a doctor writes on http://www.nutramed.com/allergy/candida.htm

Colon candida are fed by *milk sugar* and starches in the
diet which reach the colon undigested, not free sugars in
food which tend to be absorbed before reaching the yeast.
On a food holiday, the food supply to the Candida and all
other colon microorganisms is reduced and the population
decreases. The use of an elemental nutrient formula, such
as Alpha ENF, with high glucose content, is associated with
reduction or disappearance of candida in the colon.

Any comments?

i don't claim to have candidiasis, but i have a candida
allergy, an immediate skin-test reaction to candida. A couple
of allergists have recommended cutting down on sugar, "it
feeds the yeast".

Anybody know the reality of this? my impression was that what
the doctor said on the web page is right, that simple sugars
get absorbed really fast, don't make it to the gut.

But then, maybe eating simple sugars feeds Candida in
the throat.

So what's the science behind it, anyone know?

thanks laura

Lacustral wrote:

  > a doctor writes on
  > http://www.nutramed.com/allergy/candida.htm
  >
  > Colon candida are fed by *milk sugar* and starches in the
  > diet which reach the colon undigested, not free sugars in
  > food which tend to be absorbed before reaching the yeast.
  > On a food holiday, the food supply to the Candida and all
  > other colon microorganisms is reduced and the population
  > decreases. The use of an elemental nutrient formula, such
  > as Alpha ENF, with high glucose content, is associated
  > with reduction or disappearance of candida in the colon.
  >
  > Any comments?
  >
  > i don't claim to have candidiasis, but i have a candida
  > allergy, an immediate skin-test reaction to candida.

As the article states on that web page that a Candida skin
test is used as a control to check and make sure it is
positive. Everybody should be positive and if you are not then
your immune status is poor and other skin testing is invalid
such as TB skin testing. Many HIV patients have TB but a
negative skin test and the only way to see if the skin test is
reliably negative is to check for skin test with Candida. If
the Candida skin test is negative then the negative skin test
with TB is suspect and invalid. The entire world has a
positive skin test except HIV and decreased immune system
people so to connect it with disease is a little strange.

  > A couple of allergists have recommended cutting down on
  > sugar, "it feeds the yeast".
  >
  > Anybody know the reality of this? my impression was that
  > what the doctor said on the web page is right, that simple
  > sugars get absorbed really fast, don't make it to the gut.
  >
  > But then, maybe eating simple sugars feeds Candida in
  > the throat.
  >
  > So what's the science behind it, anyone know?
  >
  > thanks laura

Lacustral <lark~adore.lightlink.com> wrote in message
news:b3thcb$r0a$1~admiral.lightlink.com...
  > a doctor writes on
  > http://www.nutramed.com/allergy/candida.htm
  >
  > Colon candida are fed by *milk sugar* and starches in the
  > diet which reach the colon undigested, not free sugars in
  > food which tend to be absorbed before reaching the yeast.
  > On a food holiday, the food supply to the Candida and all
  > other colon microorganisms is reduced and the population
  > decreases. The use of an elemental nutrient formula, such
  > as Alpha ENF, with high glucose content, is associated
  > with reduction or disappearance of candida in the colon.
  >
  >
  > Any comments?

Yep... this is beginning like another enema post. Am I right?

  >
  > i don't claim to have candidiasis, but i have a candida
  > allergy, an immediate skin-test reaction to candida. A
  > couple of allergists have recommended cutting down on sugar,
  > "it feeds the yeast".
  >
  > Anybody know the reality of this? my impression was that
  > what the doctor said on the web page is right, that simple
  > sugars get absorbed really fast, don't make it to the gut.
  >
  > But then, maybe eating simple sugars feeds Candida in
  > the throat.
  >
  > So what's the science behind it, anyone know?
  >
  > thanks laura

Jim (Jimmytime~hotmail.com) wrote:

  >As the article states on that web page that a Candida skin
  >test is used as a control to check and make sure it is
  >positive. Everybody should be positive and if you are not
  >then your immune status is poor

No. i said an "immediate skin test response to Candida".

i seem to remember being told, actually, the allergist doesn't
care about skin reaction that appear later than 15 minutes or
whatever it is.

