And what exactly would happen to ALL kept animals, farms, countryside, employment and all the associated industries if we ALL did turn vegan??

Jo xxx

They believe that existing farm animals should just be kept around in safe, humane habitats until their natural deaths and then no more should be bred. I don't think they specifically object to pets, necessarily but we generally try hard to give our pets nice lives and don't eat them. They believe raising animals for food is bad for the environment.

I dont think this would work somehow, regardless of what would happen to the animals themselves, the millions of people who work in supporting industries would be out of work, the land, much of which isnt suitable to grow crops would be.... well either built on or left as waste????..... Maybe they could build more pharmaceutical factories on it - so that there are more supplements/chemicals available to replace those we lose from not eating animals??

hhhmmm, a crazy idea that hasnt been thought thru properly. I'm all for raising animals more humanly and naturally, but to stop it altogether would simply be daft and unachievable IMO

Jo xxx

They would tell you they would find work growing vegetable and grain crops, especially if the farm industry went small and natural/organic. They agree on local produce matters and don't think we would need so many pharm companies if we all went vegan. I agree with your final assessment though, about the illnesses from lack of animal fats and proteins.

I told a vegan that animals actually help reverse desertification by creating and increasing top soil. It's being done in Africa. The response I got: "but you have to feed the animals and it takes 10 times more land and water to feed them." I gave up dealing with the stupidity after that.

I can confirm that. Same story being on rice diet. Very unpleasant.

Yeah, but our pets usually eat OTHER ANIMALS! So meat animals would still need to be raised to feed our cats and dogs. Dogs *might* get along for a while on a diet that included dairy - though not optimally. But they are more omnivorous. But cats are obligate carnivores and have to eat meat! Will they say no cats anymore? And how about dairy animals?

There is a company that made/makes vegan cat food. However, the company has started recommending cats eat meat and stated that if you want to feed your cat a vegan diet they need monitoring by a vet including urinary analysis several times a year. There was a strong implication that most cats would eventually go into renal failure on a vegan diet.
I was appalled. Sounded like a miserable life.

Dogs are onimvores, but they're definitely meat-inclined omnivores, so I think that feeding dogs lentil based vegan dog food is kind of cruel even if it won't kill them. It won't be condusive to optimum health, and it's as unnatural as feeding cows grain-based feed with ground up bonemeal.

A person deciding to be a vegan is fine, but deciding that their carnivorous pet will be is just...I'm sorry, but if you cannot stand the idea of giving money to the meat industry or of animals being killed even to provide pet food you aren't equipped to care for a meateating pet like a cat or dog, and need to get a pet that's naturally a vegetarian like a rabbit, Guinea pig, turtle, etc.

OK, more than a year have passed and I gained more knowledge of Plant Positive channel and website. In short - he moves within the same path as Dr. "China Study" Campbell and Dr. John "Starch" McDougall.

1). He relies heavily on epidemiology and clearly argues that correlations CAN prove causation. This is why he posts so much epidemiological evidence. Just to quote his own words from a YouTube channel:
So, he basically claims that Correlation is not Causation is a fallacy rather than a hard rule of the Scientific Method.

2). He likes to cherry-pick clinical studies from the 1980's and 90's based on test diets with following composition: 30-50% carbohydrates, 30-35% fat and 10-15% protein. I've read a big chunk of these and in very most cases the type of carbohydrates is not specified at all. As Low Carbers, we perfectly know that these diets are nothing more than S.A.D., proven countless times to be sickening.

So, at the end, Plant Positive is perfectly entitled to criticise others. As he points out in his rather huge "Legal Disclaimer" page on his website, = ""The information held on this site is merely the opinion of an individual. ... This information has not been evaluated by the FTC, FDA or any other government agency and that this information is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.""

So, well, personally I am perfectly fine with this, as long as he doesnt't call his doing "Science" since he's openly trashing the Scientific Method.