I have recently been trying to eat more vegetables in my diet
to lose weight and improve my health. Instead of trying for
just 5 servings a day of vegetables, I am trying to eat as
much vegetable matter as possible, in order to fill up on the
fiber and to get the benefit of the vitamins and
phytochemicals in vegetables.

I have been eating a lot of these vegetables raw, among them
green cabbage, red cabbage, carrots, broccoli, and bell
peppers. I am not terribly averse to eating cooked vegetables,
but it is currently hot here and I prefer to just graze my way
through bunches of raw veggies than to go into the kitchen and
cook. I was under the impression that raw vegetables are in
some ways healthier than cooked ones--I do not subscribe to
the extremes of the raw foodists who consume nothing but raw
foods, but I do think that raw veggies are healthy.

Or maybe I should say that I did think they were healthy.
Recently a friend told me that eating raw nightshades such as
green peppers will poison me in the long run. I also saw on
the Internet that eating raw cruciferous vegetables like
cabbage and broccoli--which I consume a lot of--have
goiter-causing substances.

I am interested in hearing the opinions of the people on this
newsgroup as to the pros and cons of eating lots of raw
vegetables. I am sure there are opinions on both sides of the
issue, and I am interested in hearing both sides in order to
make my own informed decision.

Applecandy

Once upon a time, our fellow Applecandy rambled on about "Raw
veggies, pro and con?." Our champion De-Medicalizing in
sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

  >I also saw on the Internet that eating raw cruciferous
  >vegetables like cabbage and broccoli--which I consume a lot
  >of--have goiter-causing substances.

I can personally can atest to that fact! I attribute eating
large amounts of coleslaw (ie, raw cabbbage) to being
primarily responsible for causing a serious thyroid flair up
in me. I felt like I was dying from throat cancer.

Finally got it under control and or cured. Have not had a flaw
up in a long time.

At the very least, you should consume one Kelp supplement pill
with each meal that contains lot of goitrogens, like
cruciferous vegetables and soybeans. Ignore the RDA Iodine in
the salt nonsense. Research shows that high goitrogen meal
content calls for extra Iodine.

Of course, you can go overboard on taking Kelp / Iodine
supplements, too. Excessive Iodine can cause a thyroid flair
up of the reverse nature.

  >I am interested in hearing the opinions of the people on this
  >newsgroup as to the pros and cons of eating lots of raw
  >vegetables. I am sure there are opinions on both sides of the
  >issue, and I am interested in hearing both sides in order to
  >make my own informed decision.

Cooking destroys many toxins naturally found in food. Cooking
vegetables, believe it or not, improves the bioavailability of
many nutrients by breaking down fiber. Including Olive Oil/
fat in each meal also improves the bioavailability of the all
carotenoids

I challenge you to try to eat "grains and legumes" without
cooking them.

Actually about the only benefit of eating raw vegetables is
Fiber.
--
John Gohde, Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is the foundation of
the biomedical model of natural health. Weighing in at 17
webpages, Nutrition (www.Food.NaturalHealthPerspective.com/)
is now with more documentation and sharper terminology than
ever before.

On 25 Jul 2002 06:51:22 -0700, apeikong~hotmail.com
(Applecandy) wrote:

  |I am interested in hearing the opinions of the people on this
  |newsgroup as to the pros and cons of eating lots of raw
vegetables.

Too much of anything will push weight gain.

Applecandy,

Nothing wrong with raw vegetables, but as with anything
else you will have problems if you go to extremes. Your
body needs balance. Also, unless you live in some very
remote area and grow all your own food, even with organic
vegetables you cannot completely avoid some alteration or
contamination. Eating too much broccoli, for example, will
increase you intake of pesticides. I'd rather take my
chances on a large variety of foods from which I am sure I
get a large variety of poison, but it seems safer than
getting too much of any one in particular.

Marvin L. Zinn Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:16 EDT Windows 2000 build
2195 Using Virtual Access

John 'the Man' <DeMan[75]~hotmail.com> wrote in message
  >
  > Actually about the only benefit of eating raw vegetables
  > is Fiber.

Well, there are several heat-labile nutrients which are
destroyed by cooking, so you have to weigh the pros and cons.

Mark, MD

In misc.health.alternative John 'the Man'
<DeMan[75]~hotmail.com> wrote:

  : I challenge you to try to eat "grains and legumes" without
  : cooking them.

