels in
blood, plasma, and urine following removal of all amalgam
fillings during one dental session in 12 healthy subjects. The
mean number of amalgam surfaces was 18 (range, 13 to 34).
Frequent blood sampling and 24-hour urine collections were
performed up to 115 days after amalgam removal, and in eight
subjects additional samples of plasma and urine were collected
up to three years after amalgam removal. A transient increase
of Hg concentrations in blood and plasma was observed within
48 hours after amalgam removal. In plasma, the peak
concentrations significantly exceeded the pre-removal plasma
Hg levels by, on average, 32% (1.3 nmol/L; range, 0.1 to 4.2).
No increase in the urinary Hg excretion rate was apparent
after amalgam removal. An exponential decline of Hg was seen
in all media. Sixty days after the amalgam removal, the Hg
levels in blood, plasma, and urine had declined to
approximately 60% of the pre-removal levels. In seven
subjects, who were followed for up to three years, the
half-lives of Hg in plasma and urine were calculated. In
plasma, a bi-exponential model was applied, and the half-life
was estimated at median 88 days (range, 21 to
45). The kinetics of Hg in urine (nmol/24 hrs) fit a
mono-exponential model with a median half-life of 46 days
(range, 35 to 67). It is concluded that the process of
removing amalgam fillings can have a considerable impact on
Hg levels in biological fluids. After removal, there was a
considerable decline in the Hg levels of blood, plasma, and
urine, which slowly approached those of subjects without
any history of amalgam fillings.

Once upon a time, our fellow Larry Hoover rambled on about
"Re: Anyone recommend a mercury 'detox in a box' product?."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts,
thusly ...

>> I want to chelate the metal out of my organs ASAP.

>If you decide to go the DMSA chelation route, be warned that
>much more than mercury will be purged from your system;
>substantial amounts of other cations will also be lost.

>I've appended a number of abstracts for your consideration.

>Regards, Larry

Looks like "Hoover the Mover" is on the record for suggesting
that DMSA chelation is effective for treating Mercury toxicity
from Silver Amalgams.

This makes our so-called scientist a Quack for two reasons.

1)Not attacking the notion that Silver Amalgams cause
Mercury toxicity.
2)For suggesting that Chelation Therapy for Mercury Toxicity
is anything, but Quackery.

Quack, Quack, Quack ... Larry!
--
John Gohde, Patient Empowerment Advocate
http://home.naturalhealthperspective.com/empowerment.html
Email: Ngs@NaturalHealthPerspective.com
www.NaturalHealthPerspective.com - Pioneering
De-Medicalization by handing back the power to the people,
encouraging self care and autonomy, and resisting the
categorization of life's problems as medical.

do some research child

"John 'the Man'" <DeMan[71]@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vv4khugeqdh6joljfg4ss53431d93plc7r@4ax.com...
> Once upon a time, our fellow Larry Hoover rambled on about
> "Re: Anyone recommend a mercury 'detox in a box' product?."
> Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts,
> thusly ...
>
> >> I want to chelate the metal out of my organs ASAP.
>
> >If you decide to go the DMSA chelation route, be warned
> >that much more
than
> >mercury will be purged from your system; substantial
> >amounts of other cations will also be lost.
>
> >I've appended a number of abstracts for your consideration.
>
> >Regards, Larry
>
> Looks like "Hoover the Mover" is on the record for
> suggesting that DMSA chelation is effective for treating
> Mercury toxicity from Silver Amalgams.
>
> This makes our so-called scientist a Quack for two reasons.
>
> 1)Not attacking the notion that Silver Amalgams cause
> Mercury toxicity.
> 2)For suggesting that Chelation Therapy for Mercury Toxicity
> is anything, but Quackery.
>
> Quack, Quack, Quack ... Larry!
> --
> John Gohde, Patient Empowerment Advocate
> http://home.naturalhealthperspective.com/empowerment.html
> Email: Ngs@NaturalHealthPerspective.com
> www.NaturalHealthPerspective.com - Pioneering
> De-Medicalization by handing back the power to the people,
> encouraging self care and autonomy, and resisting the
> categorization of life's problems as medical.

"Gym Bob" <noney@spam.com> wrote in message
news:jdvS8.395$7X7.106574934@radon.golden.net...
> do some research child

Again, John makes unsupported inferences, either due to an
inabilty to read, or to comprehend, the written word.

