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Old Tue, May-06-14, 22:52
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In which case, quite a few of the posters here must be dead. I'm impressed how great they look in their photos!


Jeez. I've died twice I guess, been doing this for 12 years. Should figure out how to upload a photo before my third time in the grave!
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Old Tue, May-06-14, 22:54
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Ahh - ok - I get the money aspect of it. I didn't put the 2 together, but it makes perfect sense. *Gasp* I can't believe that someone would choose to make a profit at the expense of another's well being ***note sarcasm***


Don't forget the pharmaceutical companies that have no interest in you knowing how to heal yourself.
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Old Wed, May-07-14, 06:26
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Counter-point: http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=456041

N=1 vs 23 experimental studies which include hundreds of subjects.

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'I got all the classic symptoms associated with a low-carb diet: dry mouth, tiredness, crankiness and bad breath. But I saw great results - my 8st 7lb weight was much easier to maintain.'

Unbelievably, Emma-Victoria, a creative director in Manchester, stuck to the regime for three punishing years.

The implication is that she suffered all these things for three years. Highly unlikely. Note her own experience below.
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'At restaurants, every meal had to be steak and salad,' she says. 'I'd go to a friend's house for dinner and if they'd made pasta, I'd eat a tiny amount, so as not to be rude, and end up feeling really ill - with chronic bloating and having to dash to the toilet.

And she blames LC? Idjit. Consider the true story. She was fat, and probably sick with all kinds of symptoms, including bloating and bad digestion. She went LC, lost weight, and probably reduced all kinds of symptoms, including bloating and bad digestion. She ate a bit of wheat, and promptly suffered those same symptoms again. When she ate tons of wheat - as we all do - the symptoms were normal, everybody has them, they're chronic and recurrent, it's life as usual. But once she removed wheat, then ate wheat only occasionally, the symptoms were made that much more obvious by comparison. Many here relate the same experience with wheat removal/reintroduction. Doc Davis wrote a whole book on that, called it Wheat Belly, cuz he couldn't call it Remove The Wheat: Get Well - Add The Wheat Back: Get Sick Again.

She got diagnosed with IBS. Of course wheat irritates the bowel. But when you believe wheat is food, you believe the problem lies with the bowel, not the wheat, therefore you call it a syndrome, not poisoning.

I'm tempted to comment on DM. Meh, lazy. Though, I'll point out that the article author is a sensationalism writer. That's all she writes for DM. That's what she wrote here, too. It's all the same old myths, the same old bunk. I'd like to see a list of all those sensational LC articles since Atkins got chastised way back. I bet they all have the same template and content. Mah Kidnees Sploded!
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Old Wed, May-07-14, 06:39
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Don't forget the pharmaceutical companies that have no interest in you knowing how to heal yourself.


Man the whole world is out to keep us fat, sick and lazy. Then they call fat, sick and lazy an epidemic. Sad really....
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Old Wed, May-07-14, 06:46
M Levac M Levac is offline
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Sioned Quirke, of the British Dietetic Association, says she often sees women in her clinical practice consumed with guilt.

'They think they've ruined their diet because they've eaten a slice of bread or a potato but the reality is we need carbohydrates in our diet for energy and fibre to help our bowel function, as well as vitamin  B. If you're lacking vitamin B12, found in many fortified cereals, you can develop anaemia as it helps form red blood cells.

Ignorant RD. B12 is found in animal flesh. If anything, LC cures anemia.
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'Cutting out one food group is a sure way to become ill. Every cell needs glucose, so if you suddenly become depleted in it, you'll begin to suffer lethargy, headaches, cramps, irritability, depression.

'You might have constipation, because of the lack of fibre. The bowel often doesn't recover from a drastic change of diet.

'If you continue the regime for many months, the body starts to take its energy from protein stores in the muscles. So your muscles - including your heart - will be wasting away. Your skin, hair and nails will become thin, dry and flaky.

'I don't think you'd survive for longer than about five years on an extremely low-carb diet.

And this is your "expert" opinion, Mr Registered Dietician? Let me counter your arguments.

Cutting out carbs is a sure way to get well. Every cell needs energy, so if you become depleted in energy, you'll begin to suffer lethargy, headaches, cramps, irritability, depression. All these symptoms can be relieved, cured, and prevented by eating fat.

You might have constipation, because of the lack of fat. The bowel often recovers from a drastic change of diet. Eat fat.

If you continue the regime for many months, the body starts to take its energy from fat stored in fat tissue. So your muscles - including your heart - will be strengthened. Your skin, hair and nails will become thick, shiny and strong. Eat fat.

I think you can survive your entire lifetime on an extremely low-carb diet. Eat fat.

I am Martin Levac, JSG*.


*Just Some Guy
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Old Wed, May-07-14, 07:50
Bonnie OFS Bonnie OFS is offline
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Cutting out carbs is a sure way to get well. Every cell needs energy, so if you become depleted in energy, you'll begin to suffer lethargy, headaches, cramps, irritability, depression. All these symptoms can be relieved, cured, and prevented by eating fat.

You might have constipation, because of the lack of fat. The bowel often recovers from a drastic change of diet. Eat fat.


