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Anyone read KETO FOR CANCER???

Yes, that book is now my top recommendation for anyone in treatment because she has solid practical advice for some of the various types of cancer, if need liquid options, extra nutrition, etc. And it is readable! I havenít met Miriam but have corresponded with her...my review of her book is on Amazon. She has a good website, media has a recent TED talk, food list. https://www.dietarytherapies.com/foods/
I have a document on the Ketogenic Diet for Cancer geared to patients in standard of care treatment, hundreds of resources and articles that should be understandable to average person with in interest in nutrition, backed by studies. Happy to share it with anyone, PM me an email address.
For more of the science, but still readable, yet not a biochem textbook like Dr Seyfried's, Tripping over the Truth by Travis Christoferson. It is a good "in between" level book.

Jean, your granddaughter had cutting edge treatments, supported and surrounded by her loving family and school. She looks so healthy and happy...Wishing her the best summer ever.
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Old Tue, Jun-12-18, 07:30
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I have the book and I have read some of it. My granddaughter only recently completed nearly a year's worth of chemo and proton radiation treatment for Ewings sarcoma a kind of childhood bone cancer. I got the book in hopes of being able to influence her parents who were her caregivers but I soon realized that I was not going to be successful in that. Reading the book became too painful for me but Miriam Kalamian is a very credible source of information. So far so good as far as my granddaughter is concerned. There is no longer any sign of cancer in her body. Let's hope it remains that way. Now maybe I can read the book since my anxiety level is not so acute.



Thank you for taking the time to write.

I understand the anxiety and fear regarding cancer. That C word. Breast cancer and ovarian cancer runs rampant in my family. It is a complicated issue. I am hoping I can get my mother to read this book--she has been treated twice for breast cancer already. THAT after melanoma cancer. ALL traditional treatments. She zones out when I talk keto.....she always mentions the smelly breathe, lol. Cant help but think she is confusing halatosis with keto breath. lol

She is a pretty good eater, just needs to make a couple more adjustments as even her current eating did not stop the second bout of breast cancer.

Again, thank you for sharing.
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Old Tue, Jun-12-18, 09:43
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Yes, that book is now my top recommendation for anyone in treatment because she has solid practical advice for some of the various types of cancer, if need liquid options, extra nutrition, etc. And it is readable! I havenít met Miriam but have corresponded with her...my review of her book is on Amazon. She has a good website, media has a recent TED talk, food list. https://www.dietarytherapies.com/foods/
I have a document on the Ketogenic Diet for Cancer geared to patients in standard of care treatment, hundreds of resources and articles that should be understandable to average person with in interest in nutrition, backed by studies. Happy to share it with anyone, PM me an email address.
For more of the science, but still readable, yet not a biochem textbook like Dr Seyfried's, Tripping over the Truth by Travis Christoferson. It is a good "in between" level book.
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Excellent, Janet. Im inprevention mode, or at least to knock it down before Im diagnosed. I do think it is . WIll Pm you.
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Old Sun, Jun-17-18, 11:31
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I am really liking Dr. Michael Ruscio's 2018 book Healthy Gut, Healthy You: The Personalized Plan to Transform Your Health from the Inside Out. His writing style is right up my alley. I bought Jimmy Moore's Keto Clarity and picked up Cholesterol Clarity and found them unreadable - the layout just does not do it for me - so I will never pick them up to read.

Ruscio tells you what he's going to tell you, he tells you, then in a short summary, he tells you what he told you. He prefers human studies; in vivo vs. in vitro. He cites every study after each chapter (instead of at the end of the book). He present both sides of the issue. Even the outliers that goes against the point he's trying to make. Here's the data - here's why I've come to this conclusion / recommendation. He references his web site with URLs and when you go there - it's there.

I'm maybe half-way through and I'm glad I bought my own reference copy.

Just a handful of take always:

Vitamin D:

Wearing a sunscreen with a sun protection factor of 30 reduces vitamin D synthesis in the skin by more than 95%

People with a naturally dark skin tone have natural sun protection and require at least three to five times longer exposure to make the same amount of vitamin D as a person with a white skin tone.

study:

Sunscreens suppress cutaneous vitamin D3 synthesis. 6-1987

where study was referenced - section titled Causes of Vitamin D Deficiency:

Evaluation, Treatment, and Prevention of Vitamin D Deficiency: an Endocrine Society Clinical Practice Guideline 7-2011

His chapter on sleep is very timely, as I just completed my sleep study (Polysomnography) and should get my results early next month.

I've been meaning to look up FODMAP, but his explanation clears everything up. He likes the PALEO diet - so I'm anxious to learn / read more.

He does not like any AS (artificial sweeteners), so I am back to black coffee.

If you are having health issues, then feeding your gut (prebiotics) may not be a good idea as you may have an overflow problem.

I like how I get the rest of the story from him.

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Old Sun, Jun-17-18, 19:44
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I dont make my boys wear sunscreen UNLESS they are going boating. The reflected sun is many more times the exposure of direct sunlight.

My boys go shirtless as often as possible---hoping to prevent ricketts, have strong bones, and hopefully miss the cancer.

