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Old Mon, Sep-09-02, 21:01
Tavington
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I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full stop. Why
do so many disillusioned people advocate HIT? It is an easy
way out. They somehow believe that by doing _less_ work, they
will achieve greater muscle gains. This absurd proposition
completely negates all of the theories taught in higher
education regarding physiology and fitness.

Devotees of HIT will advocate that:

- Muscle potential is largely genetic. They believe that no
matter how much you train, some people cannot achieve the
muscle mass of professional bodybuilders. I am a true
believer of that great wise teacher, Dr. Martin Luther King.
That everyone is equal and that there are no inherent
distinctions between the races (and sexes I might add.) HIT
training by this very premise sounds racist. Pretty thin
veil, practitioners of HIT.

- One should work out no more than once or twice per week
at a maximum of one hour per session. The problem with
that is that it encourages people to be lazy and not put
in the necessary time and effort to create the desired
results. Just for the legs, Jim Rosenthal in the May 1997
issue of FLEX Magazine recommends the following exercises
per workout:

Barbell Squats 4x20 Vertical leg press 5x20 Hack Squats 4x20
Lunges 4x20 Seated Leg Presses 5x20 Leg Extensions 6x20 Lying
leg curls 5x20 Standing leg curls 5x15 Stiff-leg deadlift 4x15

HIT advocates believe that just by performing deadlifts or
squats is sufficient enough. Which makes more sense?

- HIT apologists believe that if one has stopped making
progress that he should cut down on the number of sets
that he is doing. This is the most ridiculous idea that I
have ever heard of. The solution I would give is to spread
out the various exercises throughout the week. A typical
good week for workouts should be 90-120 minutes every day
from Monday to Saturday (which includes 30-45 minutes of
cardio, warmups and warmdowns) followed by 60 minutes of
exercises on Sunday (this day being your day to take it
easier than usual).

- Some zealous HIT believers think that by performing "super
slow" reps, that one could gain more muscle mass. Let me ask
you, if you run 2 miles at a very slow pace, will it be more
effective than if you made a brisk, steady run? Taken to its
logical extreme, one could crawl for 2 miles and get a more
intense workout than if he actually ran it. Get real!
Super-explosive arm blaster routines are the most effective
ways to tone and shape your muscles.

- HIT devotees try to lure the beginners and sell them
their snake oil books and newsletters. I believe that
www.cyberpump.com is a huge disservice. The Internet is a
proven haven of greedy opportunists and criminals. Child
molesters and right-wing hate groups communicate on the
Internet to spread their filth, and it appears that
HITers are using this to misguide the impressionable
beginners. I say this to the beginners: it is better to
follow the proven, mainstream bodybuilding magazines such
as Men's Health and FLEX than to read the HIT propaganda
on the Internet.

Misguided, stupid HIT grognards may not agree, but it is a
proven fact that the longer and harder that you work at
something, the better the results will be. It is thanks to
following the Weider principles and using Weider's supplements
that I have surpassed the HIT cultists and achieved a
beautiful, sculpted physique. It is not easy--however, do not
let yourselves under any circumstances be tempted by the HIT
theory. HIT is only a theory that has never been proven. Ask
any HITer if they have really made any substantial gains and
they look the other way, trying to hide their flabby stomach,
muttering something about the "librul' media" trying to
brainwash everybody.

HIT DOES NOT WORK!
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Old Mon, Sep-09-02, 21:01
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Tavington wrote:
  >
  > I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full stop.
  > Why do so many disillusioned people advocate HIT? It is an
  > easy way out. They somehow believe that by doing _less_
  > work, they will achieve greater muscle gains. This absurd
  > proposition completely negates all of the theories taught in
  > higher education regarding physiology and fitness.
  >
  > Devotees of HIT will advocate that:
  >
  > - Muscle potential is largely genetic. They believe that no
  > matter how much you train, some people cannot achieve the
  > muscle mass of professional bodybuilders. I am a true
  > believer of that great wise teacher, Dr. Martin Luther
  > King. That everyone is equal and that there are no
  > inherent distinctions between the races (and sexes I
  > might add.)

A statement proving the true moron. Wondering who? Look in
the mirror.

Anyone who denies inherent biological and genetic differences
between genders and or races has their head so far up their
asses as to be laughable. Wipe your nose, it's covered with
shit, dumbass.

