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Default Obesity in America linked to 'liquid Satan' from Iowa corn fields

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November 14, 2009


Obesity in America linked to 'liquid Satan' from Iowa corn fields

The link has not been proven, but the theory is compelling. It suggests that America is doomed to lead the world’s obesity rankings as long as the process by which it elects its presidents starts in Iowa — a state known for its cornfields and corn subsidies.

With a minimum price of $1.90 per bushel of corn guaranteed by the 2007 Farm Bill, activists say that the crop is a guaranteed winner for the farmers of the Midwest — and one of the results is something called super-abundant high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS).

Known to its detractors as “liquid Satan”, HFCS is the sweetener of choice in the vast bulk of fizzy drinks and packaged cakes and biscuits consumed in the US. Its producers have long enjoyed the solid support of the US Senate and most presidential candidates, who gravitate every four years to Iowa to pledge their allegiance to its voters. “Farm subsidies are a third rail of Iowa politics,” a former staffer on Senator John Edwards’s presidential campaign said yesterday. “You don’t touch them.”

President Obama certainly didn’t. As an Illinois Senator and presidential candidate, he consistently backed corn subsidies, on the grounds that they promoted the production of corn-based ethanol and thereby enhanced US energy security.

The 2007 Farm Bill conferred more than $2 billion on Iowa in corn subsidies for 2007 to 2012 — nearly 80 per cent of the state’s subsidies for all crops for the period. Americans’ consumption of corn on the cob has not risen markedly as a result, but their intake of HFCS has been climbing for decades, from 0.6lb per person per year in 1970 to 73.5lb in 2007.

It is sugars that make people put on weight, the paediatrician James Bailes insists. “I used to tell people to eat less fat and exercise more — and none of them lost weight,” he said. “It’s the carbohydrates, the sugary drinks, that do the damage.”
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Old Sat, Nov-14-09, 06:42
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Robert H. Lustig has a detailed lecture online You Tube Video Sugar: The Bitter Truth in which the biochemistry of fructose metabolism is explained. Allow an hour.
A PUBMED search for
Johnson RJ Fructose using the advanced search option
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brings up some detailed scientific papers that explain in even greater detail why we need to be particularly careful about fructose intake and HFCS in particular.
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0.6lb per person per year in 1970 to 73.5lb in 2007.

O mein Gott.
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My comment didn't get passed the moderators.
Can't see why not?
If people don't understand the biochemsitry of fructose metabolism they won't understand why it is so dangerous.
It's Lustig and Johnson that have don't most and those people who are interested should be encouraged to go to the original science and read what is freely available.
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O mein Gott.

And we blame the lack of exercise.
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Old Sat, Nov-14-09, 12:57
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And we blame the lack of exercise.
Any chance someone else could post to the Times Comment section to make the point that there is a lot of research that explains the mechanism why which HFCS is so bad for health.
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Any chance someone else could post to the Times Comment section to make the point that there is a lot of research that explains the mechanism why which HFCS is so bad for health.

Did you include a URL in your post? There may be an anti-spam filter that prevents those kinds of posts. Try again but without any links and see what gives.
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Did you include a URL in your post? There may be an anti-spam filter that prevents those kinds of posts. Try again but without any links and see what gives.
No the links I added for this forum. I just formatted it so the key search words were clear.
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Nephropal on sugar addiction Interesting blog that explains why adaptations that would have benefited paleolithic man are not helpful in a society where HFCS and other sweet calorie laden foods are available not only 24/7 but also 365 days a year.
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The "Fat-Free Fallacy:" Is It Obesity's Great Enabler? Jamie Bailes, MD Had a look for the James Bailes mentioned in the Times Article.
Looks like he's someone who has sussed the truth.
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And we blame the lack of exercise.

You're like a pitt bull.
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And we blame the lack of exercise.


"Personal responsibility."
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"Personal responsibility."
I don't agree.
The state subsidizes the farming of those foods most likely to increase weight.
It is because of State interference that crap food prices are so low. The state could choose to tax those foods that oblige our bodies to store fat and subsidize those foods that are known to be healthy.

Why not subisidize the hill farmers raising grass fed lamb and beef?

Why not stop USA subsidizing corn farming?

Most people, (apart from the readers of this forum) think the advice from places such as the American Heart Association, American Diabetes Association , World Cancer Research Fund would be designed to lead us all to better health.