But, they do make something of it if you react quickly. "you
might be allergic to yeast in foods", "try eating less
sugar", etc.

I think it is standard for allergists to test for Candida
allergy, actually.

i'm getting allergy shots for it, among other things.

But, i just wanted to know, what really is the best diet to
discourage Candida?

from http://www.vaentallergy.com/yeast_sensitivity.htm
(ENT doctor)

YEAST SENSITIVITY

The term yeast sensitivity refers to an allergy to yeast
that may grow on one's body. This yeast may be found in the
G I tract, in the vagina, as thrush in the oral cavity, as
jock itch in the groin, as athlete's foot between the toes,
or under the fingernails or toenails. The yeast infection
may be the result of excessive yeast or sugar in the diet
or may occur after the use of antibiotics or steroids. The
most common yeast found on the body are Candida,
Trichophyton, and Epidermophyton.

The yeast itself may cause symptoms such as itching,
burning or skin breakdown. However, the patient may develop
an allergy to the yeast that may result in further
symptoms, often worse than those caused by the yeast
itself. The target organs of this allergy may be located
far from the site of the yeast infection. This process is
known as the id reaction. The most common site of symptoms
is the external auditory canal. The patient may experience
eczema of the ear canals with chronic itching, flaky
build-up of canal skin, and rash or skin breakdown with
drainage or infection. The nasal cavity is also frequently
affected, resulting in classic nasal allergy symptoms, such
as nasal congestion, runny nose and post nasal drip. Other
symptoms may include rash or hives on other parts of the
body, chronic fatigue, and poor concentration.

The mechanism of the id reaction is similar to that of
classic inhalant allergies such as ragweed or dust mite.
Therefore it responds very well to conventional allergy
immunotherapy or shots. Once a true yeast sensitivity has
been diagnosed by allergy skin testing, a series of
injections are given weekly until the patient builds up to
a maintenance dose. At that time, the interval between
shots may gradually be increased. Response to immunotherapy
is usually quite good, especially if attempts are also made
to reduce the yeast load on the body. This may be done with
antifungal medications, such as Nystatin, Diflucan,
Nizoral, or Sporonox. Some of these medicines may require
blood tests to monitor liver function. Other ways to reduce
the yeast load are to decrease the amount of yeast in the
diet and to limit the consumption of sugar and fruits,
which provide nourishment for the yeast.

On 2 Mar 2003 21:13:55 GMT, lark~adore.lightlink.com
(Lacustral) wrote:

  >But, i just wanted to know, what really is the best diet to
  >discourage Candida?

A diet that boost the immune system. Candida overgrowth is a
result of immune system deficiency. And is mostly seen in AIDS
patient or diabetic patients.

But all people has lot of candida around. It is just
kept under control by immune system (but all tests
should be positive)

Alf Christophersen (alf.christophersen~basalmed.uio.no) wrote:

  >A diet that boost the immune system. Candida overgrowth is a
  >result of immune system deficiency.

i don't have candida overgrowth so far as i know. Except
possibly that i was on antibiotics.

What i have is an *allergy* to candida.

Lacustral wrote:

  > I think it is standard for allergists to test for Candida
  > allergy, actually.
  >
  > i'm getting allergy shots for it, among other things.
  >
  > But, i just wanted to know, what really is the best diet to
  > discourage Candida?

Candida is normal flora and only when it gets out of control
meaning that their is overgrowth is when you can get problems.
An allergy on the other hand when tested for in an immediate
skin test is a measure of an allergic reaction to the mere
presence of yeast and not in large number. You will never
completely eliminate an allergy. You can avoid a bee sting but
not yeast.

  >
  >
  > from http://www.vaentallergy.com/yeast_sensitivity.htm
  > (ENT doctor)
  >
  > YEAST SENSITIVITY
  >
  > The term yeast sensitivity refers to an allergy to yeast
  > that may grow on one's body. This yeast may be found in
  > the G I tract, in the vagina, as thrush in the oral
  > cavity, as jock itch in the groin, as athlete's foot
  > between the toes, or under the fingernails or toenails.
  > The yeast infection may be the result of excessive yeast
  > or sugar in the diet or may occur after the use of
  > antibiotics or steroids. The most common yeast found on
  > the body are Candida, Trichophyton, and Epidermophyton.

