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Old Tue, Nov-29-16, 09:13
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Any time I try to go too long without eating it seems to trigger the worst binging behavior.
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Old Tue, Nov-29-16, 09:49
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Any time I try to go too long without eating it seems to trigger the worst binging behavior.


That's why I'm afraid to skip more than 1 meal. In the past, getting too hungry meant eating too much in reaction. Eating twice a day is working for me, so I'm not going to mess with it.
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Old Tue, Nov-29-16, 10:43
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That's why I'm afraid to skip more than 1 meal. In the past, getting too hungry meant eating too much in reaction. Eating twice a day is working for me, so I'm not going to mess with it.


That's what's working for me too Bonnie, twice a day eating, 12-16 hour daily fasting.

Jean
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Old Tue, Nov-29-16, 12:48
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Yeah, that's perfectly reasonable, IMHO.
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Old Tue, Nov-29-16, 12:50
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So, Jimmy Moore has apparently fully boarded the Fung-train. I truly fear for him.
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Old Tue, Nov-29-16, 13:58
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So, Jimmy Moore has apparently fully boarded the Fung-train. I truly fear for him.

I fear for the copycat folks who'll try to do what he's doing without appropriate monitoring
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Old Thu, Dec-01-16, 05:21
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So, Jimmy Moore has apparently fully boarded the Fung-train. I truly fear for him.


To my knowledge, Jimmy has never discussed the psychological implications of overeating, though his epic meals, even when low carbing, ring a bell for me about emotional eating.

However, knowing what I know about men in Southern culture, he's not going to go there voluntarily.
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Old Tue, Dec-13-16, 08:40
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That's what's working for me too Bonnie, twice a day eating, 12-16 hour daily fasting.

Jean


I agree with this also, I have started doing this and it seems to be working for me. If I get hungry I have my hot plain green tea. I still eat LCHF and I feel great, I feel light on my feet, and if I feel hungry or odd I eat.
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Old Thu, Jan-05-17, 15:16
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Okay, I admit to being a Fung fangirl. I even just bought a copy of his new book, "The Complete Guide to Fasting". It lists Jimmy Moore as a co-author which had made me a bit hesitant about buying it. However, except for a several-page intro, where Jimmy speaks briefly about his experiences and missteps with fasting, he seems to have nothing whatsoever to do with the book, the rest is all Fung. Nothing to do with Jimmy at all. How did he get the co-author credit?

Yes, I think Fung's attitude is a tad cavalier in regard to longer-term fasting. But he also does not want people to do this on your own. For self-help he recommends three options:
1) 24-hour fasts (dinner one day to dinner the next) so that you never go a day without any food.
2) 36-hour fasts (dinner on day one to breakfast on day three, with day two being fasting)
3) 42-hour fasts (similar but dinner on day one to lunch on day three, with day two being fasting)

These protocols are all very similar to diets recommended by many others - the 5:2 diet, the Fast diet, the JUDDD diet, also suggested by Michael Eades. And even on the fast days you don't completely fast - you are allowed some coconut oil and/or cream in your coffee or tea. You are encouraged to drink bone broth throughout the day (what a pity I *loathe* bone broth). So in reality you probably have several hundred calories on your fasting day.

As Fung explains it (and which resonates with me) he found it easier to tell his patients to eat *nothing* than to try to get them to limit themselves, etc.

Take the JUDDD diet for example. On the "down day" you are supposed to have 500 calories - not all that far from a Fung fasting day. But it's darn difficult - as I learned - to try to plan, prepare, measure and eat 3 teeny-tiny meals of about 150-200 calories each. Take about feeling deprivational. I agree with Fung here, I'd rather eat nothing than fiddle with those teeny meals.

His book does contain a 7-14 day fast description for severe diabetes or obesity, but he stresses it should never be undertaken without close *local* medical supervision, probably blood testing, and never to exceed 14 days for fear of re-feeding syndrome. However, while I might be considered to have "severe" symptoms I would never want to undertake such a fast. I truly feel the IF type fasting is probably better in the long run.

I've been bummed and rotten feeling ever since breaking my wrist 6 months ago and have gained nearly 20 pounds, so I'm actually trying to get back into the swing of Fung for the new year. I'm trying 24-hour fasts right now, did my first on Tuesday, and have one hour to go for my second today. I'm actually feeling better today than I have felt in six months.

