This is for a discussion started on the effects of the Atkins
Diet. I found this on the Welcome page of AOL and thought
someone might find it interesting...

http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/Article/58/66544.h-
tm?pagenumber=2

An excerpt:

  >"I understand why people would want to slam Atkins. I have
  >very big problems with diets that eliminate whole groups of
  >food, as his does," Lindeman tells WebMD. "But Atkins made us
  >think more about the role of insulin in weight reduction. The
  >question is whether his diet is doing any harm. And recent
  >studies show it significantly lowers cholesterol and
  >triglycerides."

Dana

"Dana" <AuntieDana~juno.com> wrote in message
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  > This is for a discussion started on the effects of the
  > Atkins Diet. I found this on the Welcome page of AOL and
  > thought someone might find it interesting...
  >
  >
http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/Article/58/66544.h-
tm?pagenumber=2
  >
  >
  > An excerpt:
  >
     > >"I understand why people would want to slam Atkins. I have
     > >very big
problems with diets that eliminate whole groups of food, as
his does," Lindeman tells WebMD. "But Atkins made us think
more about the role of insulin in weight reduction. The
question is whether his diet is doing any harm. And recent
studies show it significantly lowers cholesterol and
triglycerides."
  >
  > Dana

Dana,

I see people who have never been able to lose weight and they
are losing with Atkins. The biggest fight for many of us is
hunger. I could eat a huge meal and be starving in an hour.
With Atkins I feel satisfied longer, and my hunger seems to
be less intense, less gnawing. My doctor put me on a modified
Atkins the minute he gave me a diagnosis. So far it is
helping me a lot.

Many other health problems seem to have lessened since I am
eating this way, and my blood glucose is in the normal range,
not diabetic range. It is working for me, and working well. My
belief is that if someone can get the same results while
eating higher levels of carbohydrates than I do (I try and
stay under 60 grams a day but my Dr. says I should stay under
100) then they should do whatever works for them.

When I eat more carbs I get more hungry and my numbers go up.
To me it is simple. Carbs in, numbers go up. So my choice is
clear. I am losing weight but slowly.... just enough to keep
me encouraged. So Atkins has been my choice.

Regards, Evelyn

It's interesting that she says that his diet "eliminates whole
groups of food", when it doesn't.

Carbohydrates are lowered, but not at all eliminated.

In the on going weight loss and maintenance areas you find
many complex carbs.

Jennifer

Dana wrote:
  > This is for a discussion started on the effects of the
  > Atkins Diet. I found this on the Welcome page of AOL and
  > thought someone might find it interesting...
  >
  > http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/Article/58/66544-
  > .htm?pagenumber=2
  >
  >
  > An excerpt:
  >
  >
     >>"I understand why people would want to slam Atkins. I have
     >>very big problems with diets that eliminate whole groups of
     >>food, as his does," Lindeman tells WebMD. "But Atkins made
     >>us think more about the role of insulin in weight reduction.
     >>The question is whether his diet is doing any harm. And
     >>recent studies show it significantly lowers cholesterol and
     >>triglycerides."
  >
  >
  > Dana

"Dana" <AuntieDana~juno.com> wrote in message
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  > This is for a discussion started on the effects of the
  > Atkins Diet.
I
  > found this on the Welcome page of AOL and thought someone
  > might find it interesting...
  >
  >
http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/Article/58/66544.h-
tm?pagenu mber=2
  >
  >
  > An excerpt:
  >
     > >"I understand why people would want to slam Atkins. I have
     > >very big
problems with diets that eliminate whole groups of food, as
his does," Lindeman tells WebMD. "But Atkins made us think
more about the role of insulin in weight reduction. The
question is whether his diet is doing any harm. And recent
studies show it significantly lowers cholesterol and
triglycerides."

I would definitely disagree about whole food groups being
eliminated. Some items in some groups are reduced or an
alternate food used. The thing about food groups anyway is
that each group provides a certain nutrient that our body
needs, it is possible to get all our nutrients from foods
without the use of supplements and still not eat more carbs
than our individual bodies are able to handle.

