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Old Sun, Apr-23-17, 00:08
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Default Anyone feel disdain for obese people who eat high carb?

I don't really believe in looking down on people or judging people. For instance I don't think we should spend any time looking down at people who smoke or do other unhealthy habits. But like smoking and other things that are just bad for your body there is a certain part of me that feels some disdain for obese people who know about ketogenic diets and disregard them and just eat as if carbs aren't negatively effecting their body.

I've introduced my sister and mom to the ketogenic diet and they did it for a few weeks or so and my mom got off her blood pressure pills my sister lost like 10 pounds or so. But eventually they just went back to eating completely terrible again, and it kind of sickens me that they are doing this to their body. They just have no regard for their health. It's one thing to have a health problem you can't do anything about its another when you know what to do about it and don't do it.

I have to constantly turn down offers from them to go to dairy queen or other places that would ruin my way of eating. They just don't get this is my new life and its not changing for anybody. And I can't stand the fact that they don't care enough about their body to follow it as well. My mom is back on her blood pressure pills and eating without a care, my sister is back to her original weight and was recently told by a doctor she has the back of a 50 year old and shes only 32. Diabetes, high blood pressure, is just inevitable for her, its amazing she doesn't have it yet. And I can't even say I feel sorry for them anymore.

These are grown adults that just refuse to grow up when it comes to food. If your body can tolerate carbs them I'm all for it but if you can't tolerate carbs why are you eating fast food every day? It just makes no sense to me. Theres still so many obese people out there who say things like, its my genetics, or I've always been big, these things may be true but you can do something about it. So do it. Now if a person is obese and just doesn't know what to do to lose weight thats different, but to know what to do and ignore it and let your health deteriorate is madness to me. My sister keeps telling me she is doing the best she can. I definitely don't believe that. But all I can do is just watch the disaster unfold.
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Old Sun, Apr-23-17, 00:33
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It's one thing to have a health problem you can't do anything about its another when you know what to do about it and don't do it.
It IS frustrating to watch, isn't it? Thing is, we can't MAKE people "get it" - everyone has to figure it out for her/himself. Some will, some won't. It's not easy, that's for sure.

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I have to constantly turn down offers from them to go to dairy queen or other places that would ruin my way of eating.
Yup. Temptation is EVERYWHERE! Good for you for being STRONG!!! It's so easy to cave, and SO SO SO MUCH better to be smart and strong and keep sugar and grains OUT of your life!

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They just don't get this is my new life and its not changing for anybody. And I can't stand the fact that they don't care enough about their body to follow it as well. My mom is back on her blood pressure pills and eating without a care, my sister is back to her original weight and was recently told by a doctor she has the back of a 50 year old and shes only 32. Diabetes, high blood pressure, is just inevitable for her, its amazing she doesn't have it yet. And I can't even say I feel sorry for them anymore.
So sorry this is their reality. The great news is, YOU have made a healthy choice, AND you have shared a veritable Fountain of Health with them! Now, it's up to them if they choose to drink from it, or deny their own reality.

Anyone can deny reality.

I did.

I lost 25 pounds by living HFLC.

Then, lost my way, and gained almost all of it back. So, I am "one of those" confusing "Senior Members" who look like they have been doing this for YEARS and have lost almost NOTHING! But, of course, that's not the full story.

[I restarted 22 days ago, and THIS time, I will get down and STAY down! ]

Anyway. I admire your conviction and your resistance to their temptations. They say misery loves company, and so do carbaholics! They won't stop trying to rope you in to their way of eating (sugar, fast food...) because they WANT you there with them. As long as you do something different, it forces them to look at what they are eating/doing to themselves.

Keep fighting the good fight, ImALLLike! You CAN DO IT!

You ARE doing it!

Cheers,
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Old Sun, Apr-23-17, 05:48
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In the past six years, I have explained LC to hundreds of people and the only one successfully living it is a woman who had to take care of her diabetic Mom for years. When she got her own diagnosis...that finally made her take her health seriously. So many others have multiple health issues and take meds rather than do anything about their eating. For some, eating and drinking IS their social life. It is hard not to snap when they get excited about the newest micro-brewery, giant portion eatery or buffet. With family, it is much harder to ignore their self-destruction, because you may see yourself tending to diabetic wound care or a stroke patient in the future. But agree with Jams...You Do You. Keep up the great work, know that you will continue to value your health for your lifetime.

