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Old Sat, Apr-11-09, 13:14
absinthian absinthian is offline
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I'm not real familiar w/ either Paleo or Raw diets, but it seems intake wise it would be about the same, (well other than meat, I don't see too many raw meat eaters), and Paleo peeps cook their food. would those be the two main differences?
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Old Sat, Apr-11-09, 13:28
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I eat paleo and I exclude the food in my sig.

Raw eaters may still eat grains, dairy, legumes, tubers, nightshades....

They just don't cook them.
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Old Sat, Apr-11-09, 13:36
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Thanks for getting back to me Tarlach. I can understand the rationale behind most of the foods on your 7 deadly sins list, but I'm curious, why no nightshades? Is it because they are new world foods and were not available to Paleo man?
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Old Sat, Apr-11-09, 14:29
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From this link :

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A particular group of substances in these foods, called alkaloids, can impact nerve-muscle function and digestive function in animals and humans, and may also be able to compromise joint function.


I also do not eat nightshades. Rheumatoid arthritis is prevalent in my family, so I don't want to risk eating those foods.
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Old Sat, Apr-11-09, 14:34
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Why do people get paleo and raw mixed up? Paleo people cook their foods, if they want to. Raw people don't eat paleo foods necessary, and they don't cook their food. They missed out on the memo that humans have cooked food for many, many thousands of years.
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Old Sat, Apr-11-09, 14:35
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Well, there are some raw paleo people..

http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/
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Old Sun, Apr-12-09, 04:02
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Originally Posted by absinthian
Thanks for getting back to me Tarlach. I can understand the rationale behind most of the foods on your 7 deadly sins list, but I'm curious, why no nightshades? Is it because they are new world foods and were not available to Paleo man?


Ab, I dropped all nightshades on the advice of the folks in this forum and saw a stunning improvement in my arthritis (both knees) and my rosacia.

I'll never eat 'em again!
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Old Sun, Apr-12-09, 10:06
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Thanks for getting back to me Tarlach. I can understand the rationale behind most of the foods on your 7 deadly sins list, but I'm curious, why no nightshades? Is it because they are new world foods and were not available to Paleo man?

Yes, that's basically it.
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Old Sun, Apr-12-09, 20:58
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I'm very strict about avoiding tomatoes, but I do have hot peppers occasionally. Recently I found out that tomatoes are quite high in fructose, but peppers are not, so now I feel sort of justified.

At the moment, though, I am aiming for near-zero vegetables. I've never tried that before, so it's a learning experience.

I quite like raw meat, but I like it cooked too. I laugh at people who think I don't get much variety - I have raw beef, cooked beef, beef liver, chicken liver, duck liver, chicken heart, roast chicken, fried chicken, pork roast, pork chops, pork sausage, pork fat, raw fish, cooked fish, cured fish, fish roe, lard... what more variety do you need?
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Old Mon, Apr-13-09, 11:21
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I have a question about the nightshades, peppers specifically. I thought they had medicinal qualities to them especially the hot one like cayenne.
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Old Mon, Apr-13-09, 11:37
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I have a question about the nightshades, peppers specifically. I thought they had medicinal qualities to them especially the hot one like cayenne.


Depending on your definition of "medicinal qualities," they probably do. If "medicinal qualities" means "resembling a medicine," it's broad enough to be accurate.

Some people are sensitive and they seem to cause inflammation. This is true of myself. If inducing inflammation (let's say "mild pyrogenic properties") is what you're looking for, then, yes, they have medicinal qualities.

But seriously though, I'm sure they can be used to benefit in some people; in my case and others it's best to avoid them.
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Old Mon, Apr-13-09, 12:04
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I have a question about the nightshades, peppers specifically. I thought they had medicinal qualities to them especially the hot one like cayenne.

Hot peppers have Vitamin C and magnesium. They have antimicrobial properties too - I'm not sure, but it may be from the capsaicin itself. Not by coincidence, in places where the weather is hot and meat doesn't keep very long, people eat very spicy food.

Unfortunately, while there's been a lot of press about the nutrients in various plant foods, the antinutrients tend to get overlooked. All plant foods have both, and sometimes they are one and the same. Just as with pharmaceuticals, there are side effects and contraindications for medicinal plants.
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Old Mon, Apr-13-09, 12:16
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I quite like raw meat, but I like it cooked too. I laugh at people who think I don't get much variety



I like raw meat as well! I can easily eat an entire 1/4lb burger raw if I don't catch myself (like when I'm dividing up a large package).

NOM!

LOL, on the variety thing. MOST people don;t realise how little variety they actually eat each week. We probably eat a MORE varied diet than the average american!
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Old Mon, Apr-13-09, 13:49
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Thanks for the info, I just happen to love spicy food, cajun, asian, mexican doesn't matter. I think I'm addicted to that sensation when you dip your tuna sashimi in wasabi soy sauce.
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Old Mon, Apr-13-09, 14:26
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Thanks for the info, I just happen to love spicy food, cajun, asian, mexican doesn't matter. I think I'm addicted to that sensation when you dip your tuna sashimi in wasabi soy sauce.

Wasabi is horseradish ... not a nightshade.

It's hard to imagine that paleo people would have eaten horseradish, though. You have to wear gloves to even handle it.
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