My diet is for blood sugar control first and foremost, the
fact that I can also gear it for weight loss and still not
miss any nutrients is a bonus. Most diabetics are handed a
diet sheet similar to the ADA diet and most end up finding
that they simply cannot control their blood sugars while
following those diets to the letter. I have been researching
foods, their nutrients and their effects on blood sugar for 25
years and I can categorically state that I can happily devise
my own personal diet and not miss out on anything vital to my
good health. With help from people like Quentin Grady who also
researches, but on a different level to myself, I can tweak my
diet from time to time to receive maximum benefit for diabetic
control and vascular health.

On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:52:11 GMT, "Evelyn Ruut"
<mama-lionsox~hvc.rr.com> wrote:

  >When I eat more carbs I get more hungry and my numbers go up.
  >To me it is simple. Carbs in, numbers go up. So my choice is
  >clear. I am losing weight but slowly.... just enough to keep
  >me encouraged. So Atkins has been my choice.
  >
  >Regards, Evelyn
It's amazing, isn't it? You know, I have heard about Atkins
for years and its always bad stuff, now 30 something years
into it the medical community is just now saying that maybe
his diet is not that bad.

I think whatever works for you is what you should do. I'd go
on the ping pong ball diet if it worked for me. <G>

Dana

On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:23:19 -0700, Jennifer
<jenniferNOSPAM~earthlink.net> wrote:

  >It's interesting that she says that his diet "eliminates
  >whole groups of food", when it doesn't.

Well, I don't think you can have dairy products at all, right?
Doesn't he say no milk, butter, etc?

  >
  >Carbohydrates are lowered, but not at all eliminated.
  >
  >In the on going weight loss and maintenance areas you find
  >many complex carbs.

It's been awhile since I read his book and I don't follow his
diet either.

Dana

On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:03:00 +1000, "Ozgirl"
<someone~nothere.com> wrote:

  >My diet is for blood sugar control first and foremost, the
  >fact that I can also gear it for weight loss and still not
  >miss any nutrients is a bonus. Most diabetics are handed a
  >diet sheet similar to the ADA diet and most end up finding
  >that they simply cannot control their blood sugars while
  >following those diets to the letter. I have been researching
  >foods, their nutrients and their effects on blood sugar for
  >25 years and I can categorically state that I can happily
  >devise my own personal diet and not miss out on anything
  >vital to my good health. With help from people like Quentin
  >Grady who also researches, but on a different level to
  >myself, I can tweak my diet from time to time to receive
  >maximum benefit for diabetic control and vascular health.

That's great!! I wish I had started looking into meal plans
when I was first diagnosed.

Dana

"Dana" <AuntieDana~juno.com> wrote in message
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  > On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:23:19 -0700, Jennifer
  > <jenniferNOSPAM~earthlink.net> wrote:
  >
     > >It's interesting that she says that his diet "eliminates
     > >whole groups of food", when it doesn't.
  >
  > Well, I don't think you can have dairy products at all,
  > right? Doesn't he say no milk, butter, etc?

No, he doesn't say that. I can't remember about milk, but you
are in fact SUPPOSED to eat butter! I found this odd because
the types of foods I would normally eat butter on are not
allowed. Cheese is allowed too, but he cautions you not to eat
too much of it if you have high cholesterol.

--
Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:59:45 -0400, Dana
<AuntieDana~juno.com> wrote:

  >Well, I don't think you can have dairy products at all,
  >right? Doesn't he say no milk, butter, etc?

You can have butter and cheese, yogurt, sour cream, and
heavy cream. No
milk.

Carol
--
Type 2, dx May 15,1995 Glucophage XR Low Carb Eating Plan
Stretching Exercises and Walking

Dana: I think if someone cant control the ADA diet with
willpower or for what ever reason they have to settle for
just controlling their sugar. to me there is 2 goals every
doctor sets for a diabetic if that diabetic can not maintain
a healthy weight give them a diet that will atleast control
the sugar.

