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Old Thu, Jun-15-17, 04:44
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Default High Cholesterol "does not cause heart disease"

New study in BMJ. Article in the Telegraph.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...research-finds/

Title: High cholesterol 'does not cause heart disease' new research finds, so treating with statins a 'waste of time'

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Henry Bodkin 13 JUNE 2016

Cholesterol does not cause heart disease in the elderly and trying to reduce it with drugs like statins is a waste of time, an international group of experts has claimed.

A review of research involving nearly 70,000 people found there was no link between what has traditionally been considered “bad” cholesterol and the premature deaths of over 60-year-olds from cardiovascular disease.

Published in the BMJ Open journal, the new study found that 92 percent of people with a high cholesterol level lived longer.

Lowering cholesterol with medications is a total waste of time Professor Sherif Sultan, University of Ireland

The authors have called for a re-evaluation of the guidelines for the prevention of cardiovascular disease and atherosclerosis, a hardening and narrowing of the arteries, because “the benefits from statin treatment have been exaggerated”. The results have prompted immediate scepticism from other academics, however, who questioned the paper’s balance.

High cholesterol is commonly caused by an unhealthy diet, and eating high levels of saturated fat in particular, as well as smoking. It is carried in the blood attached to proteins called lipoproteins and has been traditionally linked to cardiovascular diseases such as coronary heart disease, stroke, peripheral arterial disease and aortic disease.

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Old Thu, Jun-15-17, 06:04
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In a thread a few years back, we looked at U.K. guidelines for statin prescription, one of the risk factors that was supposed to be treatable by statins was just being of a certain age.

Statins in one hand, cigarettes in the other isn't all that uncommon a sight around here.
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Old Thu, Jun-15-17, 09:14
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There's a new interview with Dr. Zoe Harcombe in the Member section of Diet Doctor on the subject of fats, and their effect on heart disease (presumably via cholesterol).

Happily, my doctor has stopped talking about my cholesterol. In fact, on the recent report of his review of my blood tests, he didn't even write down the numbers. I know them, because I looked them up independently on the lab report. Yup. Still strange and still high. Looks like I'm going to live forever.
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I have it on good authority that the world is not flat despite what people may believe.

Jean
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I haven't read the article yet, so does anyone know how old they mean by "elderly?" I know my husband is in that category (which is why his doctor agreed that he shouldn't bother with statins), but am I at 64 considered elderly? I doubt if my doctor will bring it up again, but the nutritionist (who is otherwise pretty good) brings it up the cholesterol thing every visit.
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Old Thu, Jun-15-17, 15:41
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I have it on good authority that the world is not flat despite what people may believe.
As noted the other day on the internet: There's definite proof that the world is NOT flat. If it were flat, cats would have knocked everything off of it by now.

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am I at 64 considered elderly?
Officially, I don't know. If you were 65 and Medicare qualified, probably yes. Your doc probably has a checklist of stuff that MUST BE recommended, according to insurance or gov't requirements. However, you are not required to say yes, to statins or anything else. Just make sure you get all that on the record, for the doc's sake as well as your own.

"Patient refused treatment" may be a risk you have to take.
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The Telegraph article is poorly written and misrepresents the study in some ways. For example, the 92% number refers to the percentage of total participants who were in the studies that showed an inverse relation to LDL-C and mortality, not the percentage of people that lived longer.

The study summary is here. http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/6/6/e010401
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The age the article cites is over 60.
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Officially, I don't know. If you were 65 and Medicare qualified, probably yes. Your doc probably has a checklist of stuff that MUST BE recommended, according to insurance or gov't requirements. However, you are not required to say yes, to statins or anything else. Just make sure you get all that on the record, for the doc's sake as well as your own.

"Patient refused treatment" may be a risk you have to take.


Yeah - I already said no. But I think you're right about the checklist. She never mentions it in person, only on the lab results that she sends me.

Don't know about the nutritionist - she does bring it up, but she's not pushy.
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As noted the other day on the internet: There's definite proof that the world is NOT flat. If it were flat, cats would have knocked everything off of it by now.


Too true

"Experts" never do a press release about "oh, we were so so wrong. Sorry about that." No, it gets incrementally walked back over years until they are all, "What? No, we never said that! And it wasn't me!"
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