Interesting new post by the LC RN. When she was a nurse in training, T2 was called non-insulin dependent diabetes. What a twisted road since then. The suggestion is to call T2 a Lifestyle Disease, make it clear there is a choice. The article covers more about genetic tendency but to think this all happened in our lifetime is scary.

https://lowcarbrn.wordpress.com/201...ring-the-lines/

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I think there needs to be a reclassification of diabetes Types as well, but with emphasis on cause. If we identify diabetes Types by cause, the focus on treatment will be clear.

Type 1 diabetes should be classified as “autoimmune” diabetes (not reversible, yet), insulin needed.

Type 2 diabetes should be classified as a “lifestyle” diabetes (preventable AND reversible). In fact, the esteemed Dr. Robert Lustig, world renowned Pediatric Endocrinologist and obesity specialist, recently quipped that Type 2 should be called a “processed food disease.” If we classify Type 2 in this way, it would put the focus on using lifestyle to treat and reverse Type 2 diabetes. The majority of lifestyle management would be directed toward diet, with the other factors being things such as exercise, proper sleep, stress control and balancing hormones.

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Old Sun, Apr-23-17, 06:08
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Disdain is hardly the feeling I get. When you're eating certain types of food in response to a powerful addiction while conforming to the recommendation to "eat a balanced diet" and "everything in moderation," I have nothing but empathy in these situations.
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Old Sun, Apr-23-17, 06:10
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I think 'disdain' is a sad word to use.
I feel sorry for them because frankly, there but for the grace of some deity (you choose) go I.
And I haven't always been LCHF. I just happen to have been lucky on 2 counts: I received the message, and I got the message.

It's unfair to consider such people 'unworthy' (that's the root etymological meaning of disdain - to deign people unworthy of attention or respect). Every human being who walks with us, has some good qualities; It's just a question of tapping into them and easing them out.

But I used to eat carbs. heckarooney, I loved them! If anyone had told me 10 years ago I'd want to cut them out of my life completely, I would have laughed in their faces.

Yet here I am: an Italian who doesn't eat pasta. A baker who won't touch bread. A Sushi-lover who shuns glutinous rice. A vegetable grower who has no room for potatoes or root veg.

But all these things, I have previously done with Molto gusto.

Do not cultivate disdain, for thereby you create separatism and hierarchy.

Don't judge.
Let the results speak for themselves.

I am not beyond using no-nonsense terminology. But only when challenged, and then, I 'tell-it-like-it-is'.

It can go like this:

So, what do you do?
It's what I DON'T do. And I DON'T eat any form of added carbs.
But you need carbs, right?
Nope. never have, don't now, and never will again.
I don't believe it.
Well, why ask me, then? If you don't want to take my word for it, please yourself, but at least back up your statement with research. I can give you links, if you want to read...
It's just a fad...
It's only a fad if it's temporary. I aim to make this permanent. And all it's done so far is keep me healthy and make me lose weight.
Well, I eat carbs...
How's that working for you?
I feel ok...
Well good for you! so do I! So, you do your thing, I'll do mine, and we'll compare notes further down the line, ok? Have another doughnut. Feel free...
Well, I can't have too many...
Why not?
Well, too much sugar/fat, is bad for you...
But you just said you feel ok...
Yeah, but I don't want to overdo it..
Let me let you into a secret. Even one doughnut is, strictly speaking, 'overdoing it'.
A little of what you fancy does you good...
Yeah. Carry on believing that. All this 'moderation' crap. Good luck with that.
Cutting carbs is what's good for me. Oh and, by the way, my H has dropped a stone, two trouser sizes and is off his diabetic meds completely. Just thought I'd mention that in passing.... *wink*
Wow! That IS good!
Yes. But according to your thought process, he should still be eating carbs. Which is what started him off on a diabetic downturn to begin with...

And at that point, they suddenly get more interested.... or walk away.
Because there's no answer to that....

