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Old Wed, Mar-24-10, 10:26
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Hmmm... Heard this piece on NPR yesterday morning and logged onto my favorite low-carb forum hoping to read the discussion and no one seems to have even mentioned it?

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Substituting certain vegetable oils for the animal fat in your diet is better for the heart than eating no fat at all.

Researchers at the Harvard School of Public Health pooled the data from eight big, careful studies that asked volunteers to replace much of the saturated fat in their diet with polyunsaturated vegetable oil. The results were striking: Simply swapping out about half the bad fat and replacing it with good significantly reduced the risk of heart attack and stroke.

Doctors have been beating the bad fat drum for nearly 60 years. Eating too much saturated fat -- the kind that's in butter, cheese, meat, and palm oil -- clogs your arteries and boosts your risk of heart attack and stroke. And trans-fats, we've learned in recent years, can be even worse.

But Dr. Dariush Mozaffarian, the cardiologist who led the Harvard meta-analysis that's published in current issue of the journal PLoS Medicine, says that in their zeal to rid diets of "fat" many consumers, snack makers, and restaurateurs have loaded their meals with sugar and simple carbohydrates, instead. It's a bad trade-off for the heart.

Even many doctors, Mozaffarian says, have underestimated the benefits of eating polyunsaturated fats -- the sort of fats that are plentiful in oils made from soybeans, peanuts, safflower seeds, and corn. His analysis didn't look at the potential benefits of monounsaturated fats.

In the studies Mozaffarian analyzed, "the groups that had the benefit were getting about 15 percent of their energy from polyunsaturated fats," he says. "That's actually higher than what's currently recommended. So our study suggests that recommendation should be higher."

He has a message for grocery shoppers, as well:

"You can't just look at a product and see that it has low or zero grams of saturated fat, and assume that it's good for you," he says. "Whatever they've used to replace that saturated fat matters, too."


http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/201...right_kind.html
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Old Wed, Mar-24-10, 10:27
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Well, in another 2 decades they'll figure out that omega-6 FA are bad news.

Oh look, Stephen Guyenet just posted on this:

Leave Your Brain at the Door
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Old Wed, Mar-24-10, 11:05
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I read the blog post you mentioned Nancy, and read the comments to Stephan Guyenet's "Leave Your Brain at the Door". One of the commenters to this blog post mentions how the researcher in this study has Unilever in his disclosures.

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Mozaffarian recognizes that sat fats are not associated with a greater risk of heart disease, (he surmises because we have replaced sat fats with refined carbs),
so he cherry picks the studies that will support his point.

I did see the mention of Unilever on his disclosures...hmmm. ~ LynnC, qtd. in the comments of Dr. Stephan Guyenet's "Leave Your Brain at the Door"

Turns out ...

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Unilever is the world's leading manufacturer of margarine

http://www.unilever.com/brands/food...ecel_Flora.aspx
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Ah ha! Good catch!
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Old Wed, Mar-24-10, 11:50
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Substituting certain vegetable oils for the animal fat in your diet is better for the heart than eating no fat at all.

Translation: Animal fat is good, vegetable fat is bad, no fat is worse.

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The results were striking: Simply swapping out about half the bad fat and replacing it with good significantly reduced the risk of heart attack and stroke.

But you just said...

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But Dr. Dariush Mozaffarian, the cardiologist who led the Harvard meta-analysis that's published in current issue of the journal PLoS Medicine, says that in their zeal to rid diets of "fat" many consumers, snack makers, and restaurateurs have loaded their meals with sugar and simple carbohydrates, instead. It's a bad trade-off for the heart.

But you just said...

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In the studies Mozaffarian analyzed, "the groups that had the benefit were getting about 15 percent of their energy from polyunsaturated fats," he says. "That's actually higher than what's currently recommended. So our study suggests that recommendation should be higher."

But you just said...

Is the author's brain deprived of saturated fatty acids or something? First he tells us animal fast is best, then he tells us it's not, then he tells us it's the sugar, then he tells us more bad fat, no wait it's the good fat, no wait...ah I'm very confused. Was that the intent?

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Old Wed, Mar-24-10, 12:13
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Another flawed BS study.

Animal fat rules.
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I think you've misread, Martin. The article consistently says that lowering saturated fats in your diet and replacing them with polyunsaturated vegetable oil (and not sugars or refined carbs) reduces the risk of heart attack and stroke.

"Substituting certain vegetable oils for the animal fat..." means "getting rid of animal fat and replacing it with vegetable oils."

