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Old Mon, Jan-25-16, 14:24
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Default Science Based Medicine.org thoughts?

I was pointed to this website by a friend, this article in particular. It appears on the surface to have the right intent, but I am admittedly highly skeptical when anyone claims anything is science based, especially when it comes to nutrition

I've done a little looking into it but thought I'd see if you, my favorite low carb health nuts had any thoughts on it ( not the LES article, just the SBM site in general, and or Dr Steven Novella

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.or...weight-control/

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but I am admittedly highly skeptical when anyone claims anything is science based, especially when it comes to nutrition
I usually find that people who use "science-based" or "evidence-based" are usually trying to hide something or over-state their "evidence". We expect medicine and science to be based on evidence, not emotion, which is why adding these qualifiers would be redundant in a science or medical report.

But I did check out the site and found it odd that I could not find the credentials and publications of the listed editors and contributors on the site (but did find credentials but few publications on Wikipedia as well as appearances on Dr Oz). As a skeptic myself, I don't join consensus groups, but I enjoy hearing others' ideas.

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The “learning” paradigm is an interesting subset of studies, some of which do show increased weight in rats fed LES vs sugar with a moderately sweetened feed. The authors conclude that there does appear to be an effect here, but the problem is its applicability to humans. The experimental setup is contrived, exposing rats to a food source they are not used to. One hypothesis is that the LES sweetened water may make the food more palatable to the rats, so they consume more.


I suspect that this is more important in humans than he thinks--it might be harder to do these experiments in humans than in rats, and I don't know that it comes down to palatability--but I do know that a big mac and fries with a diet coke would hit the spot--but with water, not as much.



One thing about the learning paradigm--it predicts that sweeteners could be good, bad, or indifferent, depending on how you were exposed to it over time. With food, without food. In place of sugar that you never eat anymore--or replacing sugar sometimes, not others.


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The experimental setup is contrived, exposing rats to a food source they are not used to


This is not quite true, or at least not complete. One study is to feed animals a sugary chow--and the next day, a starchy chow, but with sweetener added so it tastes like the sugary chow. Going back and forth between the two is more fattening than feeding them the one or the other. The same works with potato chips with fake fat the one day, and real fat the next. Is this that unusual an experiment? I remember choking down low fat versions of fatty foods--and then the fatty versions one the weekend, or more frequently, as a treat--as a pretty regular thing, before I went low carb.
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I agree with Deirdre. I think the use of the term "science based" or "evidence based" is suspect. Just because something is called "science" or called "evidence" does not make it good science or good evidence. It still needs to be critically examined and into all critical examinations bias enters. Bias also enters into the design of scientific experiments.
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I'm glad we are all skeptical about this, not just me.
Tooting your own horn that loud is too often used to mask reality
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