> "John 'the Man'" <DeMan[71]@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:vv4khugeqdh6joljfg4ss53431d93plc7r@4ax.com...
> > Once upon a time, our fellow Larry Hoover rambled on about
> > "Re: Anyone recommend a mercury 'detox in a box'
> > product?." Our champion De-Medicalizing in
> > sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
> >
> > >> I want to chelate the metal out of my organs ASAP.
> >
> > >If you decide to go the DMSA chelation route, be warned
> > >that much more
> than
> > >mercury will be purged from your system; substantial
> > >amounts of other cations will also be lost.
> >
> > >I've appended a number of abstracts for your
> > >consideration.
> >
> > >Regards, Larry
> >
> > Looks like "Hoover the Mover" is on the record for
> > suggesting that DMSA chelation is effective for treating
> > Mercury toxicity from Silver Amalgams.

I didn't say that. I gave evidence that DMSA chelates a number
of different cations, including mercury, which the original
poster sought to chelate.

> > This makes our so-called scientist a Quack for two
> > reasons.
> >
> > 1)Not attacking the notion that Silver Amalgams cause
> > Mercury toxicity.

I gave evidence that amalgam dental restorations are a source
of mercury exposure, particularly if gum chewing and bruxism
are factors. I made no comment with respect to toxicity
arising therefrom.

> > 2)For suggesting that Chelation Therapy for Mercury
> > Toxicity is anything, but Quackery.

If a person has had toxic exposure to mercury, then chelation
is the medically recommended therapy, so you are wrong.
Whether or not amalgam dental restorations lead to mercury
toxicity is not clear, and I have expressed no opinion one way
or the other. Ididn't suggest that route, the original poster
did. I provided some medical studies which might prove
informative, and assist in decision-making. My only comment on
DMSA chelation was to warn about broader effects than simply
enhanced excretion of mercury. "If you decide to go the DMSA
chelation route, be warned that much more than mercury will be
purged from your system; substantial amounts of other cations
will also be lost."

I clearly recommended nutritional supplements to counter
oxidative stress damage. That is all I recommended, but you
snipped that part. Learn to read, twit.

"Perhaps the residual symptoms are due to oxidative stress? If
so, ample supplementation of omega-3 fatty acids,
phospholipids, and antioxidants
(e.g alpha-lipoic acid, selenium, vitamin E) might be
beneficial."

Once upon a time, our fellow Larry Hoover rambled on about
"Re: Anyone recommend a mercury 'detox in a box' product?."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts,
thusly ...

Just another irresponsible scientist who is more a Quack at
heart than a scientist. :-(

I had a mouthful of Silver Amalgams most of my entire life.
The idea that they cause mercury toxicity is total nonsense!

Chelation Therapy is a Classic example of Alternative Medicine
Quackery. It costs thousands of dollars. It takes hundreds of
treatments. Perhaps for industrial accidents, but for
everybody who goes to the dentist? You just got to be kidding?

To blindly post a series of abstracts to someone who is
obviously hopelessly confused is totally irresponsible!

My Health-with-Attitude mailing list comments on and point out
the significance of all the latest health research.
--
John Gohde, Achieving good Health is an Art, NOT a Science!

Health-with-Attitude is a support group for people trying to
follow a Healthy Lifestyle.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Health-with-Attitude/