Lyle
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"Tavington" <tavington~zsazsabinks.com> wrote in message
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  > I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full stop. ,
.............
  > muttering something about the "librul' media" trying to
  > brainwash
everybody.
  >
  > HIT DOES NOT WORK!
  >
1. stop reading about it and do your own thing.
2. now that you've vented do you feel any better?
3. yeah, Mike Metzner, and Dorian Yates, pussies
4. Weider has only your best interest at heart. Trust me
5. That genetics thing, its highly over rated, after all,
aren't we all 6ft, 225 and blond at birth. forget about
msucle insertion points and limb length. Why let science
get in the way of a good rant.
6. Looking like a freak of nature with paper thin skin, no
balls, an brain tumors is a personal goal that diabonal
will deliver on demand. Go for it.
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Old Mon, Sep-09-02, 21:01
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  > - HIT devotees try to lure the beginners and sell them their
  > snake oil books and newsletters. I believe that
  > www.cyberpump.com is a huge disservice. The Internet is a
  > proven haven of greedy opportunists and criminals. Child
  > molesters and right-wing hate groups communicate on the
  > Internet to spread their filth, and it appears that HITers
  > are using this to misguide the impressionable beginners. I
  > say this to the beginners: it is better to follow the
  > proven, mainstream bodybuilding magazines such as Men's
  > Health and FLEX than to read the HIT propaganda on the
  > Internet.

So which one are you?

*The Internet is a proven haven of greedy opportunists and
criminals. Child molesters and right-wing hate groups
communicate on the Internet to spread their filth*

  > It is thanks to following the Weider principles and using
  > Weider's supplements that I have surpassed the HIT
  > cultists and achieved a beautiful, sculpted physique. HIT
  > DOES NOT WORK!
  >
  >
  >

And the above is some of the saddest crap I've every read. You
forgot to thank jesus.
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Old Mon, Sep-09-02, 21:01
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In article <3d7d2e36$1_2~news.cybersurf.net>, Tavington wrote:
  > I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full stop.
  > Why do so many disillusioned people advocate HIT? It is an
  > easy way out.

There is nothing *easy* about HIT. Training sessions are
short, but they are supposed to be very difficult.

To put it another way, anything that requires doing a set of
squats to failure is not an "easy way out".

Have you ever performed a set of squats to failure ? Until
you've done so, don't go calling HIT an "easy way out".

  > Devotees of HIT will advocate that:
  >
  > - Muscle potential is largely genetic.

Well, it is.

  > They believe that no matter how much you train, some people
  > cannot achieve the muscle mass of professional bodybuilders.
  > I am a true believer of that great wise teacher, Dr. Martin
  > Luther King. That everyone is equal

Martin Luther King did not mean to imply that everyone was
genetically identical.

  > and that there are no inherent distinctions between the
  > races (and sexes I might add.)

How did you pass sex ed with this sort of attitude ? There are
certainly some very obvious differences between the sexes.
There are also obvious physical differences between different
ethnic groups (skin color, for example). As much as you'd like
to believe it ain't so, it's a simple fact that a skinny 5
foot lady with a 20 inch waist is not going to look like
Dorian Yates with any amount of training.

  > - One should work out no more than once or twice per week at
  > a maximum of one hour per session. The problem with that
  > is that it encourages people to be lazy

Lazy people do not perform squats to failure.

  > and not put in the necessary time and effort to

HIT is all about *effort*. The philosophy is, in a nutshell,
more effort, less time.

  > create the desired results. Just for the legs, Jim Rosenthal
  > in the May 1997 issue of FLEX Magazine recommends the
  > following exercises per workout:
  >
  > Barbell Squats 4x20 Vertical leg press 5x20 Hack Squats 4x20
  > Lunges 4x20 Seated Leg Presses 5x20 Leg Extensions 6x20
  > Lying leg curls 5x20 Standing leg curls 5x15 Stiff-leg
  > deadlift 4x15

That's all very well, but how many of those sets are performed
to failure ? Is the trainee using steroids ? Does the trainee
have the same recovery ability as I do ?

  > HIT advocates believe that just by performing deadlifts or
  > squats is sufficient enough.

Early in my training, I followed a routine in Ellington
Darden's book, and it included calf raises, stiff legged
deadlifts, squats, and I think leg curls.

  > Which makes more sense?

A while ago, people believed that a flat world made more
sense, but that didn't make it true.

  > - Some zealous HIT believers think that by performing "super
  > slow" reps,

Some people who believe in the Weider principles also believe
a lot of other things that may not be true. So what ?

  > - HIT devotees try to lure the beginners and sell them their
  > snake oil books and newsletters.

But Joe Weider has your best interests at heart (-;

  > impressionable beginners. I say this to the beginners: it is
  > better to follow the proven, mainstream bodybuilding
  > magazines such as Men's Health and FLEX than to read the HIT
  > propaganda on the Internet.