First of all Trichophyton, Epidermophyton and Microsporin
species are skin dermatophytes true fungi and not yeast. That
is either a misprint or misrepresentation.Factual errors like
that should raise a red flag.

  >
  >
  > The yeast itself may cause symptoms such as itching,
  > burning or skin breakdown. However, the patient may
  > develop an allergy to the yeast that may result in
  > further symptoms, often worse than those caused by the
  > yeast itself. The target organs of this allergy may be
  > located far from the site of the yeast infection. This
  > process is known as the id reaction. The most common site
  > of symptoms is the external auditory canal. The patient
  > may experience eczema of the ear canals with chronic
  > itching, flaky build-up of canal skin, and rash or skin
  > breakdown with drainage or infection. The nasal cavity is
  > also frequently affected, resulting in classic nasal
  > allergy symptoms, such as nasal congestion, runny nose
  > and post nasal drip. Other symptoms may include rash or
  > hives on other parts of the body, chronic fatigue, and
  > poor concentration.

As far as nasal problems and allergies by far is Aspergillus
another true fungi and not yeast.

  >
  >
  > The mechanism of the id reaction is similar to that of
  > classic inhalant allergies such as ragweed or dust mite.
  > Therefore it responds very well to conventional allergy
  > immunotherapy or shots. Once a true yeast sensitivity has
  > been diagnosed by allergy skin testing, a series of
  > injections are given weekly until the patient builds up
  > to a maintenance dose. At that time, the interval between
  > shots may gradually be increased. Response to
  > immunotherapy is usually quite good, especially if
  > attempts are also made to reduce the yeast load on the
  > body. This may be done with antifungal medications, such
  > as Nystatin, Diflucan, Nizoral, or Sporonox. Some of
  > these medicines may require blood tests to monitor liver
  > function. Other ways to reduce the yeast load are to
  > decrease the amount of yeast in the diet and to limit the
  > consumption of sugar and fruits, which provide
  > nourishment for the yeast.

Good luck with that you might want to try hydrocolonic
therapy. Keep in mind that skin, mucous membranes colonization
does not come from GI infections. It is the local micro
environment that promotes the floral change.

On 2 Mar 2003 23:01:04 GMT, lark~adore.lightlink.com
(Lacustral) wrote:

  >
  >What i have is an *allergy* to candida.

Who says that (except yourself) ?? A homeopat? Or a
naturopat?? Or someone else who want to empty your wallet

Jim (Jimmytime~hotmail.com) wrote:

  >Candida is normal flora and only when it gets out of control
  >meaning that their is overgrowth is when you can get
  >problems. An allergy on the other hand when tested for in an
  >immediate skin test is a measure of an allergic reaction to
  >the mere presence of yeast and not in large number. You will
  >never completely eliminate an allergy. You can avoid a bee
  >sting but not yeast.

Surely, the idea of "starving yeast" by diet is valid?

i mean, if somebody ate a low-carbohydrate diet, that should
result in less yeast, because they eat mostly carbohydrates
and not protein.

i don't want to eat a low-carbohydrate diet -- but perhaps
that other doctor is right that some carbohydrates just "don't
get to the yeast". Or maybe sugar encourages them somehow. Why
sugar? i always wondered, if carbohydrates are supposed to be
split into simple sugars quite quickly in the stomach, why
does it matter what kind of carbohydrate you eat?

Is there any scientific support for the idea that eating sugar
encourages Candida?

i think that Candida might be causing me problems. i have been
eating a clove of garlic with meals, and an hour or two later
i get red, itchy eyes and a woozy feeling. Garlic is supposed
to kill yeast. antihistamines help so i think it's an allergic
reaction. i'm eating a very varied rotation diet so i doubt
the food outside of garlic is doing it, since a nubmer of
different meals with garlic have done it to me. *maybe* i'm
allergic to garlic ...

a few years ago i tried taking caprylic acid. i was only
taking one of the capsules per day, i think they recommended 2
or 3 ... but i got sick taking it, it felt like the flu, and i
stopped. The flu-like feeling is usually attributed to the
yeast dying off and it's supposed to go away after a while,
but i didn't feel up having a bout of "flu".

