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Old Fri, Aug-11-17, 11:13
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Although, if the customer appears to be vegan, there's a more serious concentration on leafy greens, not nearly as much in the way of starchy carbs.


You are mistaken. The vegan diet is loaded with sugar. Our local health food store is lots of vegan items, and they are extremely high carb in any case.
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Old Fri, Aug-11-17, 12:23
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I think we need to be very careful with these kinds of generalizations. I used to have severe gastrointestinal issues and I pretty much gave up eating vegetables because they irritated my gut. I attributed the problem with vegetables to fiber and I think that was correct at the time. When I finally figured out all my food sensitivities and gave my gut time to heal I was able to add vegetables back into my diet without any problem. Now i eat lots of leafy greens. There are lots of folks touting the benefits of soluble fiber to support a healthy microbiome, differentiating soluble from insoluble fiber which does not have that benefit. I don't have any grand conclusion here other than things are almost always more complicated than they might at first appear.

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Old Fri, Aug-11-17, 12:46
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Now i eat lots of leafy greens.


I do too - they comprise most of my vegetables, but they contain very little fiber. Maybe that's why I like them so much - too much fiber causes problems for me. And besides - they taste great.

Leafy greens - whether raw as a salad or cooked in butter - are, to me, a vehicle for good fats.
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Old Fri, Aug-11-17, 14:23
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I too had to heal my gut.
For over 10 months I survived on homemade chicken soup with chicken only. A few months later I did use celery after removing all of the fiber strings then chopped very fine along with some onion and then cooked it down almost in a predigested form.
The next vegetable that I added back months later was well cooked broccoli florets with all woody stems removed. Later I could have very young and tender green beans but I had to toss them if they had any fibrous strings at all.
I waited a full year before eating any raw salads.
It was my gut guiding me because there really is no info in dealing with this. All I could ever find on-line said to eat more fiber which would have killed me...
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Old Fri, Aug-11-17, 15:52
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I too had to heal my gut.
For over 10 months I survived on homemade chicken soup with chicken only. A few months later I did use celery after removing all of the fiber strings then chopped very fine along with some onion and then cooked it down almost in a predigested form.
The next vegetable that I added back months later was well cooked broccoli florets with all woody stems removed. Later I could have very young and tender green beans but I had to toss them if they had any fibrous strings at all.
I waited a full year before eating any raw salads.
It was my gut guiding me because there really is no info in dealing with this. All I could ever find on-line said to eat more fiber which would have killed me...


For me raw salads took about 3 years of total salad abstinence but I was probably just being overly cautious. Several doctors told me that I needed to have more fiber. They would tell me this even after I told them that fiber just made everything worse. This was a large part of the reason I stopped consulting doctors along with all the bad advice about obesity, diabetes, cholesterol, high blood pressure and the like. Dr Google has definitely been my friend. When things were at their worst digestion wise I lived on ground lamb for weeks.

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Old Fri, Aug-11-17, 19:20
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You are mistaken. The vegan diet is loaded with sugar. Our local health food store is lots of vegan items, and they are extremely high carb in any case.



As I tried to make sure everyone understood, what I said up there is just an observation of what I happen to see in the store where I work. As far as saying that I don't see customers who appear to be vegan buying as many starchy foods, I meant that in relation to the amount of starchy foods the general customer buys.

So I'm not saying that the ones who appear to be eating a vegan diet are not eating loads of sugary stuff - I'm saying that when I see people who mostly buy leafy greens and other fresh veggies and fruits (almost all produce in their usual order), they're not buying so much starchy stuff - very little bread, noodles and such, for some reason I have yet to figure out. We have a fairly large natural foods section in our store, and even our own brand of natural and/or organic items scattered throughout the rest of the store, but the ones who are exclusively buying produce at our store aren't necessarily buying any of our natural and organic products either.

For all I know, maybe the ones loading up on produce are gluten free, and just happen to have enough sense to know that the plethora of gluten free junk food we sell is still junk, no better for them than other junk food.

That also doesn't mean I can say with any kind of certainty that the ones who load up on produce at our store (but not much else) aren't buying loads of sugary or starchy stuff at the mom & pop natural food store across the parking lot from our store - I'm only observing that they just aren't buying it in our store.

Maybe they just buy all their produce at our store, because they think our produce is really good. (I don't think it's that great, but then I grew up on a farm -I know what really fresh produce is like, and our store's simply isn't.)

Basically what it amounts to is that my observation on all this is about as effective as any individual person's observation - not at all scientific in any way, just an observation, and what I see may or may not be the whole story.
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Old Fri, Aug-11-17, 20:45
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I'm the same way Jean, I don't trust any of them. I think doctors telling us to eat high fiber is just as crazy as saying we should eat low fat and diabetics need their carbs to be healthy.
I think that the husks on food weren't meant to be eaten by humans. Corn husks on the kernels, husks on rice, husks on beans, husks on wheat, husks on oats etc...there is a reason humans began milling these foods.
Cows have several stomachs and regurgitate several times and re-chew it over and over, we only chew it a few times and down it goes..

Calianna, thanks for posting that article, it's the best explanation I've read yet!
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Old Fri, Aug-25-17, 17:54
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This isn't scientific at all. My great grandfather, grandmother and father all died of colon cancer. We were told its genetic, we're Scottish and the highest rates were in Australia, New Zealand, basically white folks.
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Old Fri, Aug-25-17, 23:59
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Did they all eat a high carb diet?
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Did they all eat a high carb diet?


If addressed to me, no. My dad never ate fast food or sweets ever. He was 5'11" and weighed 155 lbs. My grandmother got cancer at the age of 100. I have no idea what the great grandfathers diet was.
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Old Sun, Aug-27-17, 06:32
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My hypothesis is that people cooking less and less from scratch at home is contributing to the increase in cancer and autoimmune diseases. Around 1900 90% of our meals were home cooked. Now only 50% of our meals are cooked at home (see link below). The only way for me to ensure good ingredients is to cook from scratch. If you look up the ingredients for junk food, it is frightening. It sounds more like chemical experiment than real food. That can't be healthy.

https://www.theatlantic.com/busines...on-food/273811/
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Old Sun, Aug-27-17, 10:07
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This isn't scientific at all. My great grandfather, grandmother and father all died of colon cancer. We were told its genetic, we're Scottish and the highest rates were in Australia, New Zealand, basically white folks.


I'm sorry to hear that colon cancer has affected so many in your family. Most likely there is a genetic component involved in almost any kind of cancer.

It's always been my understanding that the research and studies about cancer prevention are being done not only to determine what any genetic components there might be, but also what other factors might be involved. You can't control your genetics, but you might be able to limit other factors, once their effect is discovered.

We've been speculating and theorizing here, but it's only speculation and theory.
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Old Mon, Aug-28-17, 16:09
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Vitamin D deficiency? A link has already been shown.

I'm just sayin'


It's a good point. Somalian refugees in Minnesota have a high rate of autism; something they don't even have a word for in their language. They normally live near the equator.

All kinds of things happen without vitamin d; all bad.
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