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Old Thu, Apr-07-16, 12:41
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The Lore of Running was my favorite running book back when I was training a lot. I like Noakes and I hope he wins. He's very smart to fight it.
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Old Wed, Apr-13-16, 05:49
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Detailed review of the Evidence presented by Dr. Noakes:

http://foodmed.net/2016/04/13/noake...e-lchf-banting/

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ONE of many revelations coming out of the so-called ‘Nutrition Trial of the Century’ against Cape Town University emeritus professor Dr Tim Noakes is the real benefit for hearts of low-carb, high-fat (LCHF) diets on hearts. It’s not what many orthodox medical doctors and dietitians will tell you. Here, Noakes, a world-renowned scientist with an A1 rating in sports science as well as nutrition, says conventional ‘wisdom’ that says fat in the diet equals fat in your arteries is wrong. It is the ‘direct cause of an epidemic of arterial disease that will consume most of our medical resources within the next 10-20 years’. In Part 1, Noakes takes special aim at the evidence a surprise witness would have given when the Health Professions Council of SA tried to call him to clinch its failing case against him at the February session of the hearing: Prof Jacques Roussouw, former head of the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) Women’s Health Institute. All Roussouw and the NIH would tell me is they couldn’t give him permission in time to attend. In Part 2 tomorrow, Noakes looks at why science got it so wrong for so long. – Marika Sboros
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Old Thu, Apr-14-16, 05:03
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Part two is up now:

It's the Fatty Liver Disease, Stupid

http://foodmed.net/2016/04/14/noake...d-lchf-banting/

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DOCTORS often terrify patients out of their wits for no good reason, says University of Cape Town emeritus professor Dr Tim Noakes. Not because doctors are bad people. They just aren’t all that jacked up on sciencce, and how to tell relative from absolute risk, says Noakes, a world-renowned scientist. Many doctors don’t know that they don’t know vital information about heart disease: that for many patients it’s not their tickers but their livers that are the problem. In other words, ‘it’s the fatty liver disease, stupid’, says Noakes. Harsh? Yes. True? Well, take a look at the science he presents below and make up your own mind. In Part 1, Noakes looked at evidence to show that advice doctors give to patients about low-fat foods protecting them from heart disease is all wrong. Here he looks at why insulin resistance is not spoken about in polite medical circles, and what the most abused term in medicine really is.


This is a brilliant summary of his trial data...all the studies are being posted on the website, with links in these two sections.
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Old Thu, Apr-14-16, 05:24
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This is a brilliant summary of his trial data...all the studies are being posted on the website, with links in these two sections.


Janet,
Have you located any reports that explain the current status of the trial? It resumed in February but presumably has been adjourned again? For how long? What are the next steps? When will it end?
I have searched extensively but cannot find any answers.
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Old Thu, Apr-14-16, 05:58
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We all wonder when it will end! But believe it or not, it was adjourned yet again and will resume on October 17th.

A detailed summary of the trial https://www.biznews.com/low-carb-he...e-banting-lchf/
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Old Thu, Apr-14-16, 10:37
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We all wonder when it will end! But believe it or not, it was adjourned yet again and will resume on October 17th.

A detailed summary of the trial https://www.biznews.com/low-carb-he...e-banting-lchf/


Another really excellent article on the subject. Somehow you must have a better search engine than me to find all this.
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Old Fri, Apr-15-16, 03:47
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I use Duck, Duck, Go so all my crazy health related searches aren't tracked ... Google decided I had every major disease known to mankind and fed ads for every new drug. Sometimes use !G on DDG to use google without be tracked and its works well (DDG is built in Macs and I clear out history and cookies weekly).

But as with the library it helps to already know what you are looking for M. Sboros was the reporter who covered the trial, so search was Tim Noakes trial resumes + Sboros. It is not so much the engine, but specific keywords and using BooLean Connectors +, -, "", and other qualifiers. The + is helpful when using the Advanced Search box on this forum to narrow down the result to a year or user.
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Old Fri, Apr-15-16, 04:43
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... Google decided I had every major disease known to mankind and fed ads for every new drug.


Thanks for the explanation. That's very funny about Google. Also shows how screwed up their algorithms are. If they really wanted to sell low carbers anything they should be sending us adverts for eggs and butter and cream and anything else with plenty of saturated fat and cholesterol.
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Old Mon, Apr-18-16, 05:46
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You are so good at it, Janice, thanks for tips!

I think a trial might be a dramatic way to turn things around. What a movie it would make!
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Old Tue, May-17-16, 11:28
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As Dr Noakes promised, The Noakes Foundation is beginning to post all his testimony, slides and evidence for his statements. This is only the first of many days of trial ( and not over yet! ) but if you have the time....
http://www.thenoakesfoundation.org/...art-1?news=blog
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Old Sun, May-29-16, 09:53
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Adblock plus seems to work well.

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Old Sat, Sep-17-16, 03:12
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Just an update...

I know it is hard to believe this trial is still open, and will not resume until next month, but news is trickling out on the experts being flown in ... Dr Zoe Harcombe and Nina Teicholz.

http://foodmed.net/2016/09/16/tim-n...combe-teicholz/
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Old Sat, Sep-17-16, 08:02
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I know it is hard to believe this trial is still open, and will not resume until next month, but news is trickling out on the experts being flown in ... Dr Zoe Harcombe and Nina Teicholz.
Well that sounds promising.
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Old Tue, Oct-11-16, 04:37
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Three women diet experts now...dubbed "Tim's Angels". An update on the trial, restarting Oct 17th, with concerns how the prosecution might try to block testimony from this dream team of Dr Harcombe, Nina Teicholz and Dr Caryn Zinn.

http://foodmed.net/2016/10/10/noake...ms-angels-lchf/
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Old Wed, Oct-12-16, 13:03
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It's amazing that the 'trial' is still going on.
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