The most "successful" diet I ever did was back in the mid-80's, where over the course of a year I went from 330 down to 180, and from a Plus size 3X down to a Misses size 14. I did sort of an IF plan then. I counted calories strictly and really varied them - 1900 one day, then 900, then 1400, then 2000, etc. I don't think I ever went below 900 or over 2000, but in those pre-google days I just thought it was a good way to keep my body guessing, never knowing for sure what it might be getting from day to day. And it did work.

However this was the 80s, and Jane Brody was my Goddess, so it was all VERY low fat, and I hated just about every bite, and was miserable just about every single day. I had food porn dreams, . I told myself I would adjust, but at the end of the year. as size 14, I was more unhappy and miserable than I had been as a 3X. One day I said to myself "If this is how I have to live to be thinner I'd rather weigh 300 pounds!" And of course eventually I did.

So this time I'm trying to work on the IF again, but at least I can have super-yummy food now on the eating days! Almost my LC food I don't love.

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Old Fri, Jan-06-17, 03:18
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Thanks for review, good to know that Dr Fung was the main author.

Fasting has become so mainstream so fast it is crazy.
Forbes! Is fasting the cure for bloated health care costs?
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcom...r=#5cc80c128b22

All day New Years on PBS were specials to improve yourself, only one I hadn't seen was Dr KellyAnn's Bone Broth Diet. She natters on (has an irritating personality to me) and finally in the last few minutes lets the audience in on her "weight loss secret". Two days a week you only have Bone Broth...two 36 hour fasts! no grains, no sugar and two fasts a week...gee, how unique, I wasted two hours for that?

But not to worry about not liking bone broth, Maria Emmerich's new Keto book also includes IF on a 6:18 plan. And she suggests water only fasts, because the glycine in bone broth can stimulate insulin? She is not a fan of bone broth for fasting at all. I just got the book from the library and won't have time to delve into it more this week, but was intrigued by her comment.
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Old Fri, Jan-06-17, 03:46
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Just a reminder to all that that this forum only supports intermittent fasting, ie, fasts of no more than 18 to 24 hours duration as per admin Doreen's post here:
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To all on this Dr Jason Fung discussion, please read this important post from moderator Doreen from the IF thread: http://forum.lowcarber.org/showpost...3&postcount=178.

That link no longer works, as the thread has been removed. Here is my post:

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Concerns have been raised over the increased use of extended water-only fasts and other forms of severely restricted nourishment for prolonged periods of time. This is in contrast to the various published IF (Intermittent Fasting) protocols which advocate short-duration "fasts" of 18 to 24 hours, with optimal nutrition on non-fasting days in between.

Short-duration IF has been shown to be safe for weight loss in overweight and obese adults. However, even the expert authors of these IF programs recommend prolonged fasting ONLY under medical supervision. Here at Active Low-Carber, we are in full agreement with this position.

Please note that Forum Rule #2 states:
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... It is beyond the scope of our support community to prescribe a diet plan for you, so we encourage you to consult your doctor and read one or more of the published program books. Once you've decided which plan is right for you, we are here to help you along the way. Please note, we only discuss published plans, not proprietary, clinic-only type of plans as these require personal and/or professional supervision, and we cannot give medical advice or service..
Thus .. seeking support, encouragement and/or promotion of prolonged fasting is consdered beyond the scope of this forum and such discussion is not appropriate here. We understand that some members may indeed be under medical supervision for such a regimen; if they want to document their experience it should be confined to the relative privacy of their journal.


Thanks for understanding,

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Old Fri, Jan-06-17, 04:12
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Sorry, the Roll Eyes was because I do not support that plan either. Do understand, thank you for the reminder, Rosebud.
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Old Fri, Jan-06-17, 08:00
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I'm in Fung's corner here. He can be abrasive and sometimes arrogant in delivering the message. Yet, his approach works and has helped so many. I put Dr. Sarah Hallberg in that same value category. We need more physicians adopting the Fung, Westman, Hallberg approach to medicine.

Thanks for the book review, Debbie. We all react to fasting in different ways, so while it's fine to experiment with IF, and many should seek to determine whether this adds value to a WOE, it's hardly the same experience for everyone. Having a plan before beginning IF is recommended.
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Old Fri, Jan-06-17, 08:48
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Another Fungfan here. I now do 23/1 every day. Never felt better.
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Old Mon, Aug-21-17, 16:33
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My naturopathic doctor said one shouldn't fast more than 3 days as the body starts to consume itself. I also can't fast because I asked Dr. Fung about fasting if I was hypoglycemic and he said absolutely not!
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