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Old Sat, Jan-28-17, 01:18
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From BBC News
London, UK
27 January, 2017

Free soda: France bans unlimited sugary drink refills

Restaurants and other spaces catering to the public in France have been banned from offering unlimited sugary drinks in an effort to reduce obesity.

It is now illegal to sell unlimited soft drinks at a fixed price or offer them unlimited for free.

The number of overweight or obese people in France is below the EU average but is on the rise.

The World Health Organization (WHO) recommends taxing sugary drinks, linking them to obesity and diabetes.

Self-service "soda fountains" have long been a feature of family restaurants and cafes in some countries like the UK, where a soft drinks tax will be introduced next year.

The new law [in French ] targets soft drinks, including sports drinks containing added sugar or sweeteners.

All public eateries, from fast-food joints to school canteens, are affected.

The aim of the law is to "limit, especially among the young, the risks of obesity, overweight and diabetes" in line with WHO recommendations.

A recent Eurostat survey of adult obesity put the French at 15.3%, which is just below the EU average of 15.9%. France was slimmer than the UK (20.1%) but fatter than Italy (10.7%).

Past the age of 30, nearly 57% of French men are overweight or obese, according to a report published in October by the French medical journal Bulletin Epidemiologique Hebdomadaire.

Some 41% of women in the same age category are also overweight or obese, the study found.

Soft drink controls that fizzed or went flat

◾A 10% tax introduced in Mexico - where cola is so popular it's used to cook meat - reduced consumption by 6% in the first year
◾Before the all-you-can-drink ban, France already had a soft drinks tax, and vending machines are barred from schools
◾A plan to ban "super sized" sugary drinks in New York, was blocked by a court in 2013


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38767941
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Old Sat, Jan-28-17, 03:30
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"It is now illegal to sell unlimited soft drinks at a fixed price or offer them unlimited for free."

Upside down one of these
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Old Sat, Jan-28-17, 06:00
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It's a start. The fact that it is so small a start proves, to me, that SUGAR IS A DRUG.
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Old Sat, Jan-28-17, 15:28
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So, does anybody know what the new French law SAYS (English translation please.) I mean, I could imagine a restaurant selling sodas for a fixed price with up to let's say SIX refills and thereby getting around the law because SIX is a limited number. Even the thirstiest person usually can't wrap themselves around six refills at a time.

People can be amazingly creative about getting around laws they don't like.

Worse, laws often have unintended consequences and, when governments start banning activities that people see as, at worst, harming only the individual who willingly chooses to participate in the activity, even otherwise law-abiding citizens start breaking the law.

Plus, there is the extreme chance that criminals will start cashing in on the opportunity to supply people with the proscribed item. Witness what happened in the U.S. during prohibition. At least the French appear not to have decided to ban sugary drinks outright. Still, I'm not sure this is a good move.

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Old Sat, Jan-28-17, 15:46
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The only restaurant s in France who sell unlimited drinks are fast food restaurants ( McDonald's and company).. I have never eaten in a normal. French restaurant where free refills of anything had been offered. So no big deal for the French
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Old Sat, Jan-28-17, 16:37
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I think once we start down this slippery slope of allowing government control over otherwise free decisions we make as an individual is a very bad idea. As Bev said "unintended consequences." Just my two cents.
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Interestingly, it seems to apply to artificially sweetened drinks too. Here's what the new regulation says:

French Official Gazette No. 0022 of January 26, 2017
Text # 38

Decree of 18 January 2017 on the prohibition of the provision of unlimited drinks, free or for a fixed price, with added sugars or artificial sweeteners

NOR: AFSP1631228A
ELI: https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/eli/...631228A/jo/text

Concerned public: the professionals of catering and social and catering, the professionals of the hotel and holiday clubs as well as the managers of all other places of catering open to the public, the establishments intended for the reception, Training and housing of minors, the public attending these establishments and places of catering, especially minors.
Subject: definition of the list of categories of beverages with the addition of sugars or sweeteners, the provision of which, in free access, in the form of free will or for a fixed price, is prohibited in all catering establishments Schools and institutions for the reception, training and housing of minors in order to limit, in particular among young people, the risks of obesity, overweight and diabetes in line with the recommendations of the 'World Health Organization.
Entry into force: this Order comes into force on the day following its publication.
Notice: the article L. 3232-9 of the Public Health Code provides for the provision, free access in the form of free will to offer or for a flat fee, drinks with added sugars or Synthetic sweeteners is prohibited in all places of catering open to the public, schools and establishments intended for the reception, training and housing of minors.
A list of the categories of beverages referred to in the first subparagraph shall be laid down by an Order of the Ministers responsible for Health, Agriculture and Consumer Affairs. This list includes, for example, the following beverages: carbonated and non-carbonated flavored drinks, concentrates Fruit syrups, water-based beverages, milk, cereals, vegetables or fruit, including sports drinks or energy drinks, fruit nectars, vegetable nectars and similar products, provided that These beverages contain added sugars or synthetic sweeteners.
References: the order is made for the application of Article 16 of Law No. 2016-41 of 26 January 2016 to modernize our health system creating an Article L. 3232-9 in the code of public health . The provisions of the Public Health Code may be consulted on the website Légifrance (http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr).


