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Old Tue, Jan-26-16, 02:17
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I'm a healthy 47-yo male (190lbs 5' 11") looking to increase lean muscle mass and decrease body fat (want to go from about 19% down to 15% body fat). I've been eating high protein (180g) 7 days a week. On days I do high intensity resistance training, I eat higher carbs in the 24 hours following (maybe in the 150-200g range) the rest of the time I keep my carbs in the 75-100g range. I've found the carb cycling gives me uneven energy and mood. I'm thinking of going full-time ketogenic, but realistically from a overall lifestyle change, I'm not confident I'll be happy on that type of diet the rest of my life.

I was then considering a TKG Targeted Ketogenic where you eat 25g high glycemic carbs right before workout and right after to give energy for the workout and spike insulin for maximum muscle hypertrophy response and then that fuel gets used up and you quickly return to ketosis in a few hours and continue to stay there.

What about a semi low carb diet where you are in the range of 75-100g daily? I don't have diabetes, am not obese, and I exercise regularly and am in decent health. I know ketogenisis is amazing in making your body primarily run on fat, but again, the diet lifestyle change is a bit of a downer due to the strict restrictions in carb intake (I like a Burritto once in awhile!).

Is being in say the 75-100g carb range daily just going to end up making me low energy and cranky all the time due to low glucose and low liver glycogen when my body isn't in ketosis?

But I know I'll want a burrito or a sandwich once a week. Ocassionally eatting those types of things are going to prevent me from staying in ketosis.

So is a borderline low carb (75-100g) worthwhile, has benefits, little side effects, or is it a no-mans land where the body is confused what you are doing and better to up carbs more into the 100-150g range which still would be considered moderately low carb right?

I suppose what I'm trying to do is still have a varied diet that includes a moderate amount of carbs, but try to keep my insulin levels consistently low and sensitivity high for when I give myself a bit of a boost right before and after a workout to maximize muscle hypertrophy but with only the minimum amount of carbs to minimize fat gain.

What about a little more prolonged TKD. < 40g carbs daily except on training days, add 25g pre workout and add 25g post workout and maybe another 25g 4 hours later for about total 100g on workout days then back to under 40g (workout days are three times a week, 2 resistance, 1 cardio) WIll I yo yo too much and get cranky coming off the 100g carb days going back into ketosis?

Reommendations?
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Old Tue, Jan-26-16, 05:04
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Hello! There is a book you can read, and also a site.. that may answer many of your questions:

http://www.artandscienceoflowcarb.c...te-performance/

I hope that helps you.. I know many bodybuilders and athletes that are keto... and they've told me that book has helped them immensely.
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Old Tue, Jan-26-16, 09:28
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I suppose what I'm trying to do is still have a varied diet that includes a moderate amount of carbs, but try to keep my insulin levels consistently low and sensitivity high for when I give myself a bit of a boost right before and after a workout to maximize muscle hypertrophy but with only the minimum amount of carbs to minimize fat gain.


This is pretty much what Mark Sisson advocates with his Primal Blueprint program. And for those reasons too. there are so many people successfully following that program it's in the top 20 of lifestyle web sites, or was a year ago.
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If I were to consider doing something like this (sounds like a fun idea and experiment) I'd probably buy BG meter with ketone capability, follow a plan like Atkin 20 to get you quickly into ketoisis, stay there for a while (maybe a week) and then start experimenting with your carb tolerance and ability (time and diet) for the body to get back into your desired level of ketosis. You could also experiment using intermittent fasting to "ride the edge" perhaps.

here's a good video I saw of someone that's into ketoisis and performance here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB7aGnfLB-8

have fun and discover something you can share with us!

PS, I can't answer your original questions about boarder line feeling. I've been in ketosis for a few months now. No reason for me to bounce out yet..
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I'm a healthy 47-yo male (190lbs 5' 11") looking to increase lean muscle mass and decrease body fat (want to go from about 19% down to 15% body fat). I've been eating high protein (180g) 7 days a week. On days I do high intensity resistance training, I eat higher carbs in the 24 hours following (maybe in the 150-200g range) the rest of the time I keep my carbs in the 75-100g range. I've found the carb cycling gives me uneven energy and mood. I'm thinking of going full-time ketogenic, but realistically from a overall lifestyle change, I'm not confident I'll be happy on that type of diet the rest of my life.

I was then considering a TKG Targeted Ketogenic where you eat 25g high glycemic carbs right before workout and right after to give energy for the workout and spike insulin for maximum muscle hypertrophy response and then that fuel gets used up and you quickly return to ketosis in a few hours and continue to stay there.

What about a semi low carb diet where you are in the range of 75-100g daily? I don't have diabetes, am not obese, and I exercise regularly and am in decent health. I know ketogenisis is amazing in making your body primarily run on fat, but again, the diet lifestyle change is a bit of a downer due to the strict restrictions in carb intake (I like a Burritto once in awhile!).

Is being in say the 75-100g carb range daily just going to end up making me low energy and cranky all the time due to low glucose and low liver glycogen when my body isn't in ketosis?

But I know I'll want a burrito or a sandwich once a week. Ocassionally eatting those types of things are going to prevent me from staying in ketosis.

So is a borderline low carb (75-100g) worthwhile, has benefits, little side effects, or is it a no-mans land where the body is confused what you are doing and better to up carbs more into the 100-150g range which still would be considered moderately low carb right?

I suppose what I'm trying to do is still have a varied diet that includes a moderate amount of carbs, but try to keep my insulin levels consistently low and sensitivity high for when I give myself a bit of a boost right before and after a workout to maximize muscle hypertrophy but with only the minimum amount of carbs to minimize fat gain.

What about a little more prolonged TKD. < 40g carbs daily except on training days, add 25g pre workout and add 25g post workout and maybe another 25g 4 hours later for about total 100g on workout days then back to under 40g (workout days are three times a week, 2 resistance, 1 cardio) WIll I yo yo too much and get cranky coming off the 100g carb days going back into ketosis?

Reommendations?

lots of old school lifters did a metabolic diet 2 gain muscle and stay lean google it
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