This is interesting - this study says that added ketones inhibit cancer tumor growth regardless of glucose levels or amount of calorie restriction.

Abstract:



Free full article - http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/.../ijc.28809/full

So I wonder if supplementing with ketones on a high carb diet would give you the appetite reducing effects of a lC diet.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2923987/



That's added to the food itself, though--sometimes the effect of a supplement is different when it's given in the chow than when it's put in the drinking water.

Hmmm... very interesting! If I should ever get cancer, I'm going to try Dr. Seyfried's diet and probably augment it with coconut oil.

So Ive seen the ketones for sale on offbeat nutrition sites. If I add it to my food I should be good to go on a pastry diet. Hmmmmm...
Every time I have a high carb day it takes about 3 days for my hunger level, energy, attitude and desire for carbs to get back in line with ketosis. It would be worth trying just to see if those symptoms would abate.

The idea of a high carb/high ketone diet makes me a little nervous. Pain-free induction would be pretty cool, though.

Ditttttto!

Wouldn't this be similar to Wahl's protocol? I think she advocates lots and lots of veggies and then supplements with coconut or MCT oil on top of that. Been meaning to read her book.

So I found the ketones I am going to order them and wait until the next time I have an off plan day to see if it makes a difference in how I feel taking them. I will try to remember to post my experience.
I dont know about the wahls protocol. I am not really suggesting a high carb diet with ketones.
If ketones reduce the symptoms of induction they could make the difference on getting back on plan after a without agitation or aggravation.
MCT's are probably helpful too but my tolerance for them is low, Might be worth it to combine them ?

She's still not talking high carb, is she? I had the impression it was more moderate carb. Seventy grams of carbs from veggies, plus mct oil is one thing. The standard American diet plus ketone esters is another. I know nobody here is advocating that.

There are different levels to her diet. The most strict is pretty low carb paleo. You have to eat 6 cups of veggies a day, but they're very low carb ones like kale, collards, etc. I'd bet it is around 30-40g of net carbs.

But the purpose of the diet is for autoimmune/brain issues rather than cancer.

The lead on that study was Dr. Dominic D'Agostino. I've heard of him before in reference to ketogenic diets used for cancer control. Here's a TedX talk he gave. (Whoa, he looks like the Arnold Schwarzenegger of cancer researchers.)

Link

Talk about a CICO paradox. Increasing calories IN decreased body size.

This thread for more on cancer/ketones (reference #10 in the paper above): http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=447278

You should look up Dr. Eades' critique of Wahl's diet. In summary, he proposes that a nutrient-dense diet of meat (especially organ protein), fat, plus some veggies would have hastened Wahl's recovery and even improved it.

I'm not quite sure I understand that criticism. She has very specific recommendations on eating organ meats and lots of them. But she also believes there are nutrients in vegetables that we haven't even discovered yet.

This was the diet that lead to her recovery. You can speculate all you want about what diet would've improved her faster, but it isn't an experiment you can repeat (or should repeat). She makes it very clear that the recommendations she makes are because they worked for her.