>"Gym Bob" <noney@spam.com> wrote in message
>news:jdvS8.395$7X7.106574934@radon.golden.net...
>> do some research child
>
>Again, John makes unsupported inferences, either due to an
>inabilty to read, or to comprehend, the written word.
>
>> "John 'the Man'" <DeMan[71]@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:vv4khugeqdh6joljfg4ss53431d93plc7r@4ax.com...
>> > Once upon a time, our fellow Larry Hoover rambled on
>> > about "Re: Anyone recommend a mercury 'detox in a box'
>> > product?." Our champion De-Medicalizing in
>> > sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>> >
>> > >> I want to chelate the metal out of my organs ASAP.
>> >
>> > >If you decide to go the DMSA chelation route, be warned
>> > >that much more
>> than
>> > >mercury will be purged from your system; substantial
>> > >amounts of other cations will also be lost.
>> >
>> > >I've appended a number of abstracts for your
>> > >consideration.
>> >
>> > >Regards, Larry
>> >
>> > Looks like "Hoover the Mover" is on the record for
>> > suggesting that DMSA chelation is effective for treating
>> > Mercury toxicity from Silver Amalgams.
>
>I didn't say that. I gave evidence that DMSA chelates a
>number of different cations, including mercury, which the
>original poster sought to chelate.
>
>> > This makes our so-called scientist a Quack for two
>> > reasons.
>> >
>> > 1)Not attacking the notion that Silver Amalgams cause
>> > Mercury toxicity.
>
>I gave evidence that amalgam dental restorations are a source
>of mercury exposure, particularly if gum chewing and bruxism
>are factors. I made no comment with respect to toxicity
>arising therefrom.
>
>> > 2)For suggesting that Chelation Therapy for Mercury
>> > Toxicity is anything, but Quackery.
>
>If a person has had toxic exposure to mercury, then chelation
>is the medically recommended therapy, so you are wrong.
>Whether or not amalgam dental restorations lead to mercury
>toxicity is not clear, and I have expressed no opinion one
>way or the other. Ididn't suggest that route, the original
>poster did. I provided some medical studies which might prove
>informative, and assist in decision-making. My only comment
>on DMSA chelation was to warn about broader effects than
>simply enhanced excretion of mercury. "If you decide to go
>the DMSA chelation route, be warned that much more than
>mercury will be purged from your system; substantial amounts
>of other cations will also be lost."
>
>I clearly recommended nutritional supplements to counter
>oxidative stress damage. That is all I recommended, but you
>snipped that part. Learn to read, twit.
>
>"Perhaps the residual symptoms are due to oxidative stress?
>If so, ample supplementation of omega-3 fatty acids,
>phospholipids, and antioxidants
>(e.g alpha-lipoic acid, selenium, vitamin E) might be
> beneficial."

There may some confusion here.

Silver amalgams (as they used to be called) are a silver alloy
(very little silver) that is mixed with mercury as a "setting"
catalyst. The mercury is then usually squeezed out through a
filter of some kind that supposedly extracts all the mercury
from the alloy. There is not supposed to be any mercury left
in the amalgam but it is still there as a residue and leaches
into the bloodstream upon initial installation and upon
disturbing later. (as in Bruxism).

After the mercury in amalgam fillings came to light people
started calling them "mercury amalgams" and you don't hear the
term "silver amalgams" much anymore.

It only takes a fews parts per billion of mercury to poison
the human body and clog up the blood brain barrier.

"Larry Hoover" <larryhoover@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "Gym Bob" <noney@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:jdvS8.395$7X7.106574934@radon.golden.net...
> > do some research child
>
> Again, John makes unsupported inferences, either due to an
> inabilty to
read,
> or to comprehend, the written word.
>
> > "John 'the Man'" <DeMan[71]@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:vv4khugeqdh6joljfg4ss53431d93plc7r@4ax.com...
> > > Once upon a time, our fellow Larry Hoover rambled on
> > > about "Re: Anyone recommend a mercury 'detox in a box'
> > > product?." Our champion De-Medicalizing in
> > > sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
> > >
> > > >> I want to chelate the metal out of my organs ASAP.
> > >
> > > >If you decide to go the DMSA chelation route, be warned
> > > >that much
more
> > than
> > > >mercury will be purged from your system; substantial
> > > >amounts of other cations will also be lost.
> > >
> > > >I've appended a number of abstracts for your
> > > >consideration.
> > >
> > > >Regards, Larry
> > >
> > > Looks like "Hoover the Mover" is on the record for
> > > suggesting that DMSA chelation is effective for treating
> > > Mercury toxicity from Silver Amalgams.
>
> I didn't say that. I gave evidence that DMSA chelates a
> number of
different
> cations, including mercury, which the original poster sought
> to chelate.
>
> > > This makes our so-called scientist a Quack for two
> > > reasons.
> > >
> > > 1)Not attacking the notion that Silver Amalgams cause
> > > Mercury toxicity.
>
> I gave evidence that amalgam dental restorations are a
> source of mercury exposure, particularly if gum chewing and
> bruxism are factors. I made no comment with respect to
> toxicity arising therefrom.
>
> > > 2)For suggesting that Chelation Therapy for Mercury
> > > Toxicity is anything, but Quackery.
>
> If a person has had toxic exposure to mercury, then
> chelation is the medically recommended therapy, so you are
> wrong. Whether or not amalgam dental restorations lead to
> mercury toxicity is not clear, and I have expressed no
> opinion one way or the other. Ididn't suggest that route,
> the original poster did. I provided some medical studies
> which might prove informative, and assist in
> decision-making. My only comment on DMSA chelation was to
> warn about broader effects than simply enhanced excretion of
> mercury. "If you decide to go the DMSA chelation route, be
> warned that much more than mercury will be purged from your
> system; substantial
amounts
> of other cations will also be lost."
>
> I clearly recommended nutritional supplements to counter
> oxidative stress damage. That is all I recommended, but you
> snipped that part. Learn to
read,
> twit.
>
> "Perhaps the residual symptoms are due to oxidative stress?
> If so, ample supplementation of omega-3 fatty acids,
> phospholipids, and antioxidants
> (e.g alpha-lipoic acid, selenium, vitamin E) might be
> beneficial."
>