Flex ? Of course. Who wants to read a real book or journal
article when one can look at nudie pics of Sharon Bruneau and
Cory Everson instead ?

  > Misguided, stupid HIT grognards may not agree,

Apparently, a lot of people who don't use HIT don't agree with
you either.

  > but it is a proven fact that the longer and harder that you
  > work at something, the better the results will be.

And now we get to the part where you cite a credible source in
support of this claim, right ?

Assuming that's true for a moment, why does that workout you
mentioned contain so few sets ? I mean, why workout for just a
few hours, when you could spend 8 hours in the gym instead ?

  > never been proven. Ask any HITer if they have really made
  > any substantial gains and they look the other way, trying to
  > hide their flabby stomach,

And now we get to the part where you cite an article that
supports the claim that HIT results in a flabby stomach.

Cheers,
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Old Mon, Sep-09-02, 21:01
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"Lyle McDonald" <lylemcd~onr.com> wrote:
  > Tavington wrote:
     > >
     > > I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full
     > > stop. Why
do so many
     > > disillusioned people advocate HIT? It is an easy way
     > > out. They
somehow
     > > believe that by doing _less_ work, they will achieve
     > > greater
muscle gains.
     > > This absurd proposition completely negates all of the
     > > theories
taught in
     > > higher education regarding physiology and fitness.
     > >
     > > Devotees of HIT will advocate that:
     > >
     > > - Muscle potential is largely genetic. They believe
     > > that no
matter how much
     > > you train, some people cannot achieve the muscle mass of
professional
     > > bodybuilders. I am a true believer of that great wise
     > > teacher,
Dr. Martin
     > > Luther King. That everyone is equal and that there are no
inherent
     > > distinctions between the races (and sexes I might add.)
  >
  > A statement proving the true moron. Wondering who? Look in
  > the mirror.
  >
  > Anyone who denies inherent biological and genetic
  > differences
between
  > genders and or races has their head so far up their asses as
  > to be laughable. Wipe your nose, it's covered with shit,
  > dumbass.

It was a pretty amazing "I am a moron and proud of it" post.
Funny he was trying to discredit HIT in doing it. Poor dead
Mike would be chuckling if he was alive.

Actually, he'd be scratching at the roof of his coffin if he
was alive, but that's another story.

David
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Old Mon, Sep-09-02, 21:01
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"Lyle McDonald" <lylemcd~onr.com> wrote in message
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  > Tavington wrote:
     > >
     > > I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full stop.
     > > Why do so
many
     > > disillusioned people advocate HIT? It is an easy way out.
     > > They somehow believe that by doing _less_ work, they will
     > > achieve greater muscle
gains.
     > > This absurd proposition completely negates all of the
     > > theories taught in higher education regarding physiology
     > > and fitness.
     > >
     > > Devotees of HIT will advocate that:
     > >
     > > - Muscle potential is largely genetic. They believe that
     > > no matter how
much
     > > you train, some people cannot achieve the muscle mass of
     > > professional bodybuilders. I am a true believer of that
     > > great wise teacher, Dr.
Martin
     > > Luther King. That everyone is equal and that there are no
     > > inherent distinctions between the races (and sexes I
     > > might add.)
  >
  > A statement proving the true moron. Wondering who? Look in
  > the mirror.
  >
  > Anyone who denies inherent biological and genetic
  > differences between genders and or races has their head so
  > far up their asses as to be laughable. Wipe your nose, it's
  > covered with shit, dumbass.
  >

Uhh, Lyle, you don't understand. He follows the Weirder
Principles!!! And he uses the Weider Supplements too. So it
must be true!!

BWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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"kevin dill" <kev~kevskreations.com> wrote in news:Yqaf9.2039-
9$jG2.1493437~bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:

  > 6. Looking like a freak of nature with paper thin skin, no
  > balls, an brain tumors is a personal goal that diabonal
  > will deliver on demand. Go for it.

You could start here: http://www.bicepmania.net/
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"kevin dill" <kev~kevskreations.com> wrote:
  > "Tavington" <tavington~zsazsabinks.com> wrote:
     > > I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full
     > > stop. ,
  > .............
     > > muttering something about the "librul' media" trying to
     > > brainwash
  > everybody.
     > >
     > > HIT DOES NOT WORK!
     > >
  > 1. stop reading about it and do your own thing.
  > 2. now that you've vented do you feel any better?
  > 3. yeah, Mike Metzner, and Dorian Yates, pussies

One was a loon and is now dead. The other has never done HIT
routines at any time in recorded history.