You can spout them and/or juice them - that seems to work
pretty well.

  : Actually about the only benefit of eating raw vegetables
  : is Fiber.

Many of the veggies I eat, I remove the fibre - because it
hinders digestion.

Not that I do *that* many veggies. Give me a fruit any day ;-)
--
__________
|im |yler http://timtyler.org/ tim~tt1.org

Once upon a time, our fellow Tim Tyler rambled on about "Re:
Raw veggies, pro and con?." Our champion De-Medicalizing in
sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

  >Give me a fruit any day ;-)

I often feel that there are Fruits to the right of me, and
Fruits to the left of me.

And, this THREAD proves that Fruits like to hide and wait
until some rational person, like me, responds. :-(

Sorry, but you guys are still Fruits!!!
--
John Gohde, Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is the foundation of
the biomedical model of natural health. Weighing in at 17
webpages, Nutrition (www.Food.NaturalHealthPerspective.com/)
is now with more documentation and sharper terminology than
ever before.

"Tim Tyler" <tim~tt1.org> wrote in message
news:GztLH9.J2r~bath.ac.uk...
  > In misc.health.alternative John 'the Man'
  > <DeMan[75]~hotmail.com> wrote:

  > : I challenge you to try to eat "grains and legumes" without
  > : cooking them.

  > You can spout them and/or juice them - that seems to work
  > pretty well.

So, if you sprout oats would it still be oats or would it be
just grass?

Sorry, but I cooked my oatmeal. And, eat my whole wheat
ground and cooked. My baked beans are definitely *not* raw
either. :-)

  > Many of the veggies I eat, I remove the fibre - because it
  > hinders digestion.

Fibers hinders digestion?

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

That was worth a good laugh.

In misc.health.alternative Sir John <Sir
John~getstev.com> wrote:
  : "Tim Tyler" <tim~tt1.org> wrote in message
  : news:GztLH9.J2r~bath.ac.uk...
  :> In misc.health.alternative John 'the Man'
  :> <DeMan[75]~hotmail.com> wrote:

  :> : I challenge you to try to eat "grains and legumes"
  :> : without cooking them.

  :> You can spout them and/or juice them - that seems to work
  :> pretty well.

  : So, if you sprout oats would it still be oats or would it be
  : just grass?

Is oatgrass oats or grass? That doesn't really seem to be
worth answering.

  :> Many of the veggies I eat, I remove the fibre - because it
  :> hinders digestion.

  : Fibers hinders digestion?

  : Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

  : That was worth a good laugh.

Fibre is indigestible - it remains bound to nutrients,
reducing their bioavailability, and it bulks food up.

``Because juicing removes fibre, the important nutrients and
phytochemicals found in plants are absorbed more easily by our
bodies - sometimes within minutes - without too much effort on
the part of the digestive system. As well, more of the
nutrients are absorbed; fibre is not present to escort some of
them out of the body.''

- http://www.mary-anns.com/aim/datasheet_redibeets.asp

There are digestive downsides to not getting enough fibre,
of course.
--
__________
|im |yler http://timtyler.org/ tim~tt1.org

Once upon a time, our fellow Tim Tyler rambled on about "Re:
Raw veggies, pro and con?." Our champion De-Medicalizing in
sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

  >Because juicing removes fibre, the important nutrients and
  >phytochemicals found in plants are absorbed more easily by
  >our bodies

Speaking of Fruits, the topic under discussion is the Pros and
Cons of eating "Raw Vegetables."

Juicing improves the bioavailability of the toxins that have
*not* been destroyed by cooking, too.

By the way, FIBER is an important nutrient. As the fiber is
*not* broken down by cooking, raw vegetables contain
significantly more fiber and accordingly less nutrients.
--
John Gohde, Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is the foundation of
the biomedical model of natural health. Weighing in at 17
webpages, Nutrition (www.Food.NaturalHealthPerspective.com/)
is now with more documentation and sharper terminology than
ever before.

John 'the Man' wrote:

  > Once upon a time, our fellow Tim Tyler rambled on about "Re:
  > Raw veggies, pro and con?." Our champion De-Medicalizing in
  > sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
  >
     > >Because juicing removes fibre, the important nutrients and
     > >phytochemicals found in plants are absorbed more easily by
     > >our bodies
  >
  > Speaking of Fruits, the topic under discussion is the Pros
  > and Cons of eating "Raw Vegetables."
  >
  > Juicing improves the bioavailability of the toxins that have
  > *not* been destroyed by cooking, too.