So walk gently - but firmly - among those 'set in their ways.
They'll either get it, or they won't.
If they do, help.
If they don't, accept.
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Old Sun, Apr-23-17, 06:33
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I try to generate compassion for people who are eating themselves into sickness.. There is so much going against eating a healthy lchf diet. Those in authority (think government and medical profession) encourage low fat eating, the environment is full of high carb enticements, and sugar and high carb foods are addictive. It's hard to go against the grain. So I try to generate compassion for those who remain stuck in their high carb world and gratitude that I was able to discover a healthier way to eat and live.

On my walk yesterday I watched a very fat woman struggle out of her car yesterday and walk slowly and painfully towards her house. Who would choose to live that way if they knew there was a way out, felt that they were capable of putting it into practice and received support from their environment? It's very sad.

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Old Sun, Apr-23-17, 09:57
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Demi just posted this good article in Research, but adding it here to give context to your family insisting you join them in America's drug of choice, sugar: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...4b0ee31ab953475 A few good comments you could use as a response to them.
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Old Sun, Apr-23-17, 10:03
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Thanks, Demi and Janet. It's good that the HP is publishing this. Now, what would be even better is for them and other media sources to recognize the many forms of processed carbohydrates that may be considered healthy simply because they have no added sugars, but are just as damaging because they readily convert to glucose. One step at a time . . . .
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Old Sun, Apr-23-17, 10:59
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There seems to be a real aversion to changing the diet, even if the diet you're going to change to is one you've enjoyed in the past. Once I'm on it, if anything I enjoy a fattier, more protein-controlled version of low carb more than a less ketogenic low carb diet, but there's still this inertia about the switch. Increased palatability, increased energy, increased ability to function around people, not as big a dietary switch as from a high carb diet to Atkins, but still there's that reluctance.
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Old Sun, Apr-23-17, 12:33
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I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but this was 'news' in 2013... and well-known to our own Britsh Medical Council even before then... and Mercola was asking the question as far back as 2007...

Seems the news has been slow getting off the ground....
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Old Sun, Apr-23-17, 12:44
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Thanks, Demi and Janet. It's good that the HP is publishing this. Now, what would be even better is for them and other media sources to recognize the many forms of processed carbohydrates that may be considered healthy simply because they have no added sugars, but are just as damaging because they readily convert to glucose. One step at a time . . . .


I completely agree with you...
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Old Mon, Apr-24-17, 10:29
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Disdain is hardly the feeling I get. When you're eating certain types of food in response to a powerful addiction while conforming to the recommendation to "eat a balanced diet" and "everything in moderation," I have nothing but empathy in these situations.


Ditto. I'm a compulsive overeater (which is why I'm in OA) as well as a t2 diabetic who still struggles with low carb. But - I can go to restaurants that have "bad" food & not be overwhelmed with the desire to eat. At a pot luck recently, a friend had a plate of desserts & tried to hide it from me so I wouldn't be tempted. I told him I wasn't that delicate.

But it is hard to eat differently from 99% of the people you know. Every once in a while I'll rant at OA meetings that I would love to be normal & be able to eat anything. I was in denial for so long after being diagnosed as diabetic, I don't blame those who can't change their diets. I know how hard it is. And maybe - down the road a bit - they will have the strength to do it.

For myself, not eating grains & sugar hasn't been difficult. The hard part for me is overeating things that are promoted on lc sites as being good for low carbers - cheese, meat, and nuts.
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Old Mon, Apr-24-17, 18:35
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Oh no noooooooo. My sister just said she was going to get 2 junior bacon cheeseburgers 2 five piece nuggets fries and chocolate frosteeeeeeeeeee and I want some I feel like such a hypocrite
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"Anyone feel disdain for obese people who eat high carb?"

No, I just see someone making a choice; conscious or unconscious. What someone puts in their mouth is none of my business. I wouldn't appreciate someone telling me eating low carb is detrimental to my health. How could they possibly know that to be true? Eat donuts, eat cake, eat rice and beans, 3 martini's - you'll get no argument or judgment from me. At least that's what I tell myself
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Oh no noooooooo. My sister just said she was going to get 2 junior bacon cheeseburgers 2 five piece nuggets fries and chocolate frosteeeeeeeeeee and I want some I feel like such a hypocrite

Of course you do, that's the addiction, the sickness, the addict who needs the next fix, the next cigarette, the next drink, the next high carb whatever. This does not make you a hypocrite,you are human. Just think where that food has taken you, and what you have achieved and how you feel without it....
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