David
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"kevin dill" <kev~kevskreations.com> wrote:
  > 6. Looking like a freak of nature with paper thin skin, no
  > balls,
an brain
  > tumors is a personal goal that diabonal will deliver on
  > demand. Go
for it.

"Diabonal" causes brain tumors, huh? Must have been what
killed that football player, whatsizname?

David
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In article <MPG.17e7ec6424298a60989ac0~vic.nnrp.telstra.net>,
Fish! wrote:
  >
     >>
     >> - HIT devotees try to lure the beginners and sell them
     >> their snake oil books and newsletters. I believe that
     >> www.cyberpump.com is a huge disservice. The Internet is a
     >> proven haven of greedy opportunists and criminals. Child
     >> molesters and right-wing hate groups communicate on the
     >> Internet to spread their filth, and it appears that
     >> HITers are using this to misguide the impressionable
     >> beginners. I say this to the beginners: it is better to
     >> follow the proven, mainstream bodybuilding magazines such
     >> as Men's Health and FLEX than to read the HIT propaganda
     >> on the Internet.
  >
  > So which one are you?
  >
  > *The Internet is a proven haven of greedy opportunists and
  > criminals. Child molesters and right-wing hate groups
  > communicate on the Internet to spread their filth*
  >
     >> It is thanks to following the Weider principles and using
     >> Weider's supplements that I have surpassed the HIT
     >> cultists and achieved a beautiful, sculpted physique. HIT
     >> DOES NOT WORK!
  >
  > And the above is some of the saddest crap I've every read.
  > You forgot to thank jesus.

That rant was so far off-base that I was almost waiting for
him to thank the little green men from mars, and finish the
post with "the truth is out there".

--
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"Lyle McDonald" <lylemcd~onr.com> wrote in message
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  > Tavington wrote:
     > >
     > > I am sick and tired hearing about HIT training. Full stop.
     > > Why do so
many
     > > disillusioned people advocate HIT? It is an easy way out.
     > > They somehow believe that by doing _less_ work, they will
     > > achieve greater muscle
gains.
     > > This absurd proposition completely negates all of the
     > > theories taught in higher education regarding physiology
     > > and fitness.
     > >
     > > Devotees of HIT will advocate that:
     > >
     > > - Muscle potential is largely genetic. They believe that
     > > no matter how
much
     > > you train, some people cannot achieve the muscle mass of
     > > professional bodybuilders. I am a true believer of that
     > > great wise teacher, Dr.
Martin
     > > Luther King. That everyone is equal and that there are no
     > > inherent distinctions between the races (and sexes I
     > > might add.)
  >
  > A statement proving the true moron. Wondering who? Look in
  > the mirror.
  >
  > Anyone who denies inherent biological and genetic
  > differences between genders and or races has their head so
  > far up their asses as to be laughable. Wipe your nose, it's
  > covered with shit, dumbass.
  >
  > Lyle

You big meany head
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"Oscar Madisoy" <omadisoy~optonline.net> wrote in message
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  > "kevin dill" <kev~kevskreations.com> wrote in news:Yqaf9.20-
  > 399$jG2.1493437~bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
  >
     > > 6. Looking like a freak of nature with paper thin skin,
     > > no balls, an brain tumors is a personal goal that
     > > diabonal will deliver on demand. Go for it.
  >
  > You could start here: http://www.bicepmania.net/

This guy looked young naturally and at a yong age. He gave
that up to become a super freak. He gives personal
appearances. I just gotta wonder Who pays for tand who attends
them?? Scary.
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"Oscar Madisoy" <omadisoy~optonline.net> wrote in message
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  > "kevin dill" <kev~kevskreations.com> wrote in news:Yqaf9.20-
  > 399$jG2.1493437~bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
  >
     > > 6. Looking like a freak of nature with paper thin skin,
     > > no balls,
an
     > > brain tumors is a personal goal that diabonal will
     > > deliver on
demand.
     > > Go for it.
  >
  > You could start here: http://www.bicepmania.net/

A Synthol freak has what, exactly, to do with the part of the
post you quoted?

David
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"Oscar Madisoy" <omadisoy~optonline.net> wrote in message
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  > "kevin dill" <kev~kevskreations.com> wrote in news:Yqaf9.20-
  > 399$jG2.1493437~bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
  >
     > > 6. Looking like a freak of nature with paper thin skin,
     > > no balls, an brain tumors is a personal goal that
     > > diabonal will deliver on demand. Go for it.
  >
  > You could start here: http://www.bicepmania.net/

great googley moogley! that a true freak!
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