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Greetings everyone. Me and my girlfriend are new to South Beach and low carb diets in general. We made the switch to SB on Sunday. We were really huge carb freaks to the point where we gave away about 100+ dollars in food from the house when we purged in prep for the change in diet. After only two days we are finding it hard to plan meals but we are getting it slowly (we more than likely should have prepared a little better, but too late to go back now). We came across Dreamfields pasta and were surprised to see how low it claimed the carbs that counted were. Being in phase I I know we should stay away from all pastas, but I also know we don't count carbs like other plans. So I guess they question is how bad is this for a phase I person to eat? It would go a long way to help through phase I since it would at least feel like we are eating pasta even tho it is pretty healthy!

Thanks in advance for your advice!
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Greetings everyone. Me and my girlfriend are new to South Beach and low carb diets in general. We made the switch to SB on Sunday. We were really huge carb freaks to the point where we gave away about 100+ dollars in food from the house when we purged in prep for the change in diet. After only two days we are finding it hard to plan meals but we are getting it slowly (we more than likely should have prepared a little better, but too late to go back now). We came across Dreamfields pasta and were surprised to see how low it claimed the carbs that counted were. Being in phase I I know we should stay away from all pastas, but I also know we don't count carbs like other plans. So I guess they question is how bad is this for a phase I person to eat? It would go a long way to help through phase I since it would at least feel like we are eating pasta even tho it is pretty healthy!

Thanks in advance for your advice!

Hi and welcome!

The short answer to your question is NO....dreamfields is not allowed on phase I. Doing phase I correctly is key...knowing what is acceptable is the only way to do it properly.
The only reason that they call Dreamfields low carb is that it is covered in a starch blocker( inulin). It is made just like any other pasta, wheat flour..and that is strictly not allowed on phase I.

I was just like you when I started out 8 yrs ago, still trying to my pasta fix. Yes, I see it as a drug. I did do my 2 weeks of phase I until I got the 2 weeks right. It took me about 4 weeks to do that as I kept having fruit. Then when in phase II, I did use Dreamfields to get my fix once a month ( strict 2 oz portion) as I transitioned away from it totally. I still have a box that sits on my shelf for the past 3 yrs, unopened.

So, sorry to tell you this but you need to know all the rules. The food lists and meal plan guides for phase I and II, are here for you to use and follow. They are located at the start of our weekly weighin thread.

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SBD Phase I food list and Meal Plan Chart

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SBD Phase I food list
BEEF Lean* cuts, such as:
Bottom Round
Eye of Round
Flank Steak
Ground beef:
Extra lean -- Added
Lean Sirloin -- Added
London Broil
Pastrami, lean
Sirloin Steak
T-bone
Tenderloin (filet mignon) (common name for tenderloin steaks)
Top Loin
Top Round

* Lean meat has, per 100 gram portion, 10 grams or less of total fat and 4.5 grams or less of saturated fat.

POULTRY (SKINLESS)

Cornish hen
Ground breast of chicken
Ground breast of turkey
Low-fat turkey sausage (3-6 grams of fat per 60 gram serving) Removed limit/recommendation: can be eaten as an occasional treat (approximately once/week)
Turkey bacon Removed limit/recommendation: (2 slices per day)
Turkey and chicken breast

SEAFOOD

All types of fish and shellfish Added: (limit those high in mecury and other contaminants such as swordfish, tilefish, shark and albacore/white tuna-use light tuna instead.)
Water-packed tuna and other canned fish
Salmon roe
Sashimi

PORK

Boiled ham
Canadian bacon
Loin Added specifcs of chop or roast
Tenderloin

VEAL

Chop
Cutlet, leg
Top round

LAMB (Remove all visible fat)

Center Cut
Chop
Loin

GAME MEATS (Added new section)
Buffalo
Elk
Ostrich
Venison

LUNCHMEAT

Fat-free or low-fat only
Boiled ham
Deli sliced turkey breast
Steamship roast beef
Smoked ham

MEAT SUBSTITUTES (SOY BASED)