--
"Sushi-Boy" Diabetes to some it is a curse for me its a CURE.
www.diabetes.org/main/application/commercewf?origin=*.jsp&eve-
nt=link(B)

"Dana" <AuntieDana~juno.com> wrote in message
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  > On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:52:11 GMT, "Evelyn Ruut"
  > <mama-lionsox~hvc.rr.com> wrote:
  >
     > >When I eat more carbs I get more hungry and my numbers go
     > >up. To me it is simple. Carbs in, numbers go up. So my
     > >choice is clear. I am losing weight but slowly.... just
     > >enough to keep me encouraged. So Atkins has been my choice.
     > >
     > >Regards, Evelyn
  > It's amazing, isn't it? You know, I have heard about Atkins
  > for years and its always bad stuff, now 30 something years
  > into it the medical community is just now saying that maybe
  > his diet is not that bad.
  >
  > I think whatever works for you is what you should do. I'd go
  > on the ping pong ball diet if it worked for me. <G>
  >
  > Dana

No, butter, milk, cheese etc. are all fine on his plan.

Jennifer

Dana wrote:
  > On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:23:19 -0700, Jennifer
  > <jenniferNOSPAM~earthlink.net> wrote:
  >
  >
     >>It's interesting that she says that his diet "eliminates
     >>whole groups of food", when it doesn't.
  >
  >
  > Well, I don't think you can have dairy products at all,
  > right? Doesn't he say no milk, butter, etc?
  >
  >
     >>Carbohydrates are lowered, but not at all eliminated.
     >>
     >>In the on going weight loss and maintenance areas you find
     >>many complex carbs.
  >
  >
  > It's been awhile since I read his book and I don't follow
  > his diet either.
  >
  > Dana

"Dana" <AuntieDana~juno.com> wrote in message
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  > On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:23:19 -0700, Jennifer
  > <jenniferNOSPAM~earthlink.net> wrote:
  >
     > >It's interesting that she says that his diet
     > >"eliminates whole
groups of
     > >food", when it doesn't.
  >
  > Well, I don't think you can have dairy products at
  > all, right?
Doesn't
  > he say no milk, butter, etc?

Cheese is dairy and not a no no. Butter is not a no no. I eat
a low fat, low carb yoghurt, sardines, cheese, cottage cheese,
almonds - plenty of calcium in fact.

"Dana" <AuntieDana~juno.com> wrote in message
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  > On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:03:00 +1000, "Ozgirl"
  > <someone~nothere.com> wrote:
  >
     > >My diet is for blood sugar control first and foremost,
     > >the fact
that I
     > >can also gear it for weight loss and still not miss any
     > >nutrients
is a
     > >bonus. Most diabetics are handed a diet sheet similar to
     > >the ADA
diet
     > >and most end up finding that they simply cannot control
     > >their blood sugars while following those diets to the
     > >letter. I have been researching foods, their nutrients and
     > >their effects on blood sugar for 25 years and I can
     > >categorically state that I can happily
devise
     > >my own personal diet and not miss out on anything vital to
     > >my good health. With help from people like Quentin Grady
     > >who also
researches,
     > >but on a different level to myself, I can tweak my diet
     > >from time
to
     > >time to receive maximum benefit for diabetic control and
     > >vascular health.
  >
  > That's great!! I wish I had started looking into meal
  > plans when I
was
  > first diagnosed.

It was forced on me, I have only had diabetes for 3 years, had
gestational diabetes a few times but the thing that made me
have to take note of what I ate was 22 years of reactive
hypoglycemia, a common pre-cursor of diabetes. It made my life
hell until I learned what I could about it and complex carbs
and how to eat combos of carb and fat and protein etc to avoid
collapsing on the ground from normal activities let alone
exercise. I only tipped over to real diabetes when I went on a
high carb, low fat diet. Strangely very close to the current
ADA type diets. My dicky pancreas couldn't handle the high
carbs, they were complex carbs too.

On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:59:45 -0400, Dana wrote:

  > Well, I don't think you can have dairy products at all,
  > right? Doesn't he say no milk, butter, etc?

Cheese is dairy

On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 02:05:01 GMT, Damsel in dis Dress
<damsel-in-dis-dress~att.net.invalid> wrote:

  >You can have butter and cheese, yogurt, sour cream, and heavy
  >cream. No
  >milk.

Maybe that's where I got the dairy products from... hmmm..

Dana