Active Low-Carber Forums
Atkins diet and low carb discussion provided free for information only, not as medical advice.
Home Plans Tips Recipes Tools Stories Studies Products
Active Low-Carber Forums
A sugar-free zone


Welcome to the Active Low-Carber Forums.
Support for Atkins diet, Protein Power, Neanderthin (Paleo Diet), CAD/CALP, Dr. Bernstein Diabetes Solution and any other healthy low-carb diet or plan, all are welcome in our lowcarb community. Forget starvation and fad diets -- join the healthy eating crowd! You may register by clicking here, it's free!

Go Back   Active Low-Carber Forums > Main Low-Carb Diets Forums & Support > Daily Low-Carb Support > General Low-Carb
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members Calendar Mark Forums Read Search Gallery My P.L.A.N. Survey


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16   ^
Old Wed, Jul-25-18, 12:55
Jools16 Jools16 is offline
 
Plan: Atkin
Stats: 147/131/110 Female 60 inches
BF:
Progress: 43%
Default

Fascinating and illuminating post. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Jools 😎
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #17   ^
Old Thu, Jul-26-18, 04:44
Dazed1's Avatar
Dazed1 Dazed1 is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 247
 
Plan: Keto
Stats: 232.8/203.2/165 Male 5' 9"
BF:
Progress: 44%
Location: Florida
Default

Jey100, thank you for the excellent article. 75-20-5 was very difficult to maintain. Restricting carbs is pretty easy for me but the 75-20 ratio was nearly impossible. I will read more of Ms. Berger's articles. Previously I took a more relaxed approach to Low Carb, I enjoyed it more and lost weight easier. I am getting my head screwed back on, and getting away from all the Keto Snake Oil salesmen.
Reply With Quote
  #18   ^
Old Thu, Jul-26-18, 08:47
jmh6251's Avatar
jmh6251 jmh6251 is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 893
 
Plan: Keto
Stats: 190/155/145 Female 5ft 3.5 in
BF:
Progress: 78%
Location: Kitsap County in Wa
Default

I'm doing keto, it is the only thing that makes sense.
Reply With Quote
  #19   ^
Old Thu, Jul-26-18, 09:07
Susky2's Avatar
Susky2 Susky2 is offline
Registered Member
Posts: 88
 
Plan: Keto-ish
Stats: 339/294/245 Male 76 inches
BF:
Progress: 48%
Location: Central PA
Default

I'm probably drifting between LC and keto. I tend to keep my carb level under 30, and I try to keep healthy fat levels relatively high. That said, I don't track macros and I don't do ketone tests. I just figure that if I eat the right things and keep my carb guesstimates in the right area, I'm probably staying in some amount of ketosis.
Reply With Quote
  #20   ^
Old Thu, Jul-26-18, 16:45
Dazed1's Avatar
Dazed1 Dazed1 is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 247
 
Plan: Keto
Stats: 232.8/203.2/165 Male 5' 9"
BF:
Progress: 44%
Location: Florida
Default

Ironically I looked back to 2009 and 2017 when I had my greatest success and I took a much more casual approach, and just focused on watching carbs. Later in 2017 I started reading too much, often from ads trying to push a product and went on Keto. I can hold carbs below 5% pretty easy, but their prescription for a 75-20 ratio fat to protein is rather difficult to maintain. I can do Keto but I have better success just watching carbs and not worrying about macros.
Reply With Quote
  #21   ^
Old Fri, Jul-27-18, 04:51
Mayflowers's Avatar
Mayflowers Mayflowers is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 538
 
Plan: LCHF
Stats: 205/165/150 Female 5'6"
BF:35
Progress: 73%
Location: Jersey Girl
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmh6251
I'm doing keto, it is the only thing that makes sense.

Diet Doctors website MD's say keto is the healthiest as far as lowering risk factors and maintaining the best heart health and keep away diabetes. One woman there had a brain tumor and cured herself with keto. I read about another guy with the same tumor and is in complete remission with keto.

I'm trying to go as low as I can and keep losing. Last week I checked with the strips and I was in moderate ketosis. I have to figure out now how to maintain that ketosis without dairy that I had to give up.
Reply With Quote
  #22   ^
Old Fri, Jul-27-18, 12:23
Dazed1's Avatar
Dazed1 Dazed1 is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 247
 
Plan: Keto
Stats: 232.8/203.2/165 Male 5' 9"
BF:
Progress: 44%
Location: Florida
Default

My real question is with the 75-20 prescribed ratio. That is what I cannot maintain. Staying below 5% carbs is easy. For those doing Keto are you living by the 75-20 ratio?
Reply With Quote
  #23   ^
Old Fri, Jul-27-18, 13:25
JEY100's Avatar
JEY100 JEY100 is offline
To Good Health!
Posts: 10,320
 
Plan: IF Fung/LC Westman/Primal
Stats: 222/171/169 Female 5' 9"
BF:45%/25.3%/24%
Progress: 96%
Location: NC
Default

I have no idea, because eating by a percentage macro is not the way to "be keto". Is that 20% of 1,000 calories or 4,000 calories?
Keep carbs below 20 Grams calculate a range in Grams of protein you need (Virta keto myth #1 article posted earlier has a easy chart in ounces for height and gender https://blog.virtahealth.com/top-keto-mistakes/) and then eat fat to satiety.

In the beginning of the diet you will likely be sourcing much of the fat from your body stores (your on-board pantry). Because there is no "macro" for that body fat, your protein % will look high and fat % low based on dietary intake. But there are estimates of 20-35% of energy is coming from body fat. Example in myth #4 for Induction phase, the fat % using a tracker would work out to about 26% protein and only 58% fat, but your energy expenditure is 1,000 calories more of fat, more than the % macro indicates.