Unless otherwise stated, look for products that have 6 grams of fat or less per 2-3 ounce serving
Soy Bacon - Added
Soy Burger - Added
Soy Chicken unbreaded - Added
Soy hot dogs - Added
Sausage Patties and Links Limit removed: Limit 1 patty or 2 links per day
Seiten
Soy Crumbles - 1/4 cup (2 oz) suggested serving
Tempeh 1/4 cup suggested serving
Tofu All varieties, 1/2 cup suggested serving
Yuba (Bean Curd or Sheet)

CHEESE (FAT-FREE OR LOW-FAT)

Look for varieties that have 6 grams of fat or less/ounce
American
Cheddar
Cottage cheese, 1-2% or fat-free
Feta
Mozzarella
Parmesan
Part-skim Ricotta
Part-skim String
Provolone
Swiss

EGGS

The use of whole eggs is not limited unless otherwise directed by your doctor. Use egg whites and egg substitute as desired.

MILK/DAIRY

(2 cups allowed daily, including yogurt)
Low-fat milk (fat-free and 1%)
Fat-free 1/2 & 1/2 (less than 2 tablespoons)
Low-fat plain, vanilla, or sucralose-containing soy milk (4 grams of fat or less per 8 ounce serving). Be sure the product does not contain high fructose corn syrup
1% or fat-free buttermilk
Fat-free plain yogurt
Greek Yogurt nonfat - Added


BEANS/LEGUMES

(Start with 1/3 - 1/2 cup serving)
Adzuki Beans
Black Beans
Black-eyed peas
Broad Beans
Butter Beans
Cannellini Beans
Chickpeas or Garbanzo
Edamame
Great Northern Beans
Italian Beans
Kidney Beans
Lentils
Lima Beans
Mung Beans
Navy Beans
Pigeon Peas
Pinto Beans
Refried beans fat free canned - Added
Soy Beans (also known as edamame)
Split Peas
White Beans


VEGETABLES

(May use fresh, frozen or canned without added sugar)
Artichokes
Artichoke hearts - Added
Arugula
Asparagus
Broccoli
Broccoli rabe - Added
Broccoli sprouts - Added
Bok Choy
Brussels Sprouts
Cabbage
Capers
Cauliflower
Celery
Chayote
Chicory -
Collard Greens
Cucumbers
Daikon radish - Added
Eggplant
Endive
Escarole - Added
Fennel
Fiddlehead ferns - Added
Garlic
Grape leaves - Added
Green Beans
Hearts of palm
Jicama
Kale
Kohlrabi - Added
Leeks
Lettuce (All varieties)
Mushrooms (All varieties)
Mustard Greens
Nopales - Deleted
Okra
Onions
Parsley
Pepperoncini - Added
Peppers (All varieties)
Pickles - Dill or artificially sweetened
Pimientos - Added
Radicchio
Radishes (All varieties)
Rhubarb
Sauerkraut
Scallions
Sea Vegetables (seaweed, nori)
Shallots - Added
Snap Peas
Snow peas
Spinach
Sprouts
Squash, Spaghetti
Squash, Summer
# Yellow
# Zucchini
Swiss Chard
Tomato
Tomato Juice
Turnip Greens
Vegetable Juice Cocktail
Water Chestnuts
Watercress
Wax Beans
Zucchini


NUTS AND SEEDS

(Limit to one serving per day as specified. Dry roasted recommended.)
Almonds - 15
Brazil Nuts - 4
Cashews - 15
Edamame, dry roasted - 1/4 cup - Added
Filberts -25 - Added
Flax Seed - 3 TBS (1 oz)
Hazelnuts -25 - Added
Macadamia - 8
Peanut Butter, Natural, and other nut butters - 2 TBS
Peanuts, 20 small (May use dry roasted or boiled)
Pecans - 15
Pine Nuts (Pignolia) - 1 ounce
Pistachios - 30
Pumpkin Seeds - 3 TBS (1 oz)
Sesame Seeds - 3 TBS (1 oz)
Soy Nuts - 1/4 cup
Sunflower Seeds - 3 TBS (1 oz)
Walnuts - 15


