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Old Tue, Dec-20-16, 23:44
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Red yeast rice IS a statin. All the same chemicals.
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Old Wed, Dec-21-16, 06:36
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Red yeast rice IS a statin. All the same chemicals.


Thank you Nancy. I got so worked up I forgot to mention that!

Niacin (with a B complex chaser) is an excellent anti-inflammatory without the danger of statin side effects, or NSAIDS.

After all, the latest research indicates statins work, when they work, not by lowering the cholesterol; it's the inflammation. Why not target the source?
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Old Wed, Dec-21-16, 07:04
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Exactly my thinking, to target inflammation, the source.

I've been using a list of foods that cause inflammation and now I think I'm going to stop using my cast iron skillet and possibly will limit my intake of liver due to the iron since I just read that excess iron increases inflammation.

I also consume vegetables which I believe helps reduce inflammation.
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Old Wed, Dec-21-16, 10:48
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My thought is get a scan immediately if you have a history of high LDL cholesterol that went even higher on low carb and stayed high after time on LC.

I am talking from experience and not just what I've read online or in books, and I have read plenty.

I was on the "never take statins" at one time too.


3 years ago no one could convince me to take statins.

2 years ago no one could convince me to take statins.

1 year ago no one could convince me to take statins.

3 months ago no one could convince me to take statins. I refused even though my LDL nearly doubled on low carb. I got it down some by stopping coconut oil and decreasing other saturated fats.

I didn't get a scan, I didn't take statins.


2 months ago I had a heart attack. Now I have two stents and take all kinds of medication. If I had it to do over I would have taken my high cholesterol more seriously. I had been low carb 2 1/2 years. I was at goal for 9 months. I felt GREAT. I am active, I exercise.

My risk factors: being a woman past menopause, age 62, with high LDL. No known heart disease. Family history of high cholesterol. That's it.


I know statins aren't for everyone and are over prescribed, but some people need to take them. Even women.
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Old Thu, Dec-22-16, 08:35
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Delaney, I am glad you survived your heart attack and hopefully without heart damage. You have to do what you feel is best for you and make no excuses to anyone.

I have heart disease and had open heart surgery in 2008. My doctor ordered a stress test at age 50 as a baseline, due to family history, therefore my heart disease was diagnosed without suffering a heart attack. I take a statin by choice, knowing the possible side effects, but also knowing the other benefits of statins besides cholesterol control. Each person must do their research and make their own decision.
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Old Thu, Dec-22-16, 08:51
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It's true: we are simply discussing all sides of the issue here. To that end, I will disclose my own experience, which is years of medical science dismissing my symptoms, attributing my illness issues to depression or something like it, and the specialist who, within five minutes of meeting me, was writing prescriptions for Prozac, Ambien, and Lipitor.

All of which have side effects which would have made my health far worse. All of which I refused; and that was the right decision for me.

So, I have to craft my own approach. Which, at this point, we all do.
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Old Thu, Dec-22-16, 09:35
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Here is a blogpost by Franziska Spritzler, a Low Carb dietician who found her LDL went up dramatically when following a ketogenic diet. The link above is to her results after she modified her diet, and you can follow her links back to the beginning of the problem.

I don't recall if she also took statins but she was able to allay her own fears and her doctor's by modifying what she ate. If I recall correctly, Ken (khrussva) followed her ideas and had similar good results (Ken, please correct me if I'm wrong).

Statins may be good - maybe even life savers - for some people, but they are also way overprescribed. It is up to each person to determine if the benefits outweigh the risks for their own situation.

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Old Thu, Dec-22-16, 10:20
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Just FYI, there is a newly identified type of heart attack in women. Doesn't really have anything to do with cholesterol as far as they know now.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...g-women-n698456
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Old Thu, Dec-22-16, 10:32
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Our family has a history of very high ldl, my 92 lb mom would go to over 400 without statins. And she had to have both corotoids cleared. So that being said, I tried red rice yeast, stopped the statins, and told my doc what I was doing. He said we will go 6 months and let the numbers talk. In 6 months I was at 260 I do have high hdl and low trigs, but take the statins, as I have no side affects from them. It isn't worth the risk, but that is just mho
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Old Thu, Dec-22-16, 10:51
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My heart attack was caused by clogged arteries. Ladies, we don't always have typical symptoms. I had no pain before, during or after. My only symptom was extreme nausea. I thought I caught a virus from the grandkids. Never occurred to me I was having a heart attack. Luckily it didn't cause any further damage. I have the same stamina as I had before.

I am going to cardio rehab for 12 weeks, 3 times a week. They monitor my heart and blood pressure while I exercise.

Now I take statins, but I also take CoQ10. I take blood thinners and other heart meds. I bruise easily.

I agree, each of us has to do research and decide for ourselves what's best. Now I realize that statins are sometimes necessary.
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Old Fri, Dec-23-16, 11:20
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Our family has a history of very high ldl, my 92 lb mom would go to over 400 without statins. And she had to have both corotoids cleared. So that being said, I tried red rice yeast, stopped the statins, and told my doc what I was doing. He said we will go 6 months and let the numbers talk. In 6 months I was at 260 I do have high hdl and low trigs, but take the statins, as I have no side affects from them. It isn't worth the risk, but that is just mho

IMHO I'd argue that statins would be a better choice because statins, including RYR, can cause liver damage and other problems. At least if you're on prescription statins they're regularly checking your liver. On RYR you're rolling the dice. Liver failure can kill you too.

I just saw someone on TV whose husband now has a cryotic liver because he was taking statins and wasn't getting his liver enzymes checked regularly. They're in a panic because they may lose their health care if the ACA act goes away.

Anyway, the point is that RYR also can cause liver damage. So... be careful.
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Old Sun, Dec-25-16, 07:32
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