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Old Sat, Jul-02-05, 19:01
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High triglycerides are normally caused by eating excessive carbs. They will lower the longer you are on low-cal. Four weeks is too soon to get your blood levels checked after changing your diet. Get a retest in three more months, and you will see a significant drop in the triglycerides.

You HDL is good and is protective from problems.
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Yay well at least that is reassuring! I wonder what it was like BEFORE this WOL then! Could of been scary! Thanks for the quick response.
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Well I didn't see a more appropriate place to post this but let's see if I get any response. I am in my 4th week of Atkins. I did not get my blood tested before I started however, yesterday I had some tests done because I needed my thyroid rechecked.

Heres how it came out

Total Cholesterol 178
HDL 57
LDL 87
Triglycerides 172 (according to my lab it is High-Normal range is 39-149, but according to these posts, Under 200 is good? )

I go to my doc on Tuesday to discuss, I got a copy of these from work, but I'm freaking out about it. I want to make sure I am not doing anything to hurt my body!

Help!!



Looks pretty good to me.....but I don't believe cholesterol is any indicator of heart disease. Are you on any meds? supplements? Do NOT let your total get under 160 if you are.

"Desired" is mainly total under 200. High HDL...the higer the better, 57 is definitly on the high side. LDL should be low, under 100 I believe is the latest "desired" level. Remember tho....only about 1/2 of the people with heart disease have elevated or undesirable levels.

Last I heard Tri's should be below 200. The lower the better. The best way to lower this is to stick with LC and make sure you have a full fast prior to having blood draw. Non-fasting levels are useless.

Ask your doc to check your CRP (C-Reactive Protein) and Homocystine levels. Folate and B Complex is the treatment of choice for elevated levels. According to the latest research homocystine causes inflammation of blood vessels, so should be kept low. CRP is an indicator that you have inflammation going on in your body. This can be elevated for other problems, but it's believed now that inflammation anywhere in the body can cause heart disease. (I find this a little hard to believe...we'll see).

Taking B Complex and Folate is the best thing to get and keep these two low. Statins apparently also lower these, but cause some nasty and sometmes irreversible side effects in many.

The other thing that you can do to keep your cholestol levels good is to stay as far away from trans-fats as possible. Here's a good web-site about trans-fats: http://www.bantransfats.com/index.html. Weston A Price has lots of good info too.
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Old Sun, Jul-03-05, 08:55
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Thanks for the reply!! I also had them check fasting glucose and lipoprotein, I fasted for about 12 hours prior to blood draw. My glucose was 96 and lipoprotein is still pending. I guess I'm just concerned about the Triglycerides. One of the doc's I work with in the Peds clinic, who I just asked for his opinon, told me 172 was high and was probably high because I was eating alot of fatty foods. I will discuss this with my endocrine doc on Tuesday! Thanks again.
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Old Sun, Jul-03-05, 16:34
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One of the doc's I work with in the Peds clinic, who I just asked for his opinon, told me 172 was high and was probably high because I was eating alot of fatty foods.

No, it's carb intake, fat intake, unless it's trans-fat has no impact on triglycerides. He may very well mean trans fat actually....does he know your plan? If not he may assume you eat as much as a "normal" ( ) person does!

Sounds like a doc I work with....he said I had to eat grains and I asked him why, what was in them that I couldn't get in other foods. His response was "I don't know....but everyone knows they're good for you". Now, I imagine he went and checked online after that....I would...but I don't know for sure....but he has NEVER brought up diet again....and has never mentioned my 40+ loss.

I am 51 yrs old. My last total was around 265, HDL in the 50's and LDL 192.

I had been on Lipitor and stopped because of nasty side effects and education. My doc told me that she'd want me back on it, but agreed to check levels first. because of my tri's and HDL "she decided" I didn't need it after all. On the Lipitor my total went down to 154, but my HDL went down to 28. When I first stopped the Lipitor my LDL went up faster than my HDL, and my total went up to 320, NOT on LC.
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Unhappy Worried about results.

I had fallen off the LC wagon a year ago and desperately tried to get back with the program, much to my failure and dismay. So naturally, I gained a lot of weight back. I'm right back to where I started (220, possibly plus since I weighed myself at the doc's).

A specialist routinely took my bood pressure which looked high so she tells me to see my regular doctor. I prolonged it due to time, but one day right before Christmas felt pretty lousy.