Last edited by JEY100 : Sat, Jul-28-18 at 02:37.
Reply With Quote
  #24   ^
Old Fri, Jul-27-18, 14:33
teaser's Avatar
teaser teaser is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 12,836
 
Plan: mostly milkfat
Stats: 190/152.4/154 Male 67inches
BF:
Progress: 104%
Location: Ontario
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazed1
My real question is with the 75-20 prescribed ratio. That is what I cannot maintain. Staying below 5% carbs is easy. For those doing Keto are you living by the 75-20 ratio?



I approach the protein sort of like the carbohydrate. So many grams per day to not go over. Right now I've been experimenting with all meat and dairy--only butter and cream for the dairy. That brings my carbs down below ten grams a day, just from cream and eggs. That allows me to increase my protein a little bit, but it's still usually below 80 grams a day.

I have a minimum of fat that I eat with my meals--a couple of ounces of butter to go with the meat or eggs--I need to do this out of self-defense, otherwise I might end up out of protein grams but hungry and end up having to eat straight fat or something. I never eat less than 2000 calories a day, at that level if I hit the 80 grams protein mark it'd be 16 percent protein.

When I first targeted a higher ratio ketogenic diet, I went all in and tried for 90 percent fat, a 4:1 ratio. Not easy to do casually. But once you've designed some meals, it's not too hard, either. So many grams of protein to most meats or in eggs, add so much fat (usually butter for me). Or knowing how much heavy whipping cream you'll need to whip to dip so many ounces of pork rinds in. A lot of soup made with spinach, cheese, butter and heavy cream. It doesn't take long on cronometer to design a meal.
Reply With Quote
  #25   ^
Old Fri, Jul-27-18, 14:35
teaser's Avatar
teaser teaser is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 12,836
 
Plan: mostly milkfat
Stats: 190/152.4/154 Male 67inches
BF:
Progress: 104%
Location: Ontario
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JEY100
I have no idea, because eating by a percentage macro is not [the only] way to "be keto".


Edited so teaser finds it easier to agree with.
Reply With Quote
  #26   ^
Old Fri, Jul-27-18, 16:07
JEY100's Avatar
JEY100 JEY100 is offline
To Good Health!
Posts: 10,320
 
Plan: IF Fung/LC Westman/Primal
Stats: 222/171/169 Female 5' 9"
BF:45%/25.3%/24%
Progress: 96%
Location: NC
Default

Thank you, I agree with that correction.
Dr. Naiman had a list of five ways to be Keto that do not even involve eating fat. No macros here either.

1. Complete Water Fasting
2. Eat high carb, plant-based but at starvation level.
3. Eat only protein, e.g. whey protein and skinless chicken breast
4. Eat one meal a day
5. Eat whatever you want but exercise your brains out all day

Last edited by JEY100 : Sat, Jul-28-18 at 02:43.
Reply With Quote
  #27   ^
Old Fri, Jul-27-18, 18:19
jmh6251's Avatar
jmh6251 jmh6251 is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 893
 
Plan: Keto
Stats: 190/155/145 Female 5ft 3.5 in
BF:
Progress: 78%
Location: Kitsap County in Wa
Default

I have attempted to start a keto thread in countdown and buddies section. If anyone is interested, I think it could be a place for people that eat keto to congregate. Go keto
Reply With Quote
  #28   ^
Old Sat, Jul-28-18, 09:05
ImOnMyWay's Avatar
ImOnMyWay ImOnMyWay is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 3,786
 
Plan: OWL
Stats: 177/148.6/135 Female 5'2"
BF:50.5/39/25
Progress: 68%
Location: Oregon, Los Angeles
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JEY100
A few years ago, Amy Berger wrote one of her epic posts on how to determine if need to follow a medically theuraputic ketogenic diet:

http://www.tuitnutrition.com/2016/1...-diet-rant.html

Good decision on joining the Y, not that it will necessarily raise your metabolism, but because it provides "community support" to encourage healthy exercise for all ages.


Great article. Thanks very much, Jey.

And OP: Butter Bob! Love that vid.
Reply With Quote
  #29   ^
Old Sun, Aug-05-18, 03:41
Dazed1's Avatar
Dazed1 Dazed1 is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 247
 
Plan: Keto
Stats: 232.8/203.2/165 Male 5' 9"
BF:
Progress: 44%
Location: Florida
Default

Have any of you tried Bulletproof Coffee. I make my own with 4 tbs. Heavy Whipping Cream, 1.5 tbs. Butter, 1 tbs Mct Oil, 1 Tbs Cacao, Stevia to taste - blend it for about 40 seconds - chill it and it is like a dessert to me. The top inch is like a chocolate mousse, and the rest tastes like chocolate milk. 500 calories, but 51 grams of fat, and 7 grams of carbs. I am averaging 7 grams of net carbs because of fiber from cabbage, Romaine lettuce and spinach.
Reply With Quote
  #30   ^
Old Sun, Aug-05-18, 03:56
teaser's Avatar
teaser teaser is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 12,836
 
Plan: mostly milkfat
Stats: 190/152.4/154 Male 67inches
BF:
Progress: 104%
Location: Ontario
Default

I've never done it proper--no mct oil. Sometimes I blend some butter into my coffee with an egg beater, though. I don't do it as a sort of morning fat fast, like Dave Asprey, though, I'll just have it as part of a meal I need to up the fat at.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 22:09.


Copyright © 2000-2018 Active Low-Carber Forums @ forum.lowcarber.org
Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.