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Old Sun, Aug-05-18, 07:59
Meetow Kim Meetow Kim is offline
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Plan: Atkins Concept
Stats: 225/190/175 Male 70.5"
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Interesting, Blue Ruby,

So it seems a lot of what I am doing, except the heavy drinking of course!...is good to fight fatty liver.

I've had fatty liver since I was a teenager, long before I became an alcoholic, so when I'm told I have it now, I barely concern myself with it.

I've been taking milk thistle for some years now after seeing a doctor on TV news talk about how he saw remarkable results in liver repair with patients, including sclerotic alcoholics.

Since making some of Buttoni's recipes that require whey protein, I have since also been making protein shakes with it, I should maybe consume a little more. Also, I keep forgetting to drink my green tea every day. I remember, do it for a while, then drop off again.

With the Atkins approach, fiber is a big component and many of the products, especially for baking, use the super high fiber flours and meals, so, good news that's part of my diet as well...and makes for a well functioning "constitution"!

Several standards of these low carb diets eliminates the most likely cause of non-alcoholic fatty liver, like weight loss and elimination of refined carbs and sugars.

So, other than my drinking too much, I'm doing the right thing!
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Old Sun, Aug-05-18, 09:44
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thud123 thud123 is offline
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Plan: ~25NC/IF
Stats: 342.2/196/000 Male 182cm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Meetow Kim
...So, other than my drinking too much, I'm doing the right thing!

Please don't take this the wrong way but I cracked up when I read this. Not sure if your serious or not about the statement but I was reminded of another funny quip that is similar in it's tenor..

"...other that that Mrs. Lincoln, How was the play?"

I wish you well. I understand that you enjoy drinking and want to continue. I did too and was able to continue for a long, long, long time. You are doing the right thing by minimizing the things you can that cause harm, there by saving more liver to deal with alcohol.

This coming from one who gets to read this every 6 months or so from looking at an ultrasound or MRI. Not meant to scare, just for your illumination and my "coming out" so to speak...

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FINDINGS:

Comparison study: Abdominal MRI 6/2/2017

Liver: Cirrhotic configuration to the liver and particularly selective
T2 hyperintensity throughout the parenchyma consistent with cirrhosis.
No hepatic steatosis.

Lesion 1: There is a 9 mm subcapsular lesion in hepatic segment 7
which is isointense on arterial phase and portal venous phase images
and hypoenhancing relative to background parenchyma on 3 minute phase
images (series 13 image 24). The lesion is T1 and T2 isointense,
demonstrates no restricted diffusion signal, and is not associated
with a pseudocapsule. There is apparent intralesional iron which
favors benignity. Previously the mass measured 9 mm on 6/2/2017, and 7
mm on 2/21/2017. No evidence of venous invasion. OPTN/LIRADS class 3.

No new liver lesions. No suspicious arterial enhancement.
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Old Wed, Sep-05-18, 00:48
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Plan: PSMF/IF
Stats: 236/181/180 Male 72 inches
BF:disappearing!
Progress: 98%
Location: Alamo city, Texas
Thumbs down Your next drink could kill you?

Studies, especially data mined statistical ones we see almost daily involving diet are mostly a lot of rubbish. This commentary is about the recent headline "No amount of alcohol is safe!" from "The lancet", the most political 'public health' journal, sounds to me like the scary "Red meat causes cancer" run, don't walk away from the table

http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/

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Old Wed, Sep-05-18, 06:23
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Not sure if it's the alcohol or not but Chuck kinda looks like I used to look, until I got even bigger to over 370lbs. I don't think any amount of alcohol has a physical benefit to health but I do think that - if used in moderation - it has a psychological and social effect that my benefit health in other ways not related to metabolism.

Drink Up if you can! Eat sugar if you can! I'm your champion for freedom of choice! Experiment. Be informed.

From Chuck Cowdery's blog mentioned above. I see my old belly and butt on him (before I got to 370). Alcohol related? who knows and it's none of my business really, but I'm a hypocrite at heart


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Old Wed, Sep-05-18, 14:13
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We make some alcohol via bacteria in our guts, and acetic acid from alcohols broken down by the liver is a necessary nutrient and percursor to Acetyl-CoA.
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The treatment for auto-brewery syndrome is a change in diet requiring low carbohydrates and high protein. Sugar is fermented into alcohol, and a diet that effectively lowers sugars also lowers the alcohol that can be fermented from it. Anything that causes an imbalance between the beneficial and harmful bacteria in the gut can help increase the chance that fermentation in the gut will develop. This can include not only antibiotics, but also overindulgence in sugars and carbohydrates. Watching what you eat could lower the risk of gut fermentation syndrome, and taking probiotics could further protect you by increasing the number of good bacteria in your system. ADH enzyme catalyzes the oxidation of ethanol to acetaldehyde:

CH3CH2OH + NAD+ → CH3CHO + NADH + H+

This allows the consumption of alcoholic beverages, but its evolutionary purpose is probably the breakdown of alcohols naturally contained in foods or produced by bacteria in the digestive tract.--Wiki
So if you're going to drink on low-carb, then clear liquors like Vodka are the safest in moderation of course. All Vodka starts out as NGS or medical grade alcohol. A commodity made/traded mainly in the Midwest where there is an abundance of grains like corn, rye, potatoes and wheat.
Distillers then try to further purify it to get out any remaining entraining agents like benzine or heptane. They usually filter it thru carbon like we do our hard Texas water in a Britta type filter. Care taken here determines the quality -- but not necessarily the price.

A lot of the "My vodka is better than your vodka" hype is just marketing, like Goose (you pay for the bottle) or Tito's (good, but no longer handmade) and hyping up the number of distillations used to 10 when 2-3 is plenty.

AnestasiA Vodka™ is likely the best out there and ZYR among the worst IMO, but new craft distilleries open almost daily

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Old Wed, Sep-05-18, 14:52
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Plan: Ketogenic (LCHFKD)
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Amazing how readily we all pay for perception depending on the product . . .
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Old Wed, Sep-05-18, 16:26
chicachyna chicachyna is offline
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Plan: my own LC
Stats: 179/152/150 Female 66.5 inches
BF:28/28/24
Progress: 93%
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Meetow, I haven't read this entire thread so forgive me if I am repeating a suggestion. When blood tests indicated I was getting a fatty liver I was told to try vitamin E. My liver tests are now normal. Whether it is because of the vit E or other dietary changes, I don't know.
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