At the risk of sounding really out of place here, perhaps what
is called for is adequate consideration of the specific
properties of individual vegetables. Blind adherence to
general principles does not lead to optimal nutrition.
Biological complexity means that there are numerous exceptions
to almost any general principle you can come up with.
Nutrition is no exception.

JB

  >
  >
  > By the way, FIBER is an important nutrient. As the fiber is
  > *not* broken down by cooking, raw vegetables contain
  > significantly more fiber and accordingly less nutrients.
  > --
  > John Gohde, Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a
  > Science!
  >
  > The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is the foundation of
  > the biomedical model of natural health. Weighing in at 17
  > webpages, Nutrition (www.Food.NaturalHealthPerspective.com/)
  > is now with more documentation and sharper terminology than
  > ever before.

Once upon a time, our fellow J rambled on about "Re: Raw
veggies, pro and con?." Our champion De-Medicalizing in
sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

  >Blind adherence to general principles does not lead to
  >optimal nutrition. Biological complexity means that there are
  >numerous exceptions to almost any general principle you can
  >come up with. Nutrition is no exception.

B/S is B/S, no exception.
--
John Gohde, Achieving good Health is an Art, NOT a Science!
http://NaturalHealthPerspective.com/ The ONLY Frauds in Health
are those who couldn't care less about prevention. Beware of
anybody who brags about eating a lousy diet, being overweight,
or about smoking!

Im not much of a food expert, except for the eating of it.

However, I am under the impression that the only vegetable
which is benefical to be cooked is carrot, as it releases more
goodies into the body.

Can anyone back me up please?



On 25 Jul 2002 06:51:22 -0700, apeikong~hotmail.com
(Applecandy) wrote:

  >I have recently been trying to eat more vegetables in my diet
  >to lose weight and improve my health. Instead of trying for
  >just 5 servings a day of vegetables, I am trying to eat as
  >much vegetable matter as possible, in order to fill up on the
  >fiber and to get the benefit of the vitamins and
  >phytochemicals in vegetables.
  >
  >I have been eating a lot of these vegetables raw, among them
  >green cabbage, red cabbage, carrots, broccoli, and bell
  >peppers. I am not terribly averse to eating cooked
  >vegetables, but it is currently hot here and I prefer to
  >just graze my way through bunches of raw veggies than to go
  >into the kitchen and cook. I was under the impression that
  >raw vegetables are in some ways healthier than cooked
  >ones--I do not subscribe to the extremes of the raw foodists
  >who consume nothing but raw foods, but I do think that raw
  >veggies are healthy.
  >
  >Or maybe I should say that I did think they were healthy.
  >Recently a friend told me that eating raw nightshades such as
  >green peppers will poison me in the long run. I also saw on
  >the Internet that eating raw cruciferous vegetables like
  >cabbage and broccoli--which I consume a lot of--have
  >goiter-causing substances.
  >
  >I am interested in hearing the opinions of the people on this
  >newsgroup as to the pros and cons of eating lots of raw
  >vegetables. I am sure there are opinions on both sides of the
  >issue, and I am interested in hearing both sides in order to
  >make my own informed decision.
  >
  >Applecandy

On Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:56:07 +0100, Eric
<poisonREMOVE~tesco.net> wrote:

  >Im not much of a food expert, except for the eating of it.
  >
  >However, I am under the impression that the only vegetable
  >which is benefical to be cooked is carrot, as it releases
  >more goodies into the body.
  >
  >Can anyone back me up please?

Spuds are a bit "iffy" ifn you don't cook em

jl remove digits to reply

jril3882~digitsbigpond.net.au wrote:
  >
  > On Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:56:07 +0100, Eric
  > <poisonREMOVE~tesco.net> wrote:
  >
     > >Im not much of a food expert, except for the eating of it.
     > >
     > >However, I am under the impression that the only vegetable
     > >which is benefical to be cooked is carrot, as it releases
     > >more goodies into the body.
     > >
     > >Can anyone back me up please?
  >
  > Spuds are a bit "iffy" ifn you don't cook em

I know people who eat raw potatoes. I think they're a bit
weird, but... <shrugs> sue