We should all wake up to the fact that it is the advice that is being promoted by these very organisations that is actually fueling the Heart, cancer and diabetes epidemics.

These organisations knowingly and deliberately are putting into the public domain information that it scientifically inaccurate and they are refusing to accept the truth about the real causes of obesity heart disease and cancer basically because they know that by doing so they will have to accept their own role in increasing the incidence of the disease/condition they claim they are trying to reduce.

It simply is not good enough to blame the victim. Every time you allow these bit organisations to put into the public domain information you know to be deliberately misleading and you don't make a personal rebuttal of that information then you are personally collaborating in the con.

Either you make a personal effort to refute inaccurate or misleading information or you must accept your role in being a silent witness to that misinformation. You cannot expect kids to know how much sugar, HFCS, is in their cereal. I don't think it's reasonable to expect most adults to be aware that something with a heart healthy logo or diabetes friendly label is actually going to promote and increase heart disease or diabetes.

Just look at the advice on WCRF that is knowlingly and deliberately providing information that can and will only increase the incidence of cancer. It is wrong to blame those who get cancer for being a victim in the same way we should not victimise the obese or those with heart disease or diabetes.

It's the health professionals who are knowingly participating in the blatent deception that are the ones I blame.
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Every time you allow these bit organisations to put into the public domain information you know to be deliberately misleading and you don't make a personal rebuttal of that information then you are personally collaborating in the con.

Either you make a personal effort to refute inaccurate or misleading information or you must accept your role in being a silent witness to that misinformation. You cannot expect kids to know how much sugar, HFCS, is in their cereal. I don't think it's reasonable to expect most adults to be aware that something with a heart healthy logo or diabetes friendly label is actually going to promote and increase heart disease or diabetes.

I respectfully disagree. If I don't refute the information provided by the System, it means I don't know any information to refute it with.

But, the simple fact of the matter is, everyone knows that a whole orange is better than an orange beverage flavored with natural and artificial flavors and fortified with isolated Vitamin C and Iron [Sunny D]. Regardless of your personal attitude toward fruit (which is available, naturally, for an extremely short window each year) given the two options, anyone with a functioning brain stem could tell you which is better.

As a child, I had a natural aversion to anything "chemical-y." Added [anything] sends my taste buds (and brain) into a tizzy to the point of migraines. Maybe it's some evolutionary perk that gives me +1 Natural Selection. My children, fortunately, have inherited that. However, I know many children who would reach for Diet Coke before H20, and I blame the parents more than the System.

Why? There are very very few parents who grew up in an all-chemical soup, all the time eating environment. Even people my age - the first generation to arguably grow up with nutrient-fortified everything - are appalled by the insinuation that Lucky Charms and Co-Co Puffs will protect our children from H1N1.

Similarly, people who smoke who say they "never knew." Bull-hockey. Anything that makes you cough when you inhale it should be avoided. Coughing is a natural deterrent. We've simply chosen to ignore evolutionary imperatives to indulge our own desires. And we've done the same with our food. We know that there are better foods than what we eat, and that eating a highly processed diet will, eventually, kill us. We just ignore it in favor of taste and convenience.
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I respectfully disagree. If I don't refute the information provided by the System, it means I don't know any information to refute it with.
Well it doesn't take a lot of effort to learn how to use Pubmed nor does it take much decication to follow blogs such as Eades, Davis, Whole Health Source. Animal Pharm, Nephropal and many others I could mention where the science is discussed in an intelligent and reasonable way.

I think most people simply like to blame the ignorant but are too lazy to make the effort to refute information they know to be contrary to common sense.
I believe you do have sufficient information to make some effort to try to redress the balance and I think it is the failure of people like you to stand up against the authorities that allows them to continue in the way they do. If we all made a stand they would know they couldn't get away with it any longer.

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I blame the parents more than the System.
That is the easy cowardly target. Simple to blame the patient for being ill and stupid much harder to blame those whose deceit has led them to this position.

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We just ignore it in favor of taste and convenience.
Speak for yourself. I think you can do better and I think the more intelligent and articulate readers here should be contributing more to the current state of public opinion by explaining how the "official" information provided in the name of healthy living is in fact contributing to the increased incidence of chronic illness.
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