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Old Wed, Mar-02-16, 13:05
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Default Dr. Jason Fung. The Obesity Code

This thread is the continuation of another started July 2014 discussing new information about insulin resistance and the fasting protocols of Dr. Jason Fung of Intensive Dietary Management. That thread has 21 months of individual experimentation and examining his blog posts and videos that helped many find a healthy fasting and eating plan suited to their lifestyle.

But now Dr. Fung has published his first book, The Obesity Code: Unlocking the Secrets of Weight Loss. It is a brilliant distillation of his thoughts on insulin resistance, how that has contributed to the obesity epidemic and what you can do to overcome your insulin resistance, reverse diabetes, and lose weight. It is very well written, simple to understand, with many supporting studies. Much easier and quicker than reading back through every post on his website, or the previous 176 page thread.

** Find previous thread here: http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthre...63&page=1&pp=15


For anyone already fasting, please add your thoughts about the book and the plan to this thread from now on, maybe how you have incorporated it in your life. For anyone new, below is my overview of some basics. Others please add their favorite Fung video, blog post or insight here.


Dr. Jason Fung is a Toronto-based kidney specialist. His website is the Intensive Dietary Management program, his plan primarily to “cure diabetes naturally”. http://intensivedietarymanagement.com/blog/

The website has hours of two lecture series about Obesity and Diabetes that have information which was eye-opening, especially to the idea of fasting. Recently, he has been working with Dr. Andreas Eenfeldt, of DietDoctor, who has added an 8 part Fasting video course, his top lectures, and a very extensive FAQ section on the membership site (free first month). His presentations there are more polished, and in a top-quality production. http://www.dietdoctor.com/member/presentations/fung-2
The Two Big Lies about T2 Diabetes is one of my favorite talks on both DietDoctor and his website.

“What to Eat”: April 2014, he published his “Dietary Index” of the foods to eat. https://intensivedietarymanagement....-index-idm-2-2/ Since then, and in the book, he seems somewhat more LCHF, but his food plan in broad brush is:

“There are Five basic steps in weight loss:
1. Reduce your consumption of added sugars.
2. Reduce your consumption of refined grains.
3. Moderate your protein intake.
4. Increase your consumption of natural fats.
5. Increase your consumption of fiber and vinegar.”

“When to Eat”: His new contribution to the Low Carb conversation is the timing of meals for weight loss, i.e. fasting. He has sample meal plans for both the 24 and 36 hour fasting protocols in his book, followed by FAQs. There is also a history of fasting and practical fasting advice; the crux of the matter or his protocol is saved for the final 35 pages. Highly recommend anyone buy the book for this part, but the fasting guidelines were previously on his website, and are saved here: https://web.archive.org/web/2014090...ient-resources/


His book is at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Obesity-Code-...t/dp/1771641258
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Old Wed, Mar-02-16, 13:16
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So the new thread is just for book discussions?
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Old Wed, Mar-02-16, 13:29
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No,not onlythe book. It's should also continue anything about fasting that was included in the the old thread, which is way over post limit. A place to discuss anything Fungi. your experiences fasting, what timing works for you, whatever.

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Old Wed, Mar-02-16, 13:43
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Since my health dip early in February, and the subsequent medications, which included steroids, I haven't been doing my usual skipping of dinner.

But I did catch a podcast with Dr. Fung that was most interesting; I liked hearing him talk about his theories and what has happened in his practice with these severely ill patients.
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Old Wed, Mar-02-16, 14:42
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Janet,
Thank you for starting this thread and for your excellent synopsis to start the thread. I have the book, but other than a quick glance through to see if I could pin him down on amounts of protein, I haven't been reading it due to lots of other obligations. I'm on vacation next week, so I plan on reading it then.
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Old Wed, Mar-02-16, 16:29
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Janet, thanks for creating the new board. I've been looking forward to this discussion. I just finished the book and now I'm going to read it over again and underline some things I want to remember.

Interestingly, my mother was reading it one day and got to the part about mothers, insulin and offspring and volunteered that she was thin while pregnant with my sister, slightly fatter with my brother and quite fatter 5 years later with me. Our adult sizes match accordingly.

She also volunteered that she thought it was repetitive in the first part. I said it's because he's trying to make a case that's very much against the grain of "conventional wisdom". It's really astonishing how firmly implanted and pervasive the whole calories in, calories out, fat phobia and even frequency in eating ideas are, while absolutely not scientifically based. Will he be an unheard voice in the wilderness or will people take notice?

As Debbie said on the older board, I too, appreciated Dr. Fung's very clear discussion on proximate and ultimate reasons for obesity. In general, I like his big picture view of the problem as I don't find myself thinking, "but, whattaya 'bout ..." as I read, as everything fits. To my view anyway and I'd be interested in hearing any dissent.