My mother used UV treatments for a skin condition per her specialist. Exposure all winter long in a homemade suncabinet, laying out in the sun from early spring into fall...and yet she did not get melanoma cancer or any other skin cancer until her late 70's. I dont think this is a fluke. I truely credited her great diet and living in the clean fresh air of Maine for the prevention. By all accounts and the viiification of sun exposure causing cancer, she should have had skin cancer by her 40's....but didnt. Makes one think......
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You may enjoy The Great Vitamin D Experiment thread. It been been going on a very long time, posts in recent years are many new studies on benefits of Vit D, not members trying the original protocol.
http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=396439
Here's a post from me Dec 2016, http://forum.lowcarber.org/showpost...&postcount=1644 my views on why I had low Vit D before and why eliminating processed seed oils corrected them is very much from the Paleo world.

Does he also mention that the older you are the harder it is for your skin to synthesize Vit D from the sun? That was a bummer, so even though I get a lot of sun, being ancient myself... I still supplement.

Thanks for the recommendation...Dr Ruscio's book was ordered by our library but some of these gut Books are a bit fringy, Iíll try it now. I agree about Moore's writing style, wish Dr Westman hadnít agreed to advise on those books, but many people do like that more "readable" approach, and I do use the "optimal" numbers in the back of the Cholesterol book.

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Old Mon, Jun-18-18, 08:59
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Thanks Janet-- it is a great read. I got confused about taking D2 or D3, suspect us older folks need the D3 if our skin cannot convert D2 to D3.

If I got this wrong, someone tell me Please.
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Old Mon, Jun-18-18, 10:13
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D2 is a different form entirely. We make vitamin D from 7 dehydrocholesterol, it's sort of a precursor for what we usually call "cholesterol" as well. The sun doesn't protect kittens from rickets unless they have a dietary source of 7 dehydrocholesterol, so it's sort of conditionally essential along with vitamin D for them, that always makes me wonder if a dietary source of this cholesterol precursor might help us when we get older--food sources that aren't that high in vitamin D itself might help anyways on that front. I understand mice are an excellent source.
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Old Mon, Jun-18-18, 10:33
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D2 is a different form entirely. We make vitamin D from 7 dehydrocholesterol, it's sort of a precursor for what we usually call "cholesterol" as well. The sun doesn't protect kittens from rickets unless they have a dietary source of 7 dehydrocholesterol, so it's sort of conditionally essential along with vitamin D for them, that always makes me wonder if a dietary source of this cholesterol precursor might help us when we get older--food sources that aren't that high in vitamin D itself might help anyways on that front. I understand mice are an excellent source.


Are you suggesting we eat mice??????


You also did not specify which D to use as a supplement.

( Im taking cod liver oil and it has 200-300 units D. I that D2, D3??)
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Old Mon, Jun-18-18, 10:35
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Does he also mention that the older you are the harder it is for your skin to synthesize Vit D from the sun? That was a bummer, so even though I get a lot of sun, being ancient myself... I still supplement.

Right there with you!!! D3 is always a well-stocked supplement in the house here.
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Old Mon, Jun-18-18, 11:23
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This book just made my list to read.

https://www.amazon.com/Dental-Diet-...g/dp/1401953174
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I got a lot from Dr. James Carlson's book Genocide How your doctor's dietary ignorance will kill you. The title almost kept me from reading it, I'm glad I did. Great reading for just some starting out. I liked his humor, and it was the only book I got my husband to read.
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Old Tue, Jun-19-18, 08:27
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Does he also mention that the older you are the harder it is for your skin to synthesize Vit D from the sun? That was a bummer, so even though I get a lot of sun, being ancient myself... I still supplement.
Sorry I missed your question. I looked and there was no mention - and I'm approaching ancient at a rapid pace! So that's good info. I also tan easily, so with all of my recent cycling I'm darker, so probably not getting as much vitamin D as before(?). I probably should supplement. And I don't ride in a bathing suit (see below).

He did have this which is very interesting (and new to me) - Chapter 11, Environmental Toxins, Sun, Vitamin D, and Nature (starts on page 132):

Recommendations for determining how much sun exposure you should get

An adult wearing a bathing suit and exposed to one minimal erythemal dose (MED) of sunlight produces the equivalent of ingesting between 10,000 and 25,000 IUs of vitamin D (we will say 17,500 average). An MED is the amount of exposure needed to produce a slight pinkness of the skin the day after exposure. If just your arms and legs are exposed to an MED, you produce 6,000 IUs.
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Are you suggesting we eat mice??????


You also did not specify which D to use as a supplement.

( Im taking cod liver oil and it has 200-300 units D. I that D2, D3??)




Use D3. On the mice--it's an interesting question. Food data bases just give us cholesterol content of food--I wonder if 7-dehydrocholesterol is high in those foods that are a bit higher in cholesterol, like eggs, shrimp, liver etc. I don't know if mice specifically are higher in 7-dehydrocholesterol than other animals, just that the paper mentioned that the natural diet of cats of mice etc. would be rich enough in this nutrient to provide enough precursor to prevent rickets.
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