So if dead yeast causes intense reactions, i think a normal
yeast population might be giving me low-level chronic
problems. and i do have low-level chronic problems of the sort
that tend to be mold allergy. decreasing the GI yeast somehow
and seeing if i feel better seems worth trying.

the ENT doctor i quoted is not the allergist i've been seeing.

  >Good luck with that you might want to try hydrocolonic
  >therapy. Keep in mind that skin, mucous membranes
  >colonization does not come from GI infections. It is the
  >local micro environment that promotes the floral change.

thanks for the suggestion ... i hope the allergy shots, which
include yeast, will help. i don't seem to have much skin or
mucous membrane yeast, possibly a little. i might have yeast
in my throat, an allergist told me once that 80% of people
have Candida in the throat. And possibly THAT causes systemic
allergic reactions (fatigue etc.) i am not so concerned with
yeast colonization that doesn't cause systemic reactions.

laura

Lacustral <lark~adore.lightlink.com> wrote in message
news:b400rh$aer$1~admiral.lightlink.com...
  > Jim (Jimmytime~hotmail.com) wrote:
  >
     > >Candida is normal flora and only when it gets out of
     > >control meaning that their is overgrowth is when you can
     > >get problems. An allergy on the other hand when tested for
     > >in an immediate skin test is a measure of an allergic
     > >reaction to the mere presence of yeast and not in large
     > >number. You will never completely eliminate an allergy. You
     > >can avoid a bee sting but not yeast.
  >
  > Surely, the idea of "starving yeast" by diet is valid?

REPLY:

Careful there ........ The PETA people go wild when they hear
of this kind of thing .....

Joel

  >
  > i mean, if somebody ate a low-carbohydrate diet, that should
  > result in less yeast, because they eat mostly carbohydrates
  > and not protein.
  >
  > i don't want to eat a low-carbohydrate diet -- but perhaps
  > that other doctor is right that some carbohydrates just
  > "don't get to the yeast". Or maybe sugar encourages them
  > somehow. Why sugar? i always wondered, if carbohydrates are
  > supposed to be split into simple sugars quite quickly in
  > the stomach, why does it matter what kind of carbohydrate
  > you eat?
  >
  > Is there any scientific support for the idea that eating
  > sugar encourages Candida?
  >
  > i think that Candida might be causing me problems. i have
  > been eating a clove of garlic with meals, and an hour or two
  > later i get red, itchy eyes and a woozy feeling. Garlic is
  > supposed to kill yeast. antihistamines help so i think it's
  > an allergic reaction. i'm eating a very varied rotation diet
  > so i doubt the food outside of garlic is doing it, since a
  > nubmer of different meals with garlic have done it to me.
  > *maybe* i'm allergic to garlic ...
  >
  > a few years ago i tried taking caprylic acid. i was only
  > taking one of the capsules per day, i think they recommended
  > 2 or 3 ... but i got sick taking it, it felt like the flu,
  > and i stopped. The flu-like feeling is usually attributed to
  > the yeast dying off and it's supposed to go away after a
  > while, but i didn't feel up having a bout of "flu".
  >
  > So if dead yeast causes intense reactions, i think a normal
  > yeast population might be giving me low-level chronic
  > problems. and i do have low-level chronic problems of the
  > sort that tend to be mold allergy. decreasing the GI yeast
  > somehow and seeing if i feel better seems worth trying.
  >
  > the ENT doctor i quoted is not the allergist i've been
  > seeing.
  >
     > >Good luck with that you might want to try hydrocolonic
     > >therapy. Keep in mind that skin, mucous membranes
     > >colonization does not come from GI infections. It is the
     > >local micro environment that promotes the floral change.
  >
  > thanks for the suggestion ... i hope the allergy shots,
  > which include yeast, will help. i don't seem to have much
  > skin or mucous membrane yeast, possibly a little. i might
  > have yeast in my throat, an allergist told me once that 80%
  > of people have Candida in the throat. And possibly THAT
  > causes systemic allergic reactions (fatigue etc.) i am not
  > so concerned with yeast colonization that doesn't cause
  > systemic reactions.
  >
  > laura

Alf Christophersen (alf.christophersen~basalmed.uio.no) wrote:
  >On 2 Mar 2003 23:01:04 GMT, lark~adore.lightlink.com
  >(Lacustral)

     >>What i have is an *allergy* to candida.