Amen to that. When I first started LC I didn't eat enough fat & had problems. Now I eat enough, so no problems.

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I am Martin Levac, JSG*.

*Just Some Guy


LOL! Just Some Guy who Knows His Stuff!
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Old Wed, May-07-14, 11:31
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Don't forget the pharmaceutical companies that have no interest in you knowing how to heal yourself.


Oh, absolutely yes! Food/diet based cures are a kiss of death for many pharmaceuticals. What's that ancient quote from Hippocrates...."Let food be your medicine and your medicine be food" !
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Old Thu, May-08-14, 09:13
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I am Martin Levac, JSG*.


*Just Some Guy


Awesome
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Old Thu, May-08-14, 12:11
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And don't forget the food pyramid that was established due to the ideas of Dr. Keyes was based on his studies using manipulated cherry picked data to support his own hypothesis.
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Old Tue, May-20-14, 11:58
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I love cherry-picking. I gladly pick the 'cherries' out of my food because I don't eat that stuff
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Old Tue, Sep-09-14, 17:45
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I saw the other day that someone was promoting a lowfat lowcarb diet. They were uneducated. I think if you are going to adopt a diet you have to study it and do it right. We all know that you have to replace the carbs with fat or it won't work. Besides there will be nothing to stabelize your appetite. That is what they probably did. If you eat nothing but protein you are in trouble.
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Old Fri, Oct-17-14, 09:50
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She decided to finally start eating "normally" again by no longer eating protein and vegetables as the better part of her daily diet?

What in the nine hells could biologically (for an omnivore) be "abnormal" about protein and vegetables?

And I LOVE "punishing" myself at restaurants plenty and then some of beef, chicken or fish and vegetables drizzled with real butter. My husband has promised to take us to the Pinnacle Peak restaurant so I can be punished with their famous steaks. I am looking forward to that terrible, terrible night when we all go out and indulge in a fabulous dinner where I'll love every bite and feel satisfied and non-bloated afterward. Delicious taste, a full but not bloated feeling and feeling 100% the next day, quelle horreur. When will I ever stop?

It really sucks too that on LC, I am able to think and don't have anxiety attacks or feel constantly like I'm going to faint. I should read more articles like this one so I re-learn how great it is to be practically no-functioning, an uninvolved mother (because I can't stand up for that long) and be in the bathroom six times a day. I really miss the horribly itchy-slash-painful rashes all over my body, too.

The article comments that the person was LCing, then she'd eat "just a tiny" serving of pasta at friends' houses so as not to be rude, and immediately would be very sick. And this told her to go back to eating MORE pasta? ETA: Oh, sorry, I see this was already covered on the thread.

p.s. Maybe her hair was falling out because she was eating salads every single lunch and overall, at least from appearances based on the article, eating a low-calorie diet punctuated with periodic pasta. My hair would fall out on that low calorie a diet too. And did, for many, many years.

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Old Fri, Oct-17-14, 10:14
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Jeez. I've died twice I guess, been doing this for 12 years. Should figure out how to upload a photo before my third time in the grave!


Death becomes you! Wonderful stats.
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Old Fri, Oct-17-14, 10:37
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She decided to finally start eating "normally" again by no longer eating protein and vegetables as the better part of her daily diet?

What in the nine hells could biologically (for an omnivore) be "abnormal" about protein and vegetables?

And I LOVE "punishing" myself at restaurants plenty and then some of beef, chicken or fish and vegetables drizzled with real butter. My husband has promised to take us to the Pinnacle Peak restaurant so I can be punished with their famous steaks. I am looking forward to that terrible, terrible night when we all go out and indulge in a fabulous dinner where I'll love every bite and feel satisfied and non-bloated afterward. Delicious taste, a full but not bloated feeling and feeling 100% the next day, quelle horreur. When will I ever stop?

It really sucks too that on LC, I am able to think and don't have anxiety attacks or feel constantly like I'm going to faint. I should read more articles like this one so I re-learn how great it is to be practically no-functioning, an uninvolved mother (because I can't stand up for that long) and be in the bathroom six times a day. I really miss the horribly itchy-slash-painful rashes all over my body, too.

The article comments that the person was LCing, then she'd eat "just a tiny" serving of pasta at friends' houses so as not to be rude, and immediately would be very sick. And this told her to go back to eating MORE pasta?

p.s. Maybe her hair was falling out because she was eating salads every single lunch and overall, at least from appearances based on the article, eating a low-calorie diet punctuated with periodic pasta. My hair would fall out on that low calorie a diet too. And did, for many, many years.

Such a great post deserves quoting in full!

Yes, I totally agree. Please... I've been a bad, bad girl. I will eat this steak for penance.
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Old Fri, Oct-17-14, 13:23
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I didn't want to put this Daily Fail article in the main media forum, but thought others here would be interested in reading this load of old tripe! Lots of great comments below it though, debunking the article!


My mom had an uncle that live independently to 93 years old. He then moved to assisted living. He smoked at least 2 packs a day for 60+ years eventually dying from a car accident at 102?. I guess that means that smoking is not really bad for you after all. It also means that if you smoke you will die in a car accident.

If the SAD way of eating was better for you, most people would be healthy.
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