"Gym Bob" <noney@spam.com> wrote in message
news:UdOS8.415$N61.135489671@radon.golden.net...
> There may some confusion here.
>
> Silver amalgams (as they used to be called) are a silver
> alloy (very
little
> silver) that is mixed with mercury as a "setting" catalyst.
> The mercury is then usually squeezed out through a filter of
> some kind that supposedly extracts all the mercury from the
> alloy. There is not supposed to be any mercury left in the
> amalgam but it is still there as a residue and leaches into
> the bloodstream upon initial installation and upon
> disturbing later. (as in Bruxism).
>
> After the mercury in amalgam fillings came to light people
> started calling them "mercury amalgams" and you don't hear
> the term "silver amalgams" much anymore.
>
> It only takes a fews parts per billion of mercury to poison
> the human body and clog up the blood brain barrier.

Sorry, dude, but dental amalgam is generally between 46 and
53% mercury by weight.

http://www.garynull.com/Documents/Dental/Amalgam/amalgam-
_Index.htm

Once upon a time, our fellow Larry Hoover rambled on about
"Re: Anyone recommend a mercury 'detox in a box' product?."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts,
thusly ...

Yeah! And, I know who is confused. And, who just identified
themselves as Quacks. :-)

The only thing that counts is how much mercury vapor
escapes from "Silver Amalgams?" ANSWER: None for all
practical purposes.

The world does *not* need any more Fear-Mongers.
--
John Gohde Email: Ngs@NaturalHealthPerspective.com (((((((((((
Left-Brain Mode ON )))))))))))) Richmond, Virginia, USA,
Planet Earth, The Sun, Milky Way galaxy

>
>"Gym Bob" <noney@spam.com> wrote in message
>news:UdOS8.415$N61.135489671@radon.golden.net...
>> There may some confusion here.
>>
>> Silver amalgams (as they used to be called) are a silver
>> alloy (very
>little
>> silver) that is mixed with mercury as a "setting" catalyst.
>> The mercury is then usually squeezed out through a filter
>> of some kind that supposedly extracts all the mercury from
>> the alloy. There is not supposed to be any mercury left in
>> the amalgam but it is still there as a residue and leaches
>> into the bloodstream upon initial installation and upon
>> disturbing later. (as in Bruxism).
>>
>> After the mercury in amalgam fillings came to light people
>> started calling them "mercury amalgams" and you don't hear
>> the term "silver amalgams" much anymore.
>>
>> It only takes a fews parts per billion of mercury to poison
>> the human body and clog up the blood brain barrier.
>
>Sorry, dude, but dental amalgam is generally between 46 and
>53% mercury by weight.
>
>http://www.garynull.com/Documents/Dental/Amalgam/amalgam_-
>Index.htm

"John 'the Man'" <DeMan[71]@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:on3nhugtegnevdp5hi65v5la1f0qk4hufk@4ax.com...
> The only thing that counts is how much mercury vapor escapes
> from "Silver Amalgams?" ANSWER: None for all practical
> purposes.

Oh, really?

Let's just do a simple thought experiment. Let's consider the
genius who, while contemplating his navel one fine day, first
came up with the idea of using amalgam dental restorations. "I
know!", he exclaimed. "We just won't tell them that we're
putting one of the most toxic metals in their mouths! We'll
call it silver amalgam, and they'll never know the
difference!"

If you consider that left-over amalgam must be handled as
toxic waste, to avoid *dermal* exposure, you really have to
wonder about storing said material in your mouth.