"[I]n their zeal to rid diets of 'fat' many consumers, snack makers, and restaurateurs have loaded their meals with sugar and simple carbohydrates, instead. It's a bad trade-off for the heart." means that the researcher believes that removing fat from food (products) and replacing it with sugar/carb is bad for the heart.
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No see, here's the logic. The statement establishes that no fat is the worst. It also establishes that animal fat is the baseline. Then, it establishes that vegetable fat is better than no fat. But it doesn't establish whether vegetable fat is better or worse than animal fat. I choose to interpret the statement to say that animal fat is best. So you see I did not misread, I simply interpreted the results according to what I know about fats.
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I think you've misread, Martin. The article consistently says that lowering saturated fats in your diet and replacing them with polyunsaturated vegetable oil (and not sugars or refined carbs) reduces the risk of heart attack and stroke.

"Substituting certain vegetable oils for the animal fat..." means "getting rid of animal fat and replacing it with vegetable oils."

"[I]n their zeal to rid diets of 'fat' many consumers, snack makers, and restaurateurs have loaded their meals with sugar and simple carbohydrates, instead. It's a bad trade-off for the heart." means that the researcher believes that removing fat from food (products) and replacing it with sugar/carb is bad for the heart.

The references cited by this study do not even support this study's claims. So it's not even wrong, a complete waste of my time.

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Yes but Unilever is happy.
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Old Thu, Mar-25-10, 12:19
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Default Swapping bad fats for good really does cut heart attack risk

I just found this in the newspaper:

It kind of scared me, but then I read that they recommend safflower oil. Instead of butter???? Geddoutta here.....


British Medical Journal



* BMJ Group, Wednesday 24 March 2010 00.00 GMT
* Article history

Eating less saturated fats in favour of more polyunsaturated fats reduces the risk of heart attacks and other serious problems from heart disease, a new review of studies reports. This is the first review to confirm that changing your diet in this way can cut your risk of heart attacks, although experts have long thought that cutting down on saturated fats improves heart health.
What do we know already?

Coronary heart disease is the most common cause of death for adults in the UK. You get this disease when the arteries that carry blood to your heart become narrowed with fatty deposits. If an artery becomes blocked, this can lead to a heart attack.

We don't know exactly why fatty deposits build up in some people's arteries. But we do know that some things can increase your risk, such as smoking and not taking much exercise. Another key risk factor is eating a lot of saturated fats, which are plentiful in meat, butter, cream, and other dairy products. These fats boost the level of 'bad' cholesterol in your blood, and it's this cholesterol that creates the fatty deposits in your arteries.

To reduce the risk of heart problems, doctors often recommend swapping saturated fats for a healthier kind called polyunsaturated fats, which are found in vegetable oils and fatty fish, such as salmon. Instead of increasing levels of 'bad' cholesterol, these fats can help lower it.

However, not much good-quality research has shown that this dietary approach actually reduces the risk of heart attacks and other serious problems from heart disease. There are also concerns that eating a diet high in polyunsaturated fats might ultimately increase a person's risk of heart problems, and some experts have recommended getting only 5 percent to 10 percent of your total energy from these fats.

In the new review, the researchers addressed these concerns and gaps in the research by looking closely at the best studies on replacing saturated fats with polyunsaturated fats. They also did a meta-analysis, which means they pooled the results of the studies to see what conclusions they could draw from this larger body of research. In all of these studies, people were randomly assigned to replace saturated fats with polyunsaturated fats in their diet, or to make no change. They were then compared over time.
What does the new study say?

People who replaced saturated fats with polyunsaturated fats were 19 percent less likely to have a heart attack or other serious heart problems during the studies than those who didn't change their diet.

On average, people who modified their diet ended up with 15 percent of their total energy coming from polyunsaturated fats, compared with just 5 percent for those who didn't change. The researchers estimated that with each 5 percent increase in polyunsaturated fats, the risk of serious problems from heart disease dropped by 10 percent.

The review included eight studies with more than 13,000 people in total. The studies lasted anywhere from one year to eight years. The researchers found that the longer people were on the modified diet, the lower their risk of serious heart problems.
How reliable are the findings?

This was a well-conducted review, and it provides the best evidence to date that replacing saturated fats with polyunsaturated fats reduces the risk of serious problems from heart disease. The study's findings are also quite similar to estimates drawn from research on polyunsaturated fats, cholesterol levels, and heart disease. This means the findings make sense within a larger research context, which makes them more reliable.

However, the researchers can't say how much of the improvement in risk was due to eating more polyunsaturated fats and how much was due to eating less saturated fats. The review also didn't compare this dietary approach with other options for reducing saturated fats, such as replacing these fats with monounsaturated fats (found in olive oil), carbohydrates, or proteins.
Where does the study come from?