  >Who says that (except yourself) ?? A homeopat? Or a
  >naturopat?? Or someone else who want to empty your wallet

Alf, Two separate allergists have told me this. I didn't seek
out a Candida-oriented allergist, either. i got skin tests and
got an immediate reaction to Candida, among other things.

So far as i can tell, it is a pretty standard part of
allergy testing. They tell you to avoid dietary yeast and to
avoid sugar. i am getting allergy shots for Candida among
other things.

i have questions about the avoiding sugar part. Other doctors
have said that's bullshit.

So i wonder what a good diet to discourage Candida would be,
other than a low-carbohydrate diet.

laura

On 3 Mar 2003 16:50:49 GMT, lark~adore.lightlink.com
(Lacustral) wrote:

  >i have questions about the avoiding sugar part. Other doctors
  >have said that's bullshit.

That's why I'm very skeptical to those 'allergists'. If
correct, you should be constantly in allergic reaction mode,
because it is simply impossible to avoid 100% contact with
the organism.

I am not in disagreement with your practicioners or your
beliefs. I participate in these alternative forms and believe
in them 95%.

but

You have found that your SKIN is allergic to candida only.
Think, if they poured your hydrochloric acid from your
stomache on your skin! What would happen?

If you want to find food allergies the closest thing is
provocative allergy tests under the tongue. Your skin tells
only your skin allaergies. Don't eat with your skin.

What the hell is an "allergy shot"? I bet no naturopathic doc
told you that one.

"Lacustral" <lark~adore.lightlink.com> wrote in message
news:b40159$aer$2~admiral.lightlink.com...
  > Two separate allergists have told me this. I didn't seek out
  > a Candida-oriented allergist, either. i got skin tests and
  > got an immediate reaction to Candida, among other things.
  >
  > So far as i can tell, it is a pretty standard part of
  > allergy testing. They tell you to avoid dietary yeast and to
  > avoid sugar. i am getting allergy shots for Candida among
  > other things.
  >
  > i have questions about the avoiding sugar part. Other
  > doctors have said that's bullshit.
  >
  > So i wonder what a good diet to discourage Candida would be,
  > other than a low-carbohydrate diet.
  >
  > laura

Alf Christophersen wrote:

  > On 3 Mar 2003 16:50:49 GMT, lark~adore.lightlink.com
  > (Lacustral) wrote:
  >
     > >i have questions about the avoiding sugar part. Other
     > >doctors have said that's bullshit.
  >
  > That's why I'm very skeptical to those 'allergists'. If
  > correct, you should be constantly in allergic reaction mode,
  > because it is simply impossible to avoid 100% contact with
  > the organism.

That's what I was basically trying to say. The sugar
connection is derived from the association of diabetics and
Candida infections especially in the urine. The theory being
that the free glucose in the urine generates the Candida
growth. High glucose also alters immunity by interfering with
cell function. This is more an infection rather than an
allergic reaction. In an allergic reaction you have IgE
antibodies attached to mast cells and when the antigen
attaches to the IgE then the mast cell degranulates the
histamine. You end up with either local or systemic
manifestations of this release. In the gut histamine causes
diarrhea. Non absorbable sugars such as in lactase deficiency
you also get diarrhea although not of allergic origin. Any
change or imbalance in the normal flora of the gut can also
cause diarrhea with some deadly antibiotic induced bacterial
over growths. The Candida and other yeast simply go along for
the ride. Yeast are only able to metabolize some sugars and
not all. That is one way in which they are able to derive
species. There are other yeast that people have had trouble
with and as I said they eat different things.Allergy shots are
done in order to establish a high IgG antibody titer so as to
clear the allergen away from finding an IgE antibody. It has
mixed results and success. Keep in mind that these antibodies
do not destroy yeast as they are kept in check with cellular
immunity as any HIV patient knows. I share your skepticism
about skin testing and allergists. I went to one years ago
when I have child hood asthma. They did the whole skin testing
thing and found many allergies. I still eat those things and
only the ones which really hit me hard like strawberries do I
avoid. The connection between skin testing and food allergies
is questionable and a more empirical approach is better.