There is no more significant exposure route to mercury, for
the typical person, than via amalgam restorations. In fact,
mercury exposure from amalgam exceeds, by far, the sum of all
other exposures, for the typical person.

There is probable no safe exposure limit. Individuals tolerate
mercury exposure differently. And, individuals experience
different exposure levels from dental amalgam. Just look at
those variables in the following studies.

And, there's another absorption route that is seldom
considered, let alone measured: direct absorption into the
brain via nasal membranes, of mercury vapour.

And, finally, you yourself have argued that treatment
decisions should be left to the individual. Do you need a
quotation for that? Your own words, John.

FASEB J 1995 Apr;9(7):504-8

Comment in: FASEB J. 1995 Nov;9(14):1499-500.

Mercury exposure from "silver" tooth fillings: emerging
evidence questions a traditional dental paradigm.

Lorscheider FL, Vimy MJ, Summers AO.

Department of Medical Physiology, Faculty of Medicine,
University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

For more than 160 years dentistry has used silver amalgam,
which contains approximately 50% Hg metal, as the preferred
tooth filling material. During the past decade medical
research has demonstrated that this Hg is continuously
released as vapor into mouth air; then it is inhaled, absorbed
into body tissues, oxidized to ionic Hg, and finally
covalently bound to cell proteins. Animal and human
experiments demonstrate that the uptake, tissue distribution,
and excretion of amalgam Hg is significant, and that dental
amalgam is the major contributing source to Hg body burden in
humans. Current research on the pathophysiological effects of
amalgam Hg has focused upon the immune system, renal system,
oral and intestinal bacteria, reproductive system, and the
central nervous system. Research evidence does not support the
notion of amalgam safety.

Toxicology 1995 Mar 31;97(1-3):19-22

The dental amalgam mercury controversy--inorganic mercury and
the CNS; genetic linkage of mercury and antibiotic resistances
in intestinal bacteria.

Lorscheider FL, Vimy MJ, Summers AO, Zwiers H.

Department of Medical Physiology, Faculty of Medicine,
University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

Mercury (Hg) vapor exposure from dental amalgam has been
demonstrated to exceed the sum of all other exposure sources.
Therefore the effects of inorganic Hg exposure upon cell
function in the brain and in the intestinal bacteria have
recently been examined. In rats we demonstrate that
ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin brain proteins is
markedly inhibited, and that ionic Hg can thus alter a
neurochemical reaction involved with maintaining neuron
membrane structure. In monkeys we show that Hg, specifically
from amalgam, will enrich the intestinal flora with
Hg-resistant bacterial species which in turn also become
resistant to antibiotics.

Arch Environ Health 1994 Sep-Oct;49(5):384-94

Human exposure to mercury and silver released from dental
amalgam restorations.

Skare I, Engqvist A.

National Institute of Occupational Health Stockholm, Sweden.

In 35 healthy individuals, the number of amalgam surfaces was
related to the emission rate of mercury into the oral cavity
and to the excretion rate of mercury by urine. Oral emission
ranged up to 125 micrograms Hg/24 h, and urinary excretions
ranged from 0.4 to 19 micrograms Hg/24 h. In 10 cases,
urinary and fecal excretions of mercury and silver were also
measured. Fecal excretions ranged from 1 to 190 micrograms
Hg/24 h and from 4 to 97 micrograms Ag/24 h. Except for
urinary silver excretion, a high interplay between the
variables was exhibited. The worst-case individual showed a
fecal mercury excretion amounting to 100 times the mean
intake of total Hg from a normal Swedish diet. With regard to
a Swedish middle-age individual, the systemic uptake of
mercury from amalgam was, on average, predicted to be 12
micrograms Hg/24 h.

Eur J Oral Sci 1996 Jun;104(3):320-1

A case of high mercury exposure from dental amalgam.

Langworth S, Stromberg R.

Dept. Occupational Medicine, Huddinge University
Hospital, Sweden.

This report describes a patient who suffered from several
complaints, which by herself were attributed to her amalgam
fillings. Analysis of mercury in plasma and urine showed
unexpectedly high concentrations, 63 and 223 nmol/l,
respectively. Following removal of the amalgam fillings, the
urinary excretion of mercury became gradually normalized, and
her symptoms declined.

Sci Total Environ 1990 Dec 1;99(1-2):1-22

Does mercury from amalgam restorations constitute a
health hazard?