The Minister of Economy and Finance, the Minister of Social Affairs and Health, the Minister of Agriculture, Agri-Food and Forestry, spokesman for the Government, and the Secretary of State for Trade , crafts, consumption and social economy,
Having regard to Regulation (EC) No 1925/2006 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 20 December 2006 on the addition of vitamins, minerals and Certain other substances to foodstuffs;
Having regard to Regulation (EC) No 1333/2008 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 16 December 2008 on food additives;
Having regard to Directive 2012/12 / EU of the European Parliament and of the Council of 19 April 2012 amending Council Directive 2001/112 / EC on fruit juices and certain similar products intended for human consumption;
Given the code of public health , particularly Article L. 3232-9;
Given the Decree No. 2003-586 of 30 June 2003 taken for the application of Article L. 214-1 of the Consumer Code regarding certain sugars intended for human consumption;
Given the Decree No. 2003-838 of 1 September 2003 taken for the application of Article L. 214-1 of the Consumer Code with regard to fruit juices and certain similar products intended for human consumption,
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In places and conditions established in article L. 3232-9 of the code of public health , is prohibited the provision, free access, as will offer free or for a fixed price, the mentioned nectars 14-1-3 and the flavored drinks referred to in 14-1-4 of Part D of Annex II to Regulation (EC) No 1333/2008 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 16 December 2008 on food additives As long as they contain added sugars or synthetic sweeteners.

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This Order shall come into force on the day following its publication.

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The Director-General for Health, the Director-General for Food and the Director-General for Competition, Consumer Affairs and Fraud Prevention shall be responsible for the application of this Will be published in the Official Journal of the French Republic.


Dated this 18th day of January, 2017.

The Minister of Social Affairs and Health,

For the Minister and by delegation:

The Director General of Health,

B. Vallet

The Minister of Economy and Finance,

For the Minister and by delegation:

The Director General for Competition, Consumption and Fraud Control,

N. Homobono

The minister of agriculture, food and forestry, spokesman of the Government,

For the Minister and by delegation:

The Director General of Food,

P. Dehaumont

Secretary of State for Trade, Crafts, consumption and social economy,

to the Secretary of State and by delegation:

The Director General of competition, consumption and repression fraud,

N. Homobono
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Old Sun, Jan-29-17, 15:12
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I think businesses should stop selling things. We should all be asked to go Paleo and hunt down our own food.

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Old Sun, Jan-29-17, 16:41
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I still believe people should have the right to be stupid should they so choose.
This is a loud law with no punch.
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Old Sun, Jan-29-17, 18:42
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Originally Posted by bevangel
Even the thirstiest person usually can't wrap themselves around six refills at a time.


I suspect that it's one of those laws made so the government can say: See? We really are doing something!

Except that's it's not much of anything. I get free coffee refills when I eat out & there really is a limit to how much one can drink. And a surprising number of people don't finish their soft drinks. I see half-full bottles discarded all around town. When we were having work done on the house, the workers often left behind unfinished sugary energy drinks when they left for the night.
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Old Sun, Jan-29-17, 19:48
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I think once we start down this slippery slope of allowing government control over otherwise free decisions we make as an individual is a very bad idea. As Bev said "unintended consequences." Just my two cents.

Agreed. 👍 Less is more when it comes to the government interfering with our freedom to make dumb choices.
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Old Sun, Jan-29-17, 20:24
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Originally Posted by Tx_Chris
I think once we start down this slippery slope of allowing government control over otherwise free decisions we make as an individual is a very bad idea. As Bev said "unintended consequences." Just my two cents.



Word. Preach it.

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Old Mon, Jan-30-17, 08:06
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We should all be asked to go Paleo and hunt down our own food.
Hard enough to do even in an American grocery store.
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