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Old Tue, Jan-01-13, 21:13
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Plan: Atkins
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Location: Colorado
Lightbulb My theory about why this works better for some people

I think those of us who once did Atkins or PP may have ended up like this:



We may have had a crash in seratonin. Menstrual cycles, stress, small cheats, boredom and loneliness and other health factors may play havoc with the seratonin in our body and make us actually need a few carbs to even things out. yet we also know it is virtually impossible to lose weight without forgoing the sweets and the bread. If we don't eventually find a way to satisfy our needs for more seratonin, I think many of us found it harder to stick with the more restrictive program.

Not to advocate this diet as any sort of weight loss plan, Potatoes not Prozac but the science is eye opening:

http://www.radiantrecovery.com/potato_qna.htm

I would think that the CAD/CALP program would be a happy medium between the low-carb and the seratonin needs many of us have. It would make sense that it would lead to success by simply enabling us to stick to low-carb for a longer time (life!) than the other plans. We win by longevity if nothing else. What do you think?

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Old Sat, Jan-05-13, 10:45
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Plan: CALP & Exercise
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My opinion, CALP is the best!!!
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Old Sat, Jan-05-13, 13:19
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Plan: CALP with Primal Leanings
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Progress: 48%
Location: In the woods
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My opinion, CALP is the best!!!


Yeppers!! Where is that "like" button I can click for your post?
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Old Sat, Jan-05-13, 13:35
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Plan: Primal
Stats: 234/216/170 Female 5'9"
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I really like the idea of CAD/CALP as a maintenance tool. Most evenings include potatoes for me lately, maybe it's just a winter thing!
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Old Wed, Jan-16-13, 09:57
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Plan: CAD
Stats: 300/190.5/133 Female 5'5"
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Location: TN
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I tee-totally agree!!

I LOVE Potatoes not Prozac & CAD & love um both together. I know hard core PnPer's wouldn't agree but for me the low carb breakfast & lunch with carbs at dinner really works.

I also know hard core CADers wouldn't agree with my pure carb snack I eat 3 hours after dinner BUT it really works for me.

SO, yeah, I've combined the two programs and LOVE IT.
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Old Tue, Sep-30-14, 12:20
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Plan: CAD
Stats: 231.6/233.1/199 Female 66 inches
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I know this is a really old post but I totally have to agree with the OP. I started taking serotonin increasing supplements and with my CAD RM in the evening, with plenty of protein first, then my veg then my carbs, I'm sleeping much better, which is a sign that serotonin supply is increased. I think the RM with my supplements is why CAD is feeling so painless for me. Week 4 Day 4 with zero cheats- which for me on regular LC is unheard of...so I'm sticking with my winning formula.
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Old Thu, Jan-29-15, 23:02
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Plan: atkins
Stats: 156/140/120 Female 5:4
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i see these are old posts but im going to try this,,2 low carb/no carb cmmeals in the day and a regular balanced dinner with some carbs,,,,i have tried atkins and the low serotonin sets in very fast,,very irritiated grumoy depressed cant sleep at night and feeling miserable,, this is not the induction flu im talkin about....i think some good carbs at night will keep my neurotransmitters more balanced,,i couldnt live the way i felt on atkins anymore,,,plus i really craved fruits and loads of veggies which i love and need...i have tried plans like south beach and my bodys reaction to plans with regular eating, breakfast snacks, etc, confuses me because whenever i eat breakfast i am more hungry during the day and also very tired,,even if its relative lowcarb,,like forexample an omelet with onions tomatoes ,,half an hour later ill be ready to go to sleep and then ill be hungry an hour later,,atkins controlled my hunger but...the mood was horrible..and couldnt sleep,,,so im going to try this hoping it will work,,im at my wits end
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Old Fri, Jan-30-15, 05:02
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Plan: CALP/CAHHP
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hi-
I feel great on this plan- and it is easy to do and a plan for life. Not many people post here so please come on over to the main thread. We are a small group so it's not a very busy area, but we will try and help.
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Old Fri, Jan-30-15, 07:58
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Plan: CALP with Primal Leanings
Stats: 368/268.1/160 Female 5' 4
BF:toodmnmch
Progress: 48%
Location: In the woods
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Please do come over to the main thread. Fwiw, onions and tomatoes if eaten in more than very limited amount (i.e. up to 1/4 of a tomatoe and only enough onion for a bit of flavor) outside your reward meal (the one meal a day with complex carbs) isn't on the Hellers plans. That kind of sleepiness you describe, used to happen to me all the time when I was gobbling carbs whenever so I know that feeling all too well!

My best advice -choose cad or calp (carbohydrate addicts lifespan program - not just for those 40 and up despite the rest of it's title..lol), and get the book from a used bookstore or the library. Set yourself up with all the info you need to do it so it works
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Old Wed, Apr-26-17, 08:49
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Plan: Atkin
Stats: 315/304/160 Female 5 ft 2 inches
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Progress: 7%
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Moje
I think those of us who once did Atkins or PP may have ended up like this:



We may have had a crash in seratonin. Menstrual cycles, stress, small cheats, boredom and loneliness and other health factors may play havoc with the seratonin in our body and make us actually need a few carbs to even things out. yet we also know it is virtually impossible to lose weight without forgoing the sweets and the bread. If we don't eventually find a way to satisfy our needs for more seratonin, I think many of us found it harder to stick with the more restrictive program.

Not to advocate this diet as any sort of weight loss plan, Potatoes not Prozac but the science is eye opening:

http://www.radiantrecovery.com/potato_qna.htm

I would think that the CAD/CALP program would be a happy medium between the low-carb and the seratonin needs many of us have. It would make sense that it would lead to success by simply enabling us to stick to low-carb for a longer time (life!) than the other plans. We win by longevity if nothing else. What do you think?

I think you are on to something many Thanks.
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Old Wed, Apr-26-17, 14:20
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Plan: Dr. Bernstein, IF
Stats: 200/161/155 Female 68
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Progress: 87%
Location: Southern California
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I do not follow CAD/CALP, so I am not very familiar with it. However, strict LC causes me to have episodes of extreme moodiness, so years ago, another LC'er recommended I read Potatoes Not Prozac. a little pumpkin or potato before bedtime made a huge difference!

Now that I'm diabetic, I don't want those bedtime carbs, so I take 5-HTP (a seratonin precursor) a couple of times a week and get the same affect. I know if I start getting irrationally upset, it's time for some 5-HTP!

So it totally makes sense why some added carbs work well for some people.
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