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Originally Posted by Hellistile
I am beginning to see that I have to eat less protein and am following Dr. J's plan. However, I stay away from bad carbs like wheat, sugar, etc. and stick to those carbs like berries and tomatoes, paleo type fruits and veggies and I still have trouble getting in more than 46 total carbs (today it was 25 net carbs). Just because we increase our carbs by 10 or 20 grams doesn't mean we are vying for a spot in the High carb camp. I am extremely insulin resistant and the lowering of my protein intake seems to be working.
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While I'm not purposely trying to lower my protein intake - I agree with what you're saying, because it echoes my experience too.
If I stick to Paleo acceptable foods, I simply *cannot* get close to even Protein Power Life Plan's 'intervention level' of 40 carbs a day. Never mind the 'net carbs' thing either, still can't go too high in carbs when sticking to Paleo guidelines.
It really irks me (sorry) that people want to ditch the produce, but keep the dairy. Every single plan I've read recommends getting "most" of one's carb intake from lower carb vegetables. Not from other stuff.
I wasn't doing that for a long time. Fear of vegetables. They have carbs...eeeek
You know what? There must be something to this lowering protein a wee bit thing, though I don't like the sounds of going quite so low as the OD plan.
Reason I say this? Well, when I re-read Dr. Atkins Rules of Induction to see why things weren't working (ie. where I was going wrong) the one thing that stood out was that I wasn't getting "most" of my carb intake from induction vegetables. So, I made an effort to do that for awhile - and voila! Suddenly I wasn't eating two chicken breasts, or two helpings of whatever protein I was having. I started losing weight again at a good pace.
This brings up the dreaded 'calories' thing too though doesn't it?
<cue up scary-movie music>
I didn't have to count calories though. Just made sure I was getting most of my carbs from produce. Didn't cut fat or protein. Didn't matter so much how many carbs either - could be 10 grams one day, and 25 the next.
It worked!
If I can just get that happening again, I'll get to goal sooner, rather than later.
I have a very strong tendency to fall back on mostly meat. It happens all the time - I don't feel like chopping up salads, or don't have the right produce on hand. End up eating all meat. Don't lose weight - just sort of maintain. I probably just eat too much.
I just realized something though, in writing this. I think the reason I have this 'thing' about vegetables is because way back when I first started official Atkins induction - the vegetables were something that had to be counted. Monitored. You could eat all the meat and eggs you wanted, but you couldn't 'go over' on the veggies.
I'm not sure this is necessary, looking back. I mean - sure, there should be guidelines/lists as to the better (lower carb) veggies, but this 'don't eat more than x number of cups of vegetables' is probably how I got started on my tendency to fall back on mostly meat all the time. That, and just being lazy I guess. Too much prep work, and the 'counting' and monitoring aspect.
Meanwhile, it's (the counting/monitoring) probably not even needed. Stick to the low-carb veggies, and even the odd serving of very low-carb fruit - and it works just fine.
I think this is one of the reasons I like "Paleo-ish" LC'ing so much. I don't feel like I need to count stuff so much. That's too much like being on a 'diet' and truth be told, I hate that!
If I can't stand having to 'count carbs', I'm certainly not gonna start counting protein grams, fat grams or calories either. So, in this respect I can really see the utility and appeal of a 'zero carb' or all meat diet. Then again, Paleo-ish LC'ing also accomplishes this as well.
So what do these two plans have in common? Funny - there's no gluten, no dairy, no legumes, no peanuts etc. Both the all-meat plan and the Paleo plans remove the most potentially allergenic foods. Both remove any potential 'stall' type foods. Well, they're both 'Paleo' diets, as far as I'm concerned. Both work, though I've personally found that adding in the vegetables works better for me weight-loss wise.
Ok - going back now to read this whole thread. Only read the last couple of entries, so hopefully I'm not replying 'off topic'.