I've been wondering about how the book will be received. What do you all think?

I suspect people looking for a conventional diet book will be disappointed in this one since he doesn't expound much on "what to eat". I hope they come away with the same appreciation I have for the importance of "when to eat", however, as I think that is the big idea that he explains very well in terms of insulin. As a low carber, based on the advice of "eat when you're hungry", I ate too often and while I always lost weight, my insulin resistance has probably been increasing for decades making it harder to lose and easier to regain every time.

I started some fasting last year when Dr. Fung's blog was first being discussed and have continued off and on all year, sometimes only 1 or 2 days a month but frequently more. I've been on and off the reservation all year too, but interestingly and unusually for me, I ended the year with a net loss of 15 lbs. Most recently my foray into CarbLand didn't result in as much weight gain as I expected (based on past experience) and I wonder if I can attribute that to some intense fasting in December.

I still have stress symptoms when I fast, which is why I haven't attempted anything more than 24 hrs lately, and I have more thoughts on that if anyone, especially newbies, might be interested. I only mention it because most everyone else generally paints a completely rosy picture.
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Old Wed, Mar-02-16, 17:10
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...I still have stress symptoms when I fast, which is why I haven't attempted anything more than 24 hrs lately, and I have more thoughts on that if anyone, especially newbies, might be interested. I only mention it because most everyone else generally paints a completely rosy picture.

Do you wish to share those symptoms and thoughts here? I'm interested and listening!
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Old Thu, Mar-03-16, 06:02
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Thanks so much for this new thread Janet. I don't know how you do all you do. You must live on this site.

Life has been busy enough lately that I'm still reading the book. Yes there is some repetition, but good repetition, with slightly different slants.

My ex has a doctorate in Technical Education, and used to be a course writer and developer for self-study online computer courses. He said the basic mantra followed in those courses could be distilled into three steps:
1) First tell them what you are going to tell them.
2) Then tell them.
3) Then tell them what you told them.

Lots of repetition made a lot of difference in retention. Dr. Fung has a lot of stuff to tell that flies against the face of "conventional wisdom" so repeating a few times in slightly different ways makes good sense as a way to drive his points home.
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Old Thu, Mar-03-16, 07:43
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Thanks so much for this new thread Janet. I don't know how you do all you do. You must live on this site.

Life has been busy enough lately that I'm still reading the book. Yes there is some repetition, but good repetition, with slightly different slants.

My ex has a doctorate in Technical Education, and used to be a course writer and developer for self-study online computer courses. He said the basic mantra followed in those courses could be distilled into three steps:
1) First tell them what you are going to tell them.
2) Then tell them.
3) Then tell them what you told them.

Lots of repetition made a lot of difference in retention. Dr. Fung has a lot of stuff to tell that flies against the face of "conventional wisdom" so repeating a few times in slightly different ways makes good sense as a way to drive his points home.


I think repetition is a good thing when it comes to something that appears to be self-evident like calories in calories out. I have had to go over and over that in my mind and read Taubes "Why We Get Fat" a few times and I still have to go over it in my head to make sure I have it straight. I haven't read Fung's book yet but I ordered it and it should arrive any day.

Jean
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Default For those who aren't reading the book:

For those who aren't reading the book: https://intensivedietarymanagement....ion-fasting-24/
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For those who aren't reading the book: https://intensivedietarymanagement....ion-fasting-24/

Oooh, new! thanks Glenda!
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Old Thu, Mar-03-16, 09:03
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Thank you for posting this Janet. I passed on to my godchild who has had brain surgery for seizures (she had a lesion on the brain). I noticed the article mentions seizures. She already eats super healthy but the intermittent fasting as a means to control seizures ... wow! Dr. Fung is amazing. He was interviewed on my local CBC radio channel this morning
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Old Thu, Mar-03-16, 09:03
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Glenda posted the link above. Good blog entry on Fasting and Brain Function. Very significant benefits described. Here's another link of an excellent TED talk by Mark Mattson some may have already viewed that complements the IDM blog post:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UkZAwKoCP8
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Old Thu, Mar-03-16, 10:43
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Thanks for posting the new thread, Janet.

Over the past year, I've found my self naturally trending toward IF, because I no longer eat three meals a day and snacks.

It's breakfast and dinner, with a possible snack somewhere in the middle. And, since breakfast and dinner are 10 to 12 hours apart, there is a good 12 hours of fasting, daily.

With the snacking that used to happen, I was lucky to get 8 hours of a fast in a day.

I've not done formal fasting. But my BGs are extremely normal, when they are tested, and I don't currently feel the need.
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Glenda posted the link above

Thanks Glenda too !!
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