FATS/OILS

The following monounsaturated oils are recommended to be consumed daily:
Oil, canola
Oil, olive
Other Oil Choices that may be chosen (Polyunsaturated or a blend of Monounsaturated):
Corn
Flax
Grapeseed
Peanut
Safflower
Sesame
Soybean
Sunflower
Other Fat Choices:
Avocado - 1/3 whole = 1 TBS oil
Guacamole - 1/2 cup = 1 TBS oil
Margarine - Chose those that do not contain Trans Fatty Acids such as Fleishmann's Premium Olive Oil or Smart Balance
Mayonnaise - Regular - 1 TBS
Mayonnaise - Low Fat - 2 TBS (avoid varieties made with high fructose corn syrup)
Olives (Green or Ripe) 15 = 1/2 TBS oil
Salad Dressing - 2 TBS. Use those that contain 3 grams of sugar or less per 2 TBS. Best choices contain canola or olive oil. Low carb salad dressings may also be used if they meet these guidelines.


SEASONINGS AND CONDIMENTS

All spices that contain no added sugar
Broth
Coconut Milk -Light - Added
Espresso powder
Extracts (almond, vanilla, or others)
Horseradish sauce
Lemon Juice
Lime Juice
Pepper (black, cayenne, red, white)
Salsa (check labels for added sugar)
Use the following toppings and sauces sparingly (check labels for added sugar and MSG)
Cream Cheese, fat-free or light - 2 TBS
Hot Sauce
Low carb condiments, as long as they meet South Beach guidelines (have no added fat and are sugar-free/contain no added sugar)
Miso - 1/2 TBS
Shoyu - 1/2 TBS
Sour Cream, light and reduced-fat - 2 TBS
Soy Sauce - 1/2 TBS
Steak Sauce - 1/2 TBS
Tamari
Worcestershire Sauce - 1 TBS
Whipped Topping, Light or Fat-Free - 2 TBS

SWEET TREATS (Limit to 75 - 100 calories per day)

Sweet treats are items that contain sugar alcohols, such as:
Candies, hard, sugar-free
Chocolate powder, no-added-sugar
Cocoa powder, baking type
Chocolate syrup sugar free - Added
Fudgsicles, no sugar added
Gelatin, sugar-free
Gum, sugar-free
James and jellies, sugar-free
Popsicles, sugar-free
Syrups, sugar-free
Some Sugar Free Products may be made with sugar alcohols (isomalt, lactitol, mannitol, sorbitol or xylitol) and are permitted on the SBD. They may have associated side effects of GI distress (abdominal pain, diarrhea & gas) if consumed in excessive amounts.


SUGAR SUBSTITUTES

Acesulfame K
Fructose (needs to be counted as Sweet Treats, Caloric Limit)
Nutrasweet (Equal)
Saccharin (Sweet & Low)
Sucralose (Splenda)


BEVERAGES

Decaf Coffee and Tea
Diet, decaffeinated, sugar-free sodas and drinks
Herbal teas (peppermint, chamomile, etc.)
Milk (1% or fat-free) and soymilk (low-fat plain). See MILK/DAIRY.
Sugar-free powdered drink mixes
Vegetable Juice
Tomato Juice - Added
Deleted: Note: caffeinated coffee or diet sodas with caffeine added are allowed, but limited to 1 - 2 servings per day

Phase 1 Foods to Avoid
BEEF
Brisket
Jerky, unless homemade without sugar
Liver
Prime rib
Rib steak
Skirt steak


POULTRY
Chicken, wings and legs
Duck
Goose
Turkey, dark meat (including wings and thighs)


PORK
Bacon
Honey-baked ham
Pork rinds


VEAL
Breast


DAIRY
Ice cream
Milk, 2% or whole
Soymilk, whole
Yogurt, cup-style and frozen


CHEESE
Full-fat

FRUIT
Avoid all fruits and fruit juices on Phase 1.




VEGETABLES
Beets
Carrots
Corn
Green peas
Potatoes, sweet
Potatoes, white
Pumpkin
Squash, winter
Turnips (root)
Yams


STARCHES AND CARBS
Avoid all starchy food in Phase 1, including:

Bread, all types
Cereal, all types
Croutons, all types
Matzo
Oatmeal
Pasta, all types
Pastries and baked goods, all types
Rice, all types


CONDIMENTS
Cocktail sauce
Ketchup


BEVERAGES
Alcohol of any kind, including beer and wine
Fruit juice, all types
Milk, full-fat and 2%
Powdered drink mixes containing sugar
Soda and other drinks containing sugar
Soymilk with more than 4 g fat per 8 oz. serving
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SBD Meal Plan Chart
How To Adapt Your Meal Plan- Phase I


The South Beach Diet? is designed so that you can easily swap meals and ingredients. If you don't like eggs for breakfast, have low-fat cottage cheese or lean meat instead. Not a fish lover? Then choose lean beef or poultry. In Phase 1 of the diet, you can eat as many proteins and vegetables as you like, plus fats like olive oil. Fruit and starches aren't allowed until Phase 2. Here's a look at some general eating guidelines. For specific food choices, check out the Phase 1 Foods to Enjoy & Avoid list.

BREAKFAST
Protein: Quantity is not limited. Start with a 2 oz. portion, eat slowly, go back for seconds if still hungry.

Vegetables: Minimum 1/2 cup or 6-8 oz. tomato or vegetable juice.

Fruit: None

Starch: None

Milk/Dairy: 2 cups allowed daily (including yogurt)

Fat: 1 tsp mayonnaise, trans-free margarine, or oil (optional)



SNACK
Snacks are required. Choose a protein, vegetable, fat-free plain yogurt, or nuts/seeds. A snack that combines protein (1 oz.) and vegetables is encouraged.

LUNCH
Protein: Quantity is not limited. Start with a 3 oz. portion, eat slowly, go back for seconds if still hungry.

Vegetables: Minimum 2 cups.
We encourage you to include a serving of beans (1/3-1/2 cup) as part of your vegetables.


Fruit: None

Starch: None

Milk/Dairy: 2 cups allowed daily (including yogurt)

Fat: 1 Tbsp mayonnaise, trans-free margarine or oil, or 2 Tbsp salad dressing



SNACK
Snacks are required. Choose a protein, vegetable, fat-free plain yogurt, or nuts/seeds. A snack that combines protein (1 oz.) and vegetables is encouraged.

DINNER
Protein: Quantity is not limited. Start with a 3 oz. portion, eat slowly, go back for seconds if still hungry.

Vegetables:Minimum 2 cups.
We encourage you to include a serving of beans (1/3-1/2 cup) as part of your vegetables.

Fruit: None

Starch: None

Milk/Dairy: 2 cups allowed daily (including yogurt)

Fat: 1 Tbsp mayonnaise, trans-free margarine or oil, or 2 Tbsp salad dressing



DESSERT / EVENING SNACK
Desserts are optional. Enjoy some of your Sweet Treat allowance, a dessert, or any of the snack choices.

SWEET TREATS
Sweet Treats are products that contain sugar alcohols. You can enjoy them throughout the day to satisfy your sweet tooth ? just limit yourself to roughly 75 calories worth per day to avoid any GI distress.
See a list of Sweet Treat options here

BEVERAGES
Diet, decaffeinated, sugar-free drinks are not limited. You can enjoy caffeinated coffee or diet sodas with caffeine added, but limit to 1 - 2 servings per day.
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Old Tue, Aug-21-12, 08:04
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i couldn't agree more with judy. i lost most of my weight on south beach. you have to do a correct phase 1 (no grains, no fruit). Then slowly add back in the restricted foods (preferably anything made with flour add last). It's the only way you;ll break the cravings cycle and the only way you'll understand what foods you can and cannot tolerate well (ie., what foods are trigger and binge foods).

Do the plan as written. frankly, you'll likely lose better as well. the bigger the carb addict you are, the more important it is to do a proper phase 1.
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i couldn't agree more with judy. i lost most of my weight on south beach. you have to do a correct phase 1 (no grains, no fruit). Then slowly add back in the restricted foods (preferably anything made with flour add last). It's the only way you;ll break the cravings cycle and the only way you'll understand what foods you can and cannot tolerate well (ie., what foods are trigger and binge foods).

Do the plan as written. frankly, you'll likely lose better as well. the bigger the carb addict you are, the more important it is to do a proper phase 1.

Exactly! Thanks!!
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Oh I agree with doing phase I correctly, hence the reason I was asking if it was allowable or not. I have done much reading but this seemed like a good alternative so I just needed verification. So far we are on day 3 and haven't strayed off yet. I am doing my best to avoid the scale as I really want to step on it already lol
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Oh I agree with doing phase I correctly, hence the reason I was asking if it was allowable or not. I have done much reading but this seemed like a good alternative so I just needed verification. So far we are on day 3 and haven't strayed off yet. I am doing my best to avoid the scale as I really want to step on it already lol

Hi,
OK, good that you asked first then.

If you read the South Beach Diet book and look over the food lists that I put there for you, you'll see that your question raises my curiousity of what your understanding of carbs actually is.
This pasta is made from highly processed white wheat flour....bad stuff! We are taught to avoid it...period!
There is no grain(wheat, oats, barley, millet, corn, rice) product allowed at all in phase I, not ever!
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I understand, it was more one of those "Oh, this only has 5 carbs really, can we get away with it?"

Another thing I am curious about that doesn't appear on many lists, what about those low carb no sugar protein shakes? I looked at some earlier that seemed like they would fit the bill and give us more protein without killing it on carbs.
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I understand, it was more one of those "Oh, this only has 5 carbs really, can we get away with it?"

Another thing I am curious about that doesn't appear on many lists, what about those low carb no sugar protein shakes? I looked at some earlier that seemed like they would fit the bill and give us more protein without killing it on carbs.

There are many no sugar added protein powders that you can buy and make your own shakes. Many find that pre-made shakes aren't the best choice.
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There are many no sugar added protein powders that you can buy and make your own shakes. Many find that pre-made shakes aren't the best choice.


I agree it may not be the best option, but until I can come up with a way to make my own and it taste good, I will settle for some pre-bought stuff for a bit.
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I agree it may not be the best option, but until I can come up with a way to make my own and it taste good, I will settle for some pre-bought stuff for a bit.

Have you looked for recipes here in the kitchen? I just saw a thread with someone looking for recipes for this.
here it is:
http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=445734

There is one there with 1 tbs of a nut butter mixed in with spinach also.....sounds goood to me and phase I legal.
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personally i don't find shakes, either homemade or premade, to hold my hunger the way a meal with protein and veggies does. just a caution if you start to struggle staying on plan with your food and you rely on very many shakes. long term success imo whether it's south beach or atkins or weight watchers (or anything) is moving toward eating "real" whole foods, not shakes or bars or processed or fast food. jmo.
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personally i don't find shakes, either homemade or premade, to hold my hunger the way a meal with protein and veggies does. just a caution if you start to struggle staying on plan with your food and you rely on very many shakes. long term success imo whether it's south beach or atkins or weight watchers (or anything) is moving toward eating "real" whole foods, not shakes or bars or processed or fast food. jmo.



I completely understand and agree. The shakes were less "need to not be hungry" and more "Dear god I need chocolate!!!" type thing. Me and the girlfriend were real big carb junkies who love chocolate and sweets... it shows, we are both over 300lbs. So the first two weeks of this is going to be the hardest, would have been easier if we could have fruit cause we love fruit as well but its a no-no. So I am scouring for things that are low carb and allowable to sort of ease the pain of just stopping cold turkey on the carbs and sweets... I guess you could say like a smoker trying to quit, I am looking for a patch! lol
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I completely understand and agree. The shakes were less "need to not be hungry" and more "Dear god I need chocolate!!!" type thing. Me and the girlfriend were real big carb junkies who love chocolate and sweets... it shows, we are both over 300lbs. So the first two weeks of this is going to be the hardest, would have been easier if we could have fruit cause we love fruit as well but its a no-no. So I am scouring for things that are low carb and allowable to sort of ease the pain of just stopping cold turkey on the carbs and sweets... I guess you could say like a smoker trying to quit, I am looking for a patch! lol

OK, I hear ya on this!
I put the food lists and meal plan charts there for you for a reason.
Did you notice that you are allowed a daily sweet treat as long as its no sugar added?
*Sugar free ice pops are legal
*no sugar added fudgsicles
*sugar free jello
you are allowed up to 125 cals a day in this category.
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my saviour was the no sugar added fudgsicles.
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