Weiner JA, Nylander M, Berglund F.

National Board of Occupational Safety and Health, Solna,
Sweden.

Amalgam is the most extensively used implant material in
dentistry. There have been no clinical trials of this
substance and there are no epidemiological studies that allow
any conclusions on the safety of amalgam fillings. Amalgam
restorations continuously emit mercury vapour, which is
absorbed in considerable quantities via the lungs. A
comparison with dose-effect relationships, obtained in
occupational studies, for certain effects on the kidneys and
central nervous system (CNS), suggests that individuals with
unusually high emission of mercury from amalgam fillings are
at risk. It is unclear whether or not clinically significant
effects could be expected. The limited sensitivity of
available occupational studies, together with insufficient
knowledge of possible host factors affecting resistance to
mercury, implies that other more severe effects in susceptible
individuals cannot be excluded. Information on long-term
effects on organs other than brain or kidney is sparse. Animal
studies suggest the possibility of immune system reactions to
mercury, i.e. development of autoimmunity, that are not
primarily dose-dependent, but rather depend on genetic
susceptibility. From a toxicological point of view, amalgam is
an unsuitable material for dental restorations.

Int Arch Allergy Immunol 1995 Mar;106(3):180-203

Does amalgam affect the immune system? A controversial issue.

Enestrom S, Hultman P.

Department of Pathology I, Linkoping University, Sweden.

Although in use for more than 150 years, dental amalgam has
been questioned more or less vigorously as a dental
restoration material due to its alleged health hazard. Humans
are exposed to mercury and the other main dental amalgam
metals (Ag, Sn, Cu, Zn) via vapour, corrosion products in
swallowed saliva, and direct absorption into the blood from
the oral cavity. Dental amalgam fillings are the most
important source of mercury exposure in the general
population. Local, and in some instances, systemic
hypersensitivity reactions to dental amalgam metals,
especially mercury, occur at a low frequency among amalgam
bearers. Experimental and clinical data strongly indicate that
these and other subclinical systemic adverse immunological
reactions to dental amalgam metals in humans will be linked to
certain MHC genotypes, and affect only a small number of the
exposed individuals. These individuals will be very difficult
to detect in a mixed population of susceptible and resistant
individuals, including persons with alleged symptoms due to
dental amalgam fillings, where many of the individuals are
likely to suffer from conditions with no proven immunological
background such as multiple chemical sensitivity syndrome.
Intensified studies should be performed to identify such
susceptible MHC genotypes, taking advantage of the reported
cases of more heavily metal-exposed humans with systemic
autoimmune reactions. Further studies will also be needed to
ascertain whether the combined exposure to the metals in
dental amalgam may lower the threshold for adverse
immunological reactions, since recent studies have shown that
the metals in alloy, especially silver, may induce
autoimmunity in genetically susceptible mice.

Biometals 1999 Sep;12(3):227-31

Dental amalgam mercury exposure in rats.

Galic N, Prpic-Mehicic G, Prester L, Blanusa M, Krnic Z,
Ferencic Z.

Department of Dental Pathology, School of Dentistry,
Zagreb, Croatia.

The aim of this study was to measure the distribution of
mercury, in tissues of rats exposed to amalgam over a two
months period. Possible interaction of mercury with copper and
zinc in organs was also evaluated. Rats were either exposed to
mercury from 4 dental amalgams, or fed the diet containing
powdered amalgam during two months. Mercury was measured in
the kidney, liver and brain, copper in kidney and brain and
zinc in kidney. The results showed significantly higher
concentrations of mercury in the kidneys and the brains of
rats in both exposed groups compared to control. Even after
two months of exposure to mercury brain mercury concentration
in rats with amalgam fillings was 8 times higher than in the
control and 2 times higher than in rats exposed to amalgam
supplemented diet. The highest mercury concentration in the
latter group was found in the kidneys and it was 5 times
higher than in the control group. We found no significant
differences between mercury levels in exposed and control
rat's liver. Exposure to mercury from dental amalgams did not
alter the concentrations of copper and zinc in the tissues.
Histopathological analyses of rats tissues did not show any
pathological changes. These results support previously
proposed nose-brain transport of mercury released from dental
amalgam fillings.

Once upon a time, our fellow Larry Hoover rambled on about
"Re: Anyone recommend a mercury 'detox in a box' product?."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts,
thusly ...

>> The only thing that counts is how