The review was conducted by researchers at Harvard University in Boston and funded by grants from the US National Institutes of Health and the Chicago Community Trust. It was published in the medical journal Public Library of Science.
What does this mean for me?

This review suggests that replacing saturated fats with polyunsaturated fats is an effective way to lower your risk of heart attacks and other serious problems from heart disease.

But bear in mind that this is just one part of keeping your heart healthy and reducing your risk. It's also important to take regular exercise, to not smoke, and to eat a healthy diet with lots of whole grains, fruits and vegetables, and not too much salt.
What should I do now?

If you'd like to cut down on saturated fats by eating more polyunsaturated fats, considered dining on more fish and less red meat. And if you cook with a lot of butter, consider using sunflower oil, safflower oil, or corn (maize) oil. Your doctor or a dietician can provide you with more detailed advice.
From:

Mozaffarian D, Micha R, Wallace S. Effects on coronary heart disease of increasing polyunsaturated fat in place of saturated fat: a systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials. PLoS Medicine. Published online 23 March 2010.

© BMJ Publishing Group Limited ("BMJ Group") 2010
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However, not much good-quality research has shown that this dietary approach actually reduces the risk of heart attacks and other serious problems from heart disease. There are also concerns that eating a diet high in polyunsaturated fats might ultimately increase a person's risk of heart problems, and some experts have recommended getting only 5 percent to 10 percent of your total energy from these fats.

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The review included eight studies with more than 13,000 people in total.


What are they saying here? "Previous evidence that saturated fat causes heart disease, that was all a bunch of crap. This tiny little 13000 subject meta study showing a tiny decrease in heart disease when polyunsaturated fat replaces saturated fat, is all we've got. So we're gonna run with it."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/release...00322211831.htm

Science Daily also covered this study. In the journal references for this story they provide two links. One is the study itself (won't open), another links to the recent metastudy on heart disease and saturated fat intake;


http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/91/3/535


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Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease

Background: A reduction in dietary saturated fat has generally been thought to improve cardiovascular health.

Objective: The objective of this meta-analysis was to summarize the evidence related to the association of dietary saturated fat with risk of coronary heart disease (CHD), stroke, and cardiovascular disease (CVD; CHD inclusive of stroke) in prospective epidemiologic studies.

Design: Twenty-one studies identified by searching MEDLINE and EMBASE databases and secondary referencing qualified for inclusion in this study. A random-effects model was used to derive composite relative risk estimates for CHD, stroke, and CVD.

Results: During 5–23 y of follow-up of 347,747 subjects, 11,006 developed CHD or stroke. Intake of saturated fat was not associated with an increased risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD. The pooled relative risk estimates that compared extreme quantiles of saturated fat intake were 1.07 (95% CI: 0.96, 1.19; P = 0.22) for CHD, 0.81 (95% CI: 0.62, 1.05; P = 0.11) for stroke, and 1.00 (95% CI: 0.89, 1.11; P = 0.95) for CVD. Consideration of age, sex, and study quality did not change the results.

Conclusions: A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD. More data are needed to elucidate whether CVD risks are likely to be influenced by the specific nutrients used to replace saturated fat.
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"You can't just look at a product and see that it has low or zero grams of saturated fat, and assume that it's good for you," he says. "Whatever they've used to replace that saturated fat matters, too."


But we should still buy products, right? I was scared maybe I'd have to switch to actual food.

In this metastudy, after culling, they end up with 13614 people from eight studies, and all they got was a crummy nineteen percent decrease in cardiac events in the poly vs saturated fat groups. That Unilever connection explains a lot.

Of those 13614, 9000 or so were from one study, the Minnesota Coronary Survey. And in that study, the polyunsaturated fat eaters actually fared slightly worse than the saturated fat eaters. But that study served to plump up the numbers, and make the study look more significant to the casual observer.

The next biggest study included was DART. About 2000 in that one. Here's the name of that study;

"Effects of changes in fat, fish, and fibre intakes on death and myocardial reinfarction: diet and reinfarction trial "

This study was about fatty fish intake, not corn oil.

The last six studies only have 2500 or so people left.

The individual studies were weighted. Minnesota was weighted at 18.79 percent, and DART was weighted at 20.60 percent. So about eighty percent of the headcount received about forty percent of the weight.

http://www.plosmedicine.org/article...al.pmed.1000252

That's the actual "study". My eyes are bleeding, what a load of...
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I'll stick with the butter then.......
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