I go to my regular MD, blood pressure is High, 150/90, then he takes blood samples for tests. The results:

Total cholesterol: 254
Triglycerides: 293
HDL - 49
LDL - 146

I read the very beginning of this thread to see if I could figure out how much danger I'm in, but I can't quite decide. Logically, cholesterol and trigly. being high, I'm worried.

So I'm drinking even more water, though not as much as I would on the LC plan, and eating very limited proteins (more roughage and anti-oxidant type veggies) until I can figure out what to do.

Can anyone clue me in on what my results mean?

Really appreciated your help,
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Old Fri, Feb-17-06, 10:22
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Hello ,

I was wondering if anyone could help me out and see if I should panic or not !!

Cholesterol total = 5.75 Elevated( reference says 3.20 - 5.20 )
Tri = 0.49 ( reference says 0.00 - 2.30 )
HDL = 1.16 ( reference says 0.90 - 2.30 )
LDL = 4.37 Elevated ( reference says 1.60 - 3.40 )

CHD risk factor 4.96 ( reference says 3.10 - 5.00 )

Thank you so very much
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Old Fri, Feb-17-06, 14:01
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I had fallen off the LC wagon a year ago and desperately tried to get back with the program, much to my failure and dismay. So naturally, I gained a lot of weight back. I'm right back to where I started (220, possibly plus since I weighed myself at the doc's).

A specialist routinely took my bood pressure which looked high so she tells me to see my regular doctor. I prolonged it due to time, but one day right before Christmas felt pretty lousy.

I go to my regular MD, blood pressure is High, 150/90, then he takes blood samples for tests. The results:

Total cholesterol: 254
Triglycerides: 293
HDL - 49
LDL - 146

I read the very beginning of this thread to see if I could figure out how much danger I'm in, but I can't quite decide. Logically, cholesterol and trigly. being high, I'm worried.

So I'm drinking even more water, though not as much as I would on the LC plan, and eating very limited proteins (more roughage and anti-oxidant type veggies) until I can figure out what to do.

Can anyone clue me in on what my results mean?

Really appreciated your help,
MissB
MissB,

Cutting out the carbs will result in much lower triglycerides and the associated total cholesterol level. If you were low carbing when the blood was taken, then you had not fasted (which results in natural high triglycerides). Your HDL level is good and is heart protective.
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Old Fri, Feb-17-06, 14:06
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Hello ,

I was wondering if anyone could help me out and see if I should panic or not !!

Cholesterol total = 5.75 Elevated( reference says 3.20 - 5.20 )
Tri = 0.49 ( reference says 0.00 - 2.30 )
HDL = 1.16 ( reference says 0.90 - 2.30 )
LDL = 4.37 Elevated ( reference says 1.60 - 3.40 )

CHD risk factor 4.96 ( reference says 3.10 - 5.00 )

Thank you so very much
Shelly
Shelly,

I think your cholesterol levels are great. Your triclycerides are very low and you HDLs are acceptable. Your ratio of Triglyceries to HDL is fantastic.

The high LDL level is of no concern. LDLs can be either good or bad, depending upon their particle size. Large (fluffy) LDLs are good, while small dense LDLs are bad. In general, if triglycerides are low, then LDLs are fluffy and healthy.

Enjoy your continued health.
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Old Tue, Feb-21-06, 10:04
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MissB,

Cutting out the carbs will result in much lower triglycerides and the associated total cholesterol level. If you were low carbing when the blood was taken, then you had not fasted (which results in natural high triglycerides). Your HDL level is good and is heart protective.


Thanks for the reply Dodger. I was thinking that was the case, but why do I feel so ... lousy..?

After I posted, the doc gave me some blood-pressure meds which did not help, just made me feel worse. I stopped taking them at his recommendation. I didn't go back for a followup until recently (1 mo. later). I had started with Postassium, CoQ10 & Calcium/Magnesium supplements, which made me feel better (the swelling in my hands went down)...except that I had to go for a followup after 3 days of this last week, mostly because I felt my heart was pounding out of my chest, just going up a short flight of stairs, or even at rest! (It was so loud the noise kept me up at night).

I went back to the doc Friday, and he berated me of course. BP still high, and he gave me some medication (TOprol XL) that seems to have worked. I have some joint problems in my legs that make it difficult to get the excercise in when I have the opportunity (because of the pain). I'm too young for this!

I'm sure someone here has gone down this road, but I'm tearing my hair out over this.. I'm sure the stress of wondering whether one day I'll have a heart attack and die young doesn't help.

Really depressed,
MissBehave
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Old Tue, Feb-21-06, 10:19
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Thanks for the reply Dodger. I was thinking that was the case, but why do I feel so ... lousy..?

After I posted, the doc gave me some blood-pressure meds which did not help, just made me feel worse. I stopped taking them at his recommendation. I didn't go back for a followup until recently (1 mo. later). I had started with Postassium, CoQ10 & Calcium/Magnesium supplements, which made me feel better (the swelling in my hands went down)...except that I had to go for a followup after 3 days of this last week, mostly because I felt my heart was pounding out of my chest, just going up a short flight of stairs, or even at rest! (It was so loud the noise kept me up at night).

I went back to the doc Friday, and he berated me of course. BP still high, and he gave me some medication (TOprol XL) that seems to have worked. I have some joint problems in my legs that make it difficult to get the excercise in when I have the opportunity (because of the pain). I'm too young for this!

I'm sure someone here has gone down this road, but I'm tearing my hair out over this.. I'm sure the stress of wondering whether one day I'll have a heart attack and die young doesn't help.

Really depressed,
MissBehave
Calcium and magnesium should never be taken without taking vitamin D. Calcium and magnesium need to be balanced, if it's not it can cause the symptoms you describe.

Vitamin D with the correct balance of calcium and magnesium will lower blood pressure.
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Old Tue, Feb-21-06, 10:46
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Calcium and magnesium should never be taken without taking vitamin D. Calcium and magnesium need to be balanced, if it's not it can cause the symptoms you describe.

Vitamin D with the correct balance of calcium and magnesium will lower blood pressure.


Really? Interesting... I read up a lot on supplements regarding heart and bp situations before I took them.. I didn't see anything about Vitamin D in anything that I read. Where did you get that info? I'm curious to know if I inadvertently caused a problem. Honestly the day after I started all the swelling I had went down very very noticably.
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Really? Interesting... I read up a lot on supplements regarding heart and bp situations before I took them.. I didn't see anything about Vitamin D in anything that I read. Where did you get that info? I'm curious to know if I inadvertently caused a problem. Honestly the day after I started all the swelling I had went down very very noticably.

Vit D_Hypertension

Blood pressure is lowered by vitamin D (alphacalcidol) during long-term treatment of patients with intermittent hypercalcaemia. A double-blind, placebo-controlled study.
Lind L, Wengle B, Ljunghall S.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...6&dopt=Abstract

Ultraviolet light may contribute to geographic and racial blood pressure differences.
Rostand SG.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...3&dopt=Abstract

No major metabolic alterations accompany the hypotensive effect of active vitamin D.
Lind L, Wengle B, Lithell H, Ljunghall S.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...9&dopt=Abstract

Reduction of blood pressure by treatment with alphacalcidol. A double-blind, placebo-controlled study in subjects with impaired glucose tolerance.
Lind L, Lithell H, Skarfors E, Wide L, Ljunghall S.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...1&dopt=Abstract

The effects of sodium and calcium in clinical hypertension: mediating role of vitamin D metabolism.
Resnick LM.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract

Vitamin D regulation of the renin-angiotensin system.
Li YC.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract

Plasma 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentrations are inversely associated with blood pressure of Dahl salt-sensitive rats.
Thierry-Palmer M, Carlyle KS, Williams MD, Tewolde T, Caines-McKenzie S, Bayorh MA, Emmett NL, Harris-Hooker SA, Sanford GL, Williams EF.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...l=pubmed_DocSum

Association of calcitriol and blood pressure in normotensive men.
Kristal-Boneh E, Froom P, Harari G, Ribak J.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...l=pubmed_DocSum

Hypertension in primary hyperparathyroidism--reduction of blood pressure by long-term treatment with vitamin D (alphacalcidol). A double-blind, placebo-controlled study.
Lind L, Wengle B, Wide L, Sorensen OH, Ljunghall S.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...l=pubmed_DocSum
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Vit D_Hypertension

Blood pressure is lowered by vitamin D (alphacalcidol) during long-term treatment of patients with intermittent hypercalcaemia. A double-blind, placebo-controlled study.
Lind L, Wengle B, Ljunghall S.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...6&dopt=Abstract

Ultraviolet light may contribute to geographic and racial blood pressure differences.
Rostand SG.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...3&dopt=Abstract

No major metabolic alterations accompany the hypotensive effect of active vitamin D.
Lind L, Wengle B, Lithell H, Ljunghall S.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...9&dopt=Abstract

Reduction of blood pressure by treatment with alphacalcidol. A double-blind, placebo-controlled study in subjects with impaired glucose tolerance.
Lind L, Lithell H, Skarfors E, Wide L, Ljunghall S.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...1&dopt=Abstract

The effects of sodium and calcium in clinical hypertension: mediating role of vitamin D metabolism.
Resnick LM.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract

Vitamin D regulation of the renin-angiotensin system.
Li YC.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract

Plasma 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentrations are inversely associated with blood pressure of Dahl salt-sensitive rats.
Thierry-Palmer M, Carlyle KS, Williams MD, Tewolde T, Caines-McKenzie S, Bayorh MA, Emmett NL, Harris-Hooker SA, Sanford GL, Williams EF.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...l=pubmed_DocSum

Association of calcitriol and blood pressure in normotensive men.
Kristal-Boneh E, Froom P, Harari G, Ribak J.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...l=pubmed_DocSum

Hypertension in primary hyperparathyroidism--reduction of blood pressure by long-term treatment with vitamin D (alphacalcidol). A double-blind, placebo-controlled study.
Lind L, Wengle B, Wide L, Sorensen OH, Ljunghall S.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...l=pubmed_DocSum


Thanks for the links. Are you a nurse, doctor, scientist? I'm not. From what I have read in the above links I didn't see any mention of adverse reactions from calcium/magnesium supplements together with postassium. What I do understand is that Vitamin D does play a role in lowering BP within certain conditions.

http://www.webmd.com/content/pages/9/1675_57835

http://www.cardiologychannel.com/hy...uropathic.shtml

http://www.wholehealthmd.com/news/v...1513,14,00.html

http://www.healthcastle.com/high-bl...sure-diet.shtml

http://vanderbiltowc.wellsource.com...ent.asp?ID=1274

http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/hbp/prevent/factors/supls.htm

These sites are written in lay terms and all point out pretty much the same thing - the supplements I mentioned are recommended for high blood pressure. Of course, it's all taken with a grain of salt (pun intended) because you should talk to your doctor before taking anything when you have a condition. I'm guilty of not doing that, but it apparently is ok for me.

Interestingly, too much salt restriction can lead to conditions that will cause a stroke when you have high blood pressure, depending whether you are salt-sensitive or not.

http://www.pdrhealth.com/content/nu...rs/fgnt12.shtml
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Thanks for the links. Are you a nurse, doctor, scientist? I'm not. From what I have read in the above links I didn't see any mention of adverse reactions from calcium/magnesium supplements together with postassium. What I do understand is that Vitamin D does play a role in lowering BP within certain conditions.

http://www.webmd.com/content/pages/9/1675_57835

http://www.cardiologychannel.com/hy...uropathic.shtml

http://www.wholehealthmd.com/news/v...1513,14,00.html

http://www.healthcastle.com/high-bl...sure-diet.shtml

http://vanderbiltowc.wellsource.com...ent.asp?ID=1274

http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/hbp/prevent/factors/supls.htm

These sites are written in lay terms and all point out pretty much the same thing - the supplements I mentioned are recommended for high blood pressure. Of course, it's all taken with a grain of salt (pun intended) because you should talk to your doctor before taking anything when you have a condition. I'm guilty of not doing that, but it apparently is ok for me.

Interestingly, too much salt restriction can lead to conditions that will cause a stroke when you have high blood pressure, depending whether you are salt-sensitive or not.

http://www.pdrhealth.com/content/nu...rs/fgnt12.shtml
I didn't say taking calcium/magnesium, and potassium together were bad. I didn't say taking them wouldn't help hypertension. I said they need to be taken with vitamin D as vitamin D regulates calcium levels and function in the body.

Calcium function is dependent with vitamin D, magnesium needs to be balanced with calcium, potassium needs to be balanced with magnesium.

I looked at your cites. Most seem to be a rehashing of current theory and some of it i.e., eat plenty of grains, get most of your vitamins from food, lose weight, cut back on salt while standard dogma is not particularly helpful. I'm sure it's very readable. But as you noted yourself only some people are salt resistent and sometimes drastic salt reduction can cause problems.

A lot of supplements are interactive and depend on each other. Upsetting the balance of that interaction or leaving a necessary component out can cause problems, i.e. palpitations.

In the case of these supplements vitamin D should be part of the team.

That's what I was saying.

Oh and the most CoQ10 I saw recommended was 50mg twice a day. That amount won't do much for the heart. Don't get me wrong, anything helps I'm sure but that amount while